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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: New Fiesta ST  Reply with quote

Awful wheels aside, I can't wait for this

Engine will be brilliant

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How big ARE those wheels?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks bland. The current one looks sharp and purposeful, dare I say attractive for a little hot hatch and interior aside of this new one, which looks fabulous, the exterior doesn't do anything for me. Overly styled massive rear lights and a bland front

Will no doubt be brilliant to drive

New SEAT Ibiza Cupra will be the one I'm looking forward to in that segment
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a pity about the bland rear end but otherwise I think that will be great.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a pity about the bland rear end but otherwise I think that will be great.


It looks like the rear lights should be on a car twice its size.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a pity about the bland rear end but otherwise I think that will be great.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure it'll be great to drive, but its styling is a weird combination of bland and chavtastic. Those wheels are atrocious. Not keen at all
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tail lights on the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Focus and last model Fiesta were great, so why did Ford feel it had to do something less attractive and more boring?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ I agree.  Nonplussed by this new one.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did they go with a triple?  At least SEAT's new 1.5 is a four.

I'm not convinced by 3 pots at all...

Also, will the UK get a five door version this time?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can already get a 5 door ST
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^^^ In the UK?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheels aside, this looks fantastic. Generally, I prefer the look of the new Fiesta compared to the old one. I prefer the tail lights, and the ST bodykit is subtle. I would like to sit in one, because I think it will be a lot nicer than the old Fiesta was, especially with the simpler-looking centre console. Those seats look super comfy as well.

Standard Michelin Pilot Sport 4’s as well…

And if Ogier manages to win the WRC Championship in the new Fiesta, this will have rallying pedigree!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^^^ In the UK?



Yes, but not as an ST-1, only as an ST-2 or 3.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the wheels, a nice change from the snowflake style that everyone seems to have used since 2001.

I don't think I've seen a single 5 door Fiesta ST ever. I don't know why anyone would buy a 5 door when the 3 door looks so much better.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a car that has only really evolved looks wise from the previous model, this one is so much better looking - whereas the proportions were all wrong before now they're all right.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think I've seen a single 5 door Fiesta ST ever. I don't know why anyone would buy a 5 door when the 3 door looks so much better.


Because you need rear doors maybe? Would be better of course if they had hidden door handles.
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I don't think I've seen a single 5 door Fiesta ST ever. I don't know why anyone would buy a 5 door when the 3 door looks so much better.

I've never seen one either, when I was looking last summer they weren't available in the UK at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't remember the date but it was October build onwards ish.

Build a 5 door (Clio, Focus) and everyone laments the lack of 3 door. Build a 3 door and vice versa.
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^^^ It is good to have the choice...

Pre teenage kids I'd have preferred the 3 door, now not so much!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also be concerned about the longevity of a 1.5 pushing 200 bhp.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure it will have been tested a bit.

The 1.0 140ps has been OK. Plenty of 3.0 6's at around 400hp.
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I don't doubt it has been tested. What kind of boost is it running to get that much power?
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I see no reason why it shouldn't prove reliable. I think they will have tested them well enough. It will be more dependent on owners look after them, but that applies to most engines I imagine.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plenty of 3.0 6's at around 400hp.

.... but not in a Fiesta (sadly)  
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You need one of these, Chris. Sensible little 1.5 engine...
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
The tail lights on the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Focus and last model Fiesta were great, so why did Ford feel it had to do something less attractive and more boring?


I always thought the current Fiesta looks a little too narrow and too tall - the rear lights did nothing but highlight this. I prefer this layout personally and overall I think it's an improvement, especially the interior.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also had no idea you could get a 5dr ST.

It looks rather dull but I'm sure it'll drive well. No doubt a 3 will make an interesting noise but worry about the import things in a hot hatch like throttle response from such a downsized engine big turbo combo.
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I always thought the current Fiesta looks a little too narrow and too tall - the rear lights did nothing but highlight this. I prefer this layout personally and overall I think it's an improvement, especially the interior.


I'd agree re the current Fiesta. The front and side views look better on the new one, but I think they've gone to the other extreme at the back. The lights make it look like the rear end from a Kuga or C-Max has been badly welded onto a Fiesta.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
The tail lights on the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Focus and last model Fiesta were great, so why did Ford feel it had to do something less attractive and more boring?


I always thought the current Fiesta looks a little too narrow and too tall


A Ford thing, Ka and Ecosport SUV worst offenders.  Horizontal lights doesn't have to mean boring though.
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I also had no idea you could get a 5dr ST.

It looks rather dull but I'm sure it'll drive well. No doubt a 3 will make an interesting noise but worry about the import things in a hot hatch like throttle response from such a downsized engine big turbo combo.


That.

And fuel economy from a tiny engine that needs beasting.
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PhilD wrote:
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
The tail lights on the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Focus and last model Fiesta were great, so why did Ford feel it had to do something less attractive and more boring?


I always thought the current Fiesta looks a little too narrow and too tall


A Ford thing, Ka and Ecosport SUV worst offenders.  Horizontal lights doesn't have to mean boring though.


They do and the 500 suffers really badly from the same problem, presumably down the the platform sharing rather than by design.
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You need one of these, Chris. Sensible little 1.5 engine...

If only....... 2 things counting against it at the moment;
(1) The new Fiesta is over 4 metres long, making it too large for a predominantly week-end "fun" car that gets taken into town
(2) Younger daughter doesn't want to take GOK off my hands in a year as she doesn't want another Fiesta.  I will shortly post another thread elsewhere about what she now wishes to get as her next car
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It is 7cm longer than your Fiesta. I'm not sure that will make a great deal of difference.
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Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
The tail lights on the Mk 1 and Mk 2 Focus and last model Fiesta were great, so why did Ford feel it had to do something less attractive and more boring?


I always thought the current Fiesta looks a little too narrow and too tall


A Ford thing, Ka and Ecosport SUV worst offenders.  Horizontal lights doesn't have to mean boring though.


They do and the 500 suffers really badly from the same problem, presumably down the the platform sharing rather than by design.


500 hides it much much better.
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Not from the rear.  I was behind one in traffic on Saturday and it looked like it was about to topple over.
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Not from the rear.  I was behind one in traffic on Saturday and it looked like it was about to topple over.


Definitely the worst angle.
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Roadsterstu wrote:
You need one of these, Chris. Sensible little 1.5 engine...

(1) The new Fiesta is over 4 metres long, making it too large for a predominantly week-end "fun" car that gets taken into town


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Roadsterstu wrote:
You need one of these, Chris. Sensible little 1.5 engine...

(1) The new Fiesta is over 4 metres long, making it too large for a predominantly week-end "fun" car that gets taken into town


Why put such arbitrary constraints on yourself? Would 4.01m be too long, but 3.99m ok? What is it about town driving that means the car has to be that small?
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It is 7cm longer than your Fiesta. I'm not sure that will make a great deal of difference.

... but the Fiesta is already somewhat longer then the Ka was.... shortness = usefulness for on-street parking ;-)
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It is 7cm longer than your Fiesta. I'm not sure that will make a great deal of difference.

... but the Fiesta is already somewhat longer then the Ka was.... shortness = usefulness for on-street parking ;-)


Can't imagine you parking on the street, Chris. Surely you'd want a nice covered car park to protect shiny paintwork from the rain and atmospheric pollution?
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Not when I go shopping etc !
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Can't remember the date but it was October build onwards ish.

Build a 5 door (Clio, Focus) and everyone laments the lack of 3 door. Build a 3 door and vice versa.


If the 5 door had been available when I was buying mine in November 2015 I'd have had one - no brainer. Lack of rear doors is one of the few things that keeps my ST from being the perfect do-it-all small car.

Not too keen on the rear of the new one, too SUV-esque for me.
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I like the wheels, a nice change from the snowflake style that everyone seems to have used since 2001.

I don't think I've seen a single 5 door Fiesta ST ever. I don't know why anyone would buy a 5 door when the 3 door looks so much better.


This - I'd go for the better looks every time - only 8 years of my 39 years of driving has been with a 4/5 door car.

Also bear in mind the market I'm sure Ford see for the Fiesta ST is at the younger end - a friend of my daughter was given a 5 door Fiesta when she was about 18 - her take was she was very grateful but it was a 'Granny's car'.


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