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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Pirelli tyres  Reply with quote

I'm looking at rear tyres for the 370 and the Pirelli P Zero appears to be on offer at the moment - I can get them for around 180 each whereas Contis, Michelin, etc are all nearer 230.

I haven't had Pirellis since the Alfa in 2006 so does anyone have any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm of the age when if anyone says Pirelli then I automatically think; calendar.

I've had them previously (not P Zeros) and always found them to be a decent tyre. Seems a decent price though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had P Zero's on previous Jags (X Types, XK) and liked them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boxster has them, but they're N spec which I gather have a different sidewall and a softer compound.  They're excellent, super grippy, but the tyre wear is pretty poor (10k miles max for rears), but that will be worse than the std P Zero is they really are softer.  They look like an F1 tyre they have so much grit stuck to them when you park up.

Despite the wear, I'll be buying another pair before the summer wheels go back on.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone

I had the impression from the Alfa that they were really stiff but perhaps the harshness was just a mixture of Fife roads and the Alfa's suspension.

I think I might go ahead and order them.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last ones I had rode well, were fairly quiet and gripped fairly well.  But they didn't give their best when it was colder.  Goodyear Eagle F1s have been better all round and definitely much better in lower temperatures.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....definitely much better in lower temperatures.


That's a consideration after this morning's unrequested slide round a busy roundabout at a cautious 25mph  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how they perform in low temperatures, but I do know that Michelin winter tyres work really well.  Still waiting for some decent snow so I can drive straight past a struggling SUV.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
....definitely much better in lower temperatures.


That's a consideration after this morning's unrequested slide round a busy roundabout at a cautious 25mph


It is a pity that there's no way of trying tyres, other than buying the fuckers.  I'd love to have a go on a few sets and see how different they felt.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:

It is a pity that there's no way of trying tyres, other than buying the fuckers. I'd love to have a go on a few sets and see how different they felt.


Yup. It's annoying that they also seem to suit some cars better than others - Goodyear's original Eagle F1s were great on the Fiat but not as good on the M5, for example.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife has PZero's on her A5 and they seem pretty good but she only gets about 10,000 miles a set and I have never driven it in an exuberant manner. However it has good grip under heavy braking even in the wet.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The P6000s I had on my XJ were lethal, letting go with no notice at all, but I expect they have moved on since then.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Massive difference between P6000s (agree they are lethal) and the P Zero.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had P6000s on my first Stilo and they were awful but someone on here said they were great on Ford Pumas!!
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I had P6000s on my Primera GT and there was nothing wrong with them!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Pirellis on the 440i but they are winters (Sottozeros). Haven't had summer Pirellis in years.
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I had P6000s on my Primera GT and there was nothing wrong with them!


I remember having fitted to my mk3 Golf and on the way home I had to brake sharply on a downhill stretch of road and promptly spun round 180! Never again!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
I had P6000s on my Primera GT and there was nothing wrong with them!


OK on a minicab, then. They were shite on my first MX-5. I very quickly learned about tyre choices when I git that car. Eagle F1s are going on the V60 in the spring.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone in Evo made a comment recently that Pirellis seem to go hard and basically not be a lot of good when they get to around half worn - they had come across this a lot. It may be bollocks. The XFR community seem to prefer them to the more common Dunlop OE fitment, I need a new rear pair and am likely to get the newer version of the Dunlops:

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m63b0s...A_A_NoiseClass%3A_1_Noise%3A_70dB

Since they are well rated and match the fronts (which still have 5mm) tolerably... Pirellis are one I had considered and might go for if I swapped all 4.

I did use P Zero Rossos before and liked them, but they are a very outdated tyre compared to the current crop...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't the Rosso's a more basic version of the P Zero?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rossos and Neros were their premium sports tyres a decade or so ago - the straight "P Zero" was a major improvement and took them from near bottom to top of the tests - when it first came out....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had Rosso and Nero on the 325ti and they did indeed go off halfway through their life. I remember the change to Michelin being a night and day difference although they were louder than the Pirelli.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the same on the Legacy and haven't bought Pirellis since!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the Pirelli website, the top tyre is the Corsa, followed by the P Zero, Rosso, Nero and P7.

Not had a problem with the P Zero going off and I had Rossos on the Passat, I don't remember an issue with those but it was a few years ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, you lot aren't filling me with joy about these  

They've got to be better than the ones on the car - with Mrs Tim driving cautiously on Monday evening we had some turn-in oversteer on one particular corner.

That might be a particularly bad corner though, it's where I've had a few oversteer moments in the 320 on the way out in 4th as the engine comes on-boost.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim wrote:
Great, you lot aren't filling me with joy about these

They've got to be better than the ones on the car - with Mrs Tim driving cautiously on Monday evening we had some turn-in oversteer on one particular corner.

That might be a particularly bad corner though, it's where I've had a few oversteer moments in the 320 on the way out in 4th as the engine comes on-boost.


I've heard good things about the latest Uniroyal's - Rainmaster, or Rainsport or similar, to the point of seriously considering them as the next full set on the Legacy; prices IIRC are a fair bit less than the usual suspects too.
The PilotSport3's it's currently wearing are lasting surprisingly well so far though., so that might be a while off yet!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boxer6 wrote:

I've heard good things about the latest Uniroyal's - Rainmaster, or Rainsport or similar, to the point of seriously considering them as the next full set on the Legacy; prices IIRC are a fair bit less than the usual suspects too.
The PilotSport3's it's currently wearing are lasting surprisingly well so far though., so that might be a while off yet!


I don't care because the Pirellis are ordered    

I don't have a huge choice apparently - the tyres are 275/35 W 19. Uniroyal aren't on any lists I've seen in that size.
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You could have had the new Pilot Sport 4S, but you'd have probably needed to change all 4.

Or the 2016 Evo award winning Advan Sport for a similar price as the P Zero.

You should have asked earlier  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Martin  

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I did try and help answer the question you asked.....
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Tim wrote:
Great, you lot aren't filling me with joy about these

They've got to be better than the ones on the car - with Mrs Tim driving cautiously on Monday evening we had some turn-in oversteer on one particular corner.

That might be a particularly bad corner though, it's where I've had a few oversteer moments in the 320 on the way out in 4th as the engine comes on-boost.


If it's really that bad is it worth considering if the shocks are ok and also worth getting a full Hunter alignment done?
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Tim wrote:
Boxer6 wrote:

I've heard good things about the latest Uniroyal's - Rainmaster, or Rainsport or similar, to the point of seriously considering them as the next full set on the Legacy; prices IIRC are a fair bit less than the usual suspects too.
The PilotSport3's it's currently wearing are lasting surprisingly well so far though., so that might be a while off yet!


I don't care because the Pirellis are ordered

I don't have a huge choice apparently - the tyres are 275/35 W 19. Uniroyal aren't on any lists I've seen in that size.


Well, you will rush into these things before ALL the information has been gathered!

That size seems even rarer than mine of 215/45 W R18. The most common re-fitment on Legacies seems to be 225/40 - not keen though.
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Tim wrote:
Great, you lot aren't filling me with joy about these

They've got to be better than the ones on the car - with Mrs Tim driving cautiously on Monday evening we had some turn-in oversteer on one particular corner.

That might be a particularly bad corner though, it's where I've had a few oversteer moments in the 320 on the way out in 4th as the engine comes on-boost.


If it's really that bad is it worth considering if the shocks are ok and also worth getting a full Hunter alignment done?


It's the poor(ish) tyres mixed with greasy roads that are currently the problem.

I managed to get a small amount of power oversteer, without trying,  on that corner again last night in the 320.
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Before you have the bew tyres fitted you need to go out and ruin the old tyres. I mean properly wreck them, in a smoky, drifty way....

Go on. You know you want to!
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Roadsterstu wrote:
Before you have the bew tyres fitted you need to go out and ruin the old tyres. I mean properly wreck them, in a smoky, drifty way....

Go on. You know you want to!


+1!!    
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Boxer6 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Before you have the bew tyres fitted you need to go out and ruin the old tyres. I mean properly wreck them, in a smoky, drifty way....

Go on. You know you want to!


+1!!


Well, I am only about 20 minutes away from Crail International Raceway (!) which has a drift course plus a lot of wideopen spaces.
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Had an MX-5 OC day at Crail a few years back. The drift oval is good fun. Oiled and wetted so it's easy to slide. The drag strip heading towards the sea is good too - you think you're going to drop off the edge of the cliff.
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Well, I gave the dodgy Jinhu tyres (courtesy of the supplying dealer, not my choice) a decent farewell last night and the Pirellis are getting fitted in about an hour.

One question though. Is tyre smoke carcinogenic?    
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Tim wrote:
Well, I gave the dodgy Jinhu tyres (courtesy of the supplying dealer, not my choice) a decent farewell last night and the Pirellis are getting fitted in about an hour.

One question though. Is tyre smoke carcinogenic?


Yes, unless it's being used by Heston Blumenthal to bring out the piquant flavours of his asbestos wrapped cod and Nox smoked ham.
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Hmmm, I've got too much hair to be Heston Blumenthal so on that basis I've probably shortened my life somewhat  
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The GT3 came on P Zero Corsas, probably because of some well publicised aquaplaning accidents involving early ones on Pilot Sport Cups. I found them excellent in all conditions, and having managed 15000 on the rears*, and still being on the original fronts at the car's unfortunate demise on 27000, they didn't seem to "go off" with age either.

* Just as well as they cost nearly 500 each!
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Tim wrote:
Well, I gave the dodgy Jinhu tyres (courtesy of the supplying dealer, not my choice) a decent farewell last night and the Pirellis are getting fitted in about an hour.

One question though. Is tyre smoke carcinogenic?


This is a tempting course of action when I switch back (which I manifestly failed to do this weekend, not that this week's weather makes that a problem). I have the new rears here, so the old ones might get a smoky farewell - though it's not easy to find a suitable place...
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Alf McQueef wrote:
I have the new rears here, so the old ones might get a smoky farewell - though it's not easy to find a suitable place...


It's easy enough to find a quite stretch for a few straight line efforts I'm told.......

I couldn't go and drift mine as the place is usually locked.

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