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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:01 am    Post subject: OK you Mac experts.....  Reply with quote

Apple Macs, they just work and do everything way better than a PC......

Well not in our house. Mrs PG has had her iMac since 2010. Last week, for no apparent reason it stopped opening various websites (using Safari) and won't allow her to post a new item or share stuff on Facebook (she's [was] a heavy FB user). On FB, she can comment on already open posts and like stuff.

She can open all the sites and use FB fully on my Dell laptop, so it's not her settings on any of these sites.

I've checked / done everything I can think of - clear cookies; reset Safari; delete histroy; checked preferences etc etc. Nothing.  

Any Mac expert any ideas?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you upgraded the OS since 2010? I wonder if a Safari upgrade might be having problems with an earlier OS?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Have you upgraded the OS since 2010? I wonder if a Safari upgrade might be having problems with an earlier OS?


I'm far from an expert, but my 2011 MBP has Yosemite installed and runs fine. I believe some people have had issues with the latest one (?Sierra) but I think that's true for most updates/new programs.

So far, PG has done everything I would have done, so no help here I'm afraid.  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Download Firefox and see if that works better. I've updated mine to the most recent software and the damned thing is crashing all the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've updated mine to the most recent software and the damned thing is crashing all the time.


Same here!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Have you upgraded the OS since 2010? I wonder if a Safari upgrade might be having problems with an earlier OS?


Yep - you get to a point where browsers and everything else connected with internet use gets too far ahead of operating systems.

I have a 2002 Mac that still runs perfectly with all its original software, but hopeless for any internet use.  My iMac running Yosemite runs fine and works fine for all internet use.  Before upgrading your operating system it's always worth investigating whether the software you use is compatible - for instance I have to be careful with operating system updates as they can get ahead of Quark Xpress which is essential for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macs used to be great, but mine annoys me just as much as my old Windows computer did.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our 2005 MacBook G4 still works fine although we rarely try connecting it to the interweb.
Mrs Tim uses it for recording music (badly   )
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a Mac, thank fuck, but I do have an iPad and that fails to work ALL the time. I'm forever having to soft reset the thing. I'd really love to wipe it clean, but have so many long term apps on it that I'm scared to do it in case the back up fails and I have to start everything again.

I'm probably repeating myself here, but I'll never buy anything made by Apple again. Literally the only grief I've ever had with all my Windows PCs has been when I've been using that infuriating heap of shite piece of software called iTunes.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think all these OS updates are just a way of forcing new hardware purchases every 4 or 5 years. My old iphone 4 got sooooo sloooow with the updates until I had to upgrade to an iphone 6.

We have a few ipads around the house which have done the same.

Hopefully the next update will sort some of the problems although inevitably slow it down.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much the way winsoze 10 is evolving to reduce the usability of older hardware/software.  The OS is now a method of forcing new purchase to feed the ever increasing need for increasing year on year profit for the big cats/fat cats of business.  A big con.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least with Windows and presumably Mac OS, you can carry on running an older machine with older software on it for many years until it dies or you get pissed off with it. With Apple's mobile devices they upgrade iOS then the apps get upgraded to suit iOS n.n, so the user is then forced to either run hopelessly outdated apps, by never updating them, or updating both to the point where the hardware grinds away at the pace of a geriatric snail.

I'm using my iPad 3 right now, but I frequently have to shut down and restart the browser just to be able to scroll up and down a web page, let alone do some typing on it. I currently feel rather lucky that I'm able to do that! It cost over £600 when I bought it, was superseded after about 4 months and has gotten slower with every iOS update. If Apple really believe that is going to prompt me to pop out and splash out more money on a new one then they need their fuckin' bumps felt. It's not like I can sell this one to recoup some of the money because A) it's now worthless B) it's now useless and C) whoever bought it would soon realise this and ask for their money back!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs L's iPad 1 still works fine for internet use except YouTube.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
I think all these OS updates are just a way of forcing new hardware purchases every 4 or 5 years. My old iphone 4 got sooooo sloooow with the updates until I had to upgrade to an iphone 6.



It can't be the only reason of course, but it is bloody annoying. I wonder if the incremental release of improved hardware is the real problem. Apple probably already have 2025's Iphone 15 in testing but we won't get to have it until we buy 8, 9, 10 etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
JohnC wrote:
I think all these OS updates are just a way of forcing new hardware purchases every 4 or 5 years. My old iphone 4 got sooooo sloooow with the updates until I had to upgrade to an iphone 6.



It can't be the only reason of course, but it is bloody annoying. I wonder if the incremental release of improved hardware is the real problem. Apple probably already have 2025's Iphone 15 in testing but we won't get to have it until we buy 8, 9, 10 etc.


Of course - isn't that how you would do it if you were in charge of Apple?  No doubt many companies who produce any product operate in this way - just Apple being so big and with an one of their products owned by so many people is the amongst the first to be singled out for being so cynical.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JohnC wrote:
I think all these OS updates are just a way of forcing new hardware purchases every 4 or 5 years. My old iphone 4 got sooooo sloooow with the updates until I had to upgrade to an iphone 6.



It can't be the only reason of course, but it is bloody annoying. I wonder if the incremental release of improved hardware is the real problem. Apple probably already have 2025's Iphone 15 in testing but we won't get to have it until we buy 8, 9, 10 etc.


Of course - isn't that how you would do it if you were in charge of Apple?  No doubt many companies who produce any product operate in this way - just Apple being so big and with an one of their products owned by so many people is the amongst the first to be singled out for being so cynical.


Yes, but it's a balance. For some Apple, particularly with phones, go too far.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TreVoR wrote:
Macs used to be great, but mine annoys me just as much as my old Windows computer did.


Well progress, of sorts.

I put some more memory in it (now has 20gig of RAM), and update the OS to the latest Sierra version.

It worked perfectly for a day and then today, Safari would not load at all as the machine claimed it did not have an internet connection. Which is clearly did. Cue much swearing as nothing looked wrong. After rebooting the router, rebooting the Mac, still nothing. AAgghh... I left it for an hour and when I can back it had come to life.

Now Safari hangs every 20 minutes or so (the dreaded spinning coloured icon appears and just stays there...), but if you open a new window that works fine for 20 minutes then that hangs too. Meanwhile the original one eventually gets its shit together and works  for another 20 minutes.

I'm going to try downloading Chrome later on and see if that is any better.

This is such a pain in the arse....  

On the slowing down all the time thing, my iPad 1 was really slow. But I did find that if I deleted a load of apps, switched off all the notifications, background actions and made sure to close apps fully rather than just leaving them open in the background, and stopping all the background activity that Apple stuff just loves, it did speed up from "terrible" to be "almost acceptable". But I'm not rushing out to but an iPad 3.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try resetting the memory:
https://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/...am-smc-on-your-mac/#.tnw_mGXewyLp

Then get Firefox and remove Safari from the dock (you'll keep on clicking it otherwise).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
Try resetting the memory:
https://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/...am-smc-on-your-mac/#.tnw_mGXewyLp

Then get Firefox and remove Safari from the dock (you'll keep on clicking it otherwise).


Thanks, I'll give that a go. We have a TimeMachine drive so at least we've got backups.

I was going to try Firefox, but recent reviews say that it's not as god as it was. Have you compared firefox and Chrome on your Mac?
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I don't use Chrome because I don't like Google.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks, I'll give that a go. We have a TimeMachine.



When you've sorted your Mac could you go back to early 2014. Mark's Chimaera is running a bit funny and he's just about to pick up the phone and call TVR Power...
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When you've sorted your Mac could you go back to early 2014. Mark's Chimaera is running a bit funny and he's just about to pick up the phone and call TVR Power...


I'll put him on the list. If I'm going back that far, there's quite a few other things I need to sort as well.  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks, I'll give that a go. We have a TimeMachine.



When you've sorted your Mac could you go back to early 2014. Mark's Chimaera is running a bit funny and he's just about to pick up the phone and call TVR Power...


 

My Mac's have no problems whatsoever but there is always the problem that if you don't update the software (far easier on a MAC than PC) then the app's won't like it as developers seem to assume everyone is running the latest version and design for that alone.

I had a problem years ago with a brand new company (not mine) website. Developers sent over the link and none of us good run it. Turns out it needed the latest version of flash (one week ago) which of course none of us had, nor would our customers of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, but you're saying a lack of Facebook is a problem...sounds ideal to me.
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I've doubled up the memory on my iMac to 16GB and it seems to have solved the problem if it crashing.


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