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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Focus RS  Reply with quote

So it's very good. Even if it is Autocar, who go weak at the knees for any fast Ford as a rule. We knew that in advance.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...-drives/2016-ford-focus-rs-review

Pity it has to look so completely awful. Like something dreamed up by a teenage employee of Halfords in Lowestoft. I know fast Fords have historically appealed to a more blue collar audience, but does it really have to look quite so McDonald's carpark? I find it a complete turn-off.

The original Focus RS was much more desirable-looking.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it needs to be in a dark colour - I think it would get away with black, but I agree, it doesn't blow my frock up either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair I think it looks a bit more subtle than the last one and is certainly helped in that respect by its five door body as well as the existence of the Civic Type R.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a review on Evo now as well, by Dan Prosser unfortunately.   It's a bit less gushing than the Autocar review (I take all their Ford and JLR reviews with a pinch of salt), but does sound great to drive.   I don't like the sound of the 'contrived engine noises' and I couldn't live with the looks either.

It is good value for money though, makes a lot more sense than spending £40k+ on a hatchback, but if I was buying a batch, my money would go on a Golf R or M135i.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, it doesn't matter how good they are, fast Foci seem to be designed for the knuckle dragging mouth breathers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've posted in my elder brother/younger brother thread that I think it's just about on the right side of acceptable.  Magnetic (dark metallic grey), black forged alloys, no privacy glass, the optional better recaros and the SYNC nav makes it £32,725 OTR and very good value IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Aside from the spoiler?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't look too bad ^  , but it still doesn't do much for me

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the chances of them doing an estate? That would be more appealing to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are the chances of them doing an estate? That would be more appealing to me.


The Golf R and Leon Cupra come as load luggers so you never know.
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Nothing I am aware of.
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I think that the demographics must have changed - either the Burberry Ape has more money than he used to or older versions of him haven't moderated their taste with age.

I think one of the great mysteries of the automotive world is why Audi doesn't try to lure Ford's chassis people away en masse.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love one and I think it looks fantastic. Given how sophisticated the chassis and awd system appears to be, it is unbelievable value for money.

I love the fact it has a proper manual gearbox too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agreed, it doesn't matter how good they are, fast Foci seem to be designed for the knuckle dragging mouth breathers.


Really? More stereotypes?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks amazing value when you consider the spec vs what the RS Megane used to cost; it has come down.

Renault have got to come out with something pretty amazing with the next Megane RS to compete with the Focus.

As for the styling, I find it quite inoffensive when compared to the previous RS and the awful Civic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, rather like the last RS, they should be in bright, lurid colours. I'd rather see it in lime green than black. Again, like the last RS, I don't think I could actually own one but I like the car all the same whenever I see one.

EDIT: Racing, what's wrong with Lowestoft? I've never been. Should I avoid it at all costs?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks much more subtle in design than the last RS (apart from the rear spoiler).

I'm not sure the picture of the black on does the car justice. I think my thoughts are more those of respect than desire but I don't think 350hp, 4wd and those seats are going to be available anywhere else for anything like that price. Great value and well done Ford.

There was a day I would have had one but mot anymore I'm afraid - too far entrenched into middle age!
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The colour palette doesn't give buyers much choice.  I don't like the Nitrous Blue, it's too light.  The car would look much better in the traditional Ford RS blue.

Fix this and I'm definitely with Peet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agreed, it doesn't matter how good they are, fast Foci seem to be designed for the knuckle dragging mouth breathers.


It just looks like a mildly steroidal 5-door hatch to me. Far more understated than the Civic or previous RS.

It would probably be too stiff for me - as I've said elsewhere, my Fiesta ST is right on the limit - but I think it looks quite smart and there's no denying its value for money.
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The colour palette doesn't give buyers much choice.  I don't like the Nitrous Blue, it's too light.  The car would look much better in the traditional Ford RS blue.

Fix this and I'm definitely with Peet.


is this not available then?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that was a promotional colour only, wasn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think that was a promotional colour only, wasn't it?


when did that become a thing?!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The colour palette doesn't give buyers much choice.  I don't like the Nitrous Blue, it's too light.  The car would look much better in the traditional Ford RS blue.

Fix this and I'm definitely with Peet.


It's very limited and very dark. Nitrous is the kind of colour it should be. I'm not so keen on the black. Magnetic is nice but still too dark.
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I think it would look the Yeti's plums in silver and I'd have those forged wheels if they were painted rock metallic and not gloss black.
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I think it would look the Yeti's plums in silver and I'd have those forged wheels if they were painted rock metallic and not gloss black.


Indeed.
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I think, rather like the last RS, they should be in bright, lurid colours. I'd rather see it in lime green than black. Again, like the last RS, I don't think I could actually own one but I like the car all the same whenever I see one.

EDIT: Racing, what's wrong with Lowestoft? I've never been. Should I avoid it at all costs?


You know what people had to say about Luton?  I suspect that's a veritable paradise on Earth in comparison.  We 'won' a free weekend there about fifteen years ago and can confidently assert that I'll never set foot there again.
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PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I think that was a promotional colour only, wasn't it?


when did that become a thing?!


About 20 years ago. Manufacturers started producing early models of new cars in striking colours as a way of getting them to stand out and attract attention when they first hit the roads. The colours may be "Marmite" but they stop the new model getting lost in the clutter on the roads.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I think that was a promotional colour only, wasn't it?


when did that become a thing?!


About 20 years ago. Manufacturers started producing early models of new cars in striking colours as a way of getting them to stand out and attract attention when they first hit the roads. The colours may be "Marmite" but they stop the new model getting lost in the clutter on the roads.


That makes some sense, though it would still work even if that colour was offered longer term. So is the darker blue available for the first customers? (and how exactly does it stand out?   )
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I don't mind the styling really - if you want ultra subtle you can choose a Golf R, this is a little bit more obvious but not OTT.

It's certainly no worse than, say, BMWs current efforts with its mildly 'sporty' cars and their myriad of odd lines and bits of plastic jutting into the airflow (especially around the front bumper/spoiler).
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Tim wrote:
I don't mind the styling really - if you want ultra subtle you can choose a Golf R, this is a little bit more obvious but not OTT.

It's certainly no worse than, say, BMWs current efforts with its mildly 'sporty' cars and their myriad of odd lines and bits of plastic jutting into the airflow (especially around the front bumper/spoiler).


Not to mention this! I detect a whiff of snobbery...

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I'd forgotten those.
They're awful, even the 'standard' non-AMG ones.
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That A45 is awful, but at least you can have it without the worst bodywork additions, for less money too.
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You can but on the few that I've seen the owner has chosen the expensive option.

Really Merc should offer a sticker set that says something like "This small hatch has 325BHP and cost me £50k" just so the owners can really hammer home to the rest of us that it's not the base model  
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For me, stupidly big rear spoiler are right up there with privacy glass as something that adds nothing to the car yet makes it look utterly chavved.

I also suspect that they are the ultimate useless add-on. OK, it might help you at 140mph at the track day, but on the M6, it just looks silly.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I think that was a promotional colour only, wasn't it?


when did that become a thing?!


About 20 years ago. Manufacturers started producing early models of new cars in striking colours as a way of getting them to stand out and attract attention when they first hit the roads. The colours may be "Marmite" but they stop the new model getting lost in the clutter on the roads.


I forget which version, but one of the Mondeos had a bright green launch version. Which was quietly dropped after a few months.
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They did that with the Corsa - a lot of the original Corsa Bs were in Rainbow Blue which was that puke inducing solid purple.
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PhilD wrote:
Not to mention this! I detect a whiff of snobbery...



At no point did I say I liked that either. It's horrible. Worse than the Ford. But you can buy it without the garish bits, at which point it's bloody hard to tell from a normal sport-spec A-class. I'm not aware that's true for the Focus.

And I think 12th has answered the Lowestoft query. It's a complete dive of a place. I picked it firstly because I come from Suffolk and it's better to be rude about where you come from and know rather than somewhere someone else comes from and which perhaps you don't know. I have been to Halfords in Lowestoft. I have seen what is parked outside with mine own eyes. And secondly because East Angular (as a certain Jade Goody once called it) in general is quite renowned for a yoof with dubious taste in modded hatchbacks. When I was younger, the baseball cap backwards brigade in Novas were known as "NFNs". It stands for "Normal for Norfolk"...
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So it's very good. Even if it is Autocar, who go weak at the knees for any fast Ford as a rule. We knew that in advance.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...-drives/2016-ford-focus-rs-review

Pity it has to look so completely awful. Like something dreamed up by a teenage employee of Halfords in Lowestoft. I know fast Fords have historically appealed to a more blue collar audience, but does it really have to look quite so McDonald's carpark? I find it a complete turn-off.

The original Focus RS was much more desirable-looking.


I feel exactly the same about the looks - no matter how well it drives I wouldn't want to drive a car that it looks like a 14 year old's impression of how they want their first car to look. Those kind of bodywork additions are totally at odds with a 5 door hatchback too.

I wonder if you could find someone with a pre-facelift ordinary model (which is a nice looking car and to me the best looking Focus) who would swap all the bits over?

Tim wrote:
It's certainly no worse than, say, BMWs current efforts with its mildly 'sporty' cars and their myriad of odd lines and bits of plastic jutting into the airflow (especially around the front bumper/spoiler).


Couldn't live with one of those either, or a Mercedes A class that reminds me of a low budget 70's 'custom' - Richard Grant Accessories are alive and kicking!
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And I think 12th has answered the Lowestoft query. It's a complete dive of a place. I picked it firstly because I come from Suffolk and it's better to be rude about where you come from and know rather than somewhere someone else comes from and which perhaps you don't know. I have been to Halfords in Lowestoft. I have seen what is parked outside with mine own eyes. And secondly because East Angular (as a certain Jade Goody once called it) in general is quite renowned for a yoof with dubious taste in modded hatchbacks. When I was younger, the baseball cap backwards brigade in Novas were known as "NFNs". It stands for "Normal for Norfolk"...


  I have a good friend who originates from Lowestoft (she has not lived there for many years, as a saving grace) so I was seeking some "ammunition"!
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And lest anybody would think that my moonboots might make exceptions, this also to me has always looked wrong and is, basically, an outrage on a Jaaaag -




Whereas this is beyond cool -


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And I think 12th has answered the Lowestoft query. It's a complete dive of a place. I picked it firstly because I come from Suffolk and it's better to be rude about where you come from and know rather than somewhere someone else comes from and which perhaps you don't know. I have been to Halfords in Lowestoft. I have seen what is parked outside with mine own eyes. And secondly because East Angular (as a certain Jade Goody once called it) in general is quite renowned for a yoof with dubious taste in modded hatchbacks. When I was younger, the baseball cap backwards brigade in Novas were known as "NFNs". It stands for "Normal for Norfolk"...


  I have a good friend who originates from Lowestoft (she has not lived there for many years, as a saving grace) so I was seeking some "ammunition"!


Her only saving grace is that she's not from Yarmouth...
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that car did cross my mind while I was ruminating on this.
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The standard spoiler on the XFR-S is just wrong, the low key one is essential, but the estate looks better still.

Not sure any version is beyond cool though!
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Any Jag is automatically cooler than the competition just by virtue of being a Jaaag!
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Have you been reading Autocar again?  

Don't get me wrong, I do think it's quite cool, especially the estate.
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The standard spoiler on the XFR-S is just wrong, the low key one is essential, but the estate looks better still.

Not sure any version is beyond cool though!


The wheels are pretty vile.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
Martin wrote:
The standard spoiler on the XFR-S is just wrong, the low key one is essential, but the estate looks better still.

Not sure any version is beyond cool though!


The wheels are pretty vile.


+1.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to harbour similar thoughts about the XFR-S's spoiler and wheels but when I drove one it blew my mind and I decided they suited the car's outrageous character very well indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PR wrote:
I used to harbour similar thoughts about the XFR-S's spoiler and wheels but when I drove one it blew my mind and I decided they suited the car's outrageous character very well indeed.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeaks1 wrote:


Aside from the spoiler?


If I were to buy one, I'd probably choose this colour.

Probably prefer an Escort Cosworth without the wing in dark blue

Not sure I need 4wd capability for my driving fun/commuting though

Wouldn't mind getting a test drive in one though - reports seem to suggest it drives pretty well, then again, not many RS' since the S2 RST, Fiesta RST have been below par

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