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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: 62 points and counting!  Reply with quote

Story on the news today. Nearly 10,000 people with 12+ points and still driving, one person with 62 points!!!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www....k/news/amp/39053658?client=safari

I think the points system can be a little unfair. My mother in law drives 5,000 miles per year on roads close to her home, I drive circa 30,000 miles per year all over the country. We both have 12 points to 'play' with. However, I'm struggling to imagine how anyone can get to 60+ points and still have a legitimate reason for driving!!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, people who have used up their points generally drive like cocks and if they get away with it they will carry on, tough it affects your livelihood, you should have thought about that in the first place.

I've been driving for 20 years, I'm no angel when it comes to speeding, even the odd close amber light, but I know when and where to do it, I've been point free my whole life.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got a NIP for 36mph in 30 zone. Annoying thing is it is pretty much round the corner where I live and I'd seen the speed camera van that Sunday morning, just a momentary lapse of concentration.

I would say these camera van sites are supposed to situated at accident blackspots and in the 13 years we've lived here I've never heard of one incident. It's an excellent revenue generating spot though as it's one of these very wide 30mph roads with housing and pavements set well back from the road with wide grassy verges, giving the impression to all the world it's a 40mph road - which it isn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always struggled with the 'but I'll lose my job!' defence. You are the one who knows that you are speeding, and if you aren't aware of it, perhaps being behind the wheel isn't for you. I'm no angel either, and had three points about 20 years ago as well as a SAC about three years ago, but clearly some people accept being let off at and beyond 12 points as carte blanche.

I can see the need for some sort of compassion, but I wonder what level of fines apply. I also wonder why at 12 points, the magistrate doesn't say something along the lines of 'appear here again with more points and it's tough shit, sonny.'
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above, if driving is so important to your livelihood, committing road traffic offences that jeopardise that is somewhat irresponsible and you should suffer the consequences of your irresponsibility. Getting caught speeding one or twice is one thing but to get to 60 points takes some doing!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had a single point but I am no angel either, well not when I was younger.  I might go a little over a speed limit for a short distance but not significantly and never drink and drive.  The weight of traffic is much higher than when I started driving and I would think this would affect driving style but there are still large numbers driving like 4r5eholes.  Perhaps I am just getting old.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not possible now, to get points for bad parking in some circumstances?

I agree with Twelfth that it should perhaps be one more chance after 12 points if the circumstances warrant it but I also think the 6mth "automatic" ban is a bit severe when you might have received 9 points for a bit of over exuberant overtaking on one occasion and 2 years later whilst sitting in a layby you pick up your phone to see who texted you 10 miles earlier and get done for touching your phone.

If all penalties carried 3 points then fair enough because you have 4 chances but almost everyone I know who has had points over the past year or so has received 6 points, so by the back door, the number of infringements has been reduced as the Courts become less tolerant - one of them was for speeding at 72 or 73 mph just before the start of a dual carriageway. I thought that was very harsh.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
If all penalties carried 3 points then fair enough because you have 4 chances but almost everyone I know who has had points over the past year or so has received 6 points...


I had not realised that. That's pretty sneaky as usual - change the "rules" by the back door.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
If all penalties carried 3 points then fair enough because you have 4 chances but almost everyone I know who has had points over the past year or so has received 6 points..


Is that a Scottish thing?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
JohnC wrote:
If all penalties carried 3 points then fair enough because you have 4 chances but almost everyone I know who has had points over the past year or so has received 6 points..


Is that a Scottish thing?


I've no idea but I would say that there appears to be less tolerance and more Government intrusion.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
Is it not possible now, to get points for bad parking in some circumstances?

I agree with Twelfth that it should perhaps be one more chance after 12 points if the circumstances warrant it but I also think the 6mth "automatic" ban is a bit severe when you might have received 9 points for a bit of over exuberant overtaking on one occasion and 2 years later whilst sitting in a layby you pick up your phone to see who texted you 10 miles earlier and get done for touching your phone.

If all penalties carried 3 points then fair enough because you have 4 chances but almost everyone I know who has had points over the past year or so has received 6 points, so by the back door, the number of infringements has been reduced as the Courts become less tolerant - one of them was for speeding at 72 or 73 mph just before the start of a dual carriageway. I thought that was very harsh.


Why would you get done for picking up your phone whilst parked in a layby? Unless, of course, you decided to just take the points...

Anyway, this points thing is a farce. Quite why it can't be 12 points and you get a ban, with a "special circumstances" plea option that might or might not work, available once and only once.

One of my massive frustrations at work currently is "devolved DVLA powers" in relation to untaxed vehicles. We have to wait 2 months and 1 day before we can have the vehicle lifted.  Why not 14 days or even 28? 2 months and a day. Weird. "Officer, my neighbour has two untaxed cars on the road." "I'm sorry, I can't do anything until the month after next."
This is aside from the fact that DVLA made much of continuous taxation or SORN ir you will get an automatic fine of 1000. Which I have never actually heard of happening. Now they don't do much of their own enforcement they have pushed it back to the police - not exactly flush with their own resources - but hamstrung the police with a nonsensical time limit.


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