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So, where are we?
Solid starter for ten with a clear intention
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 28%  [ 6 ]
I like what I see but I'm not yet convinced
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It all looks a little unrealistic and I'm not really convinced
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We're going to Hell in a Hand Cart
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I certainly think May jumped the gun a bit inviting the Donald over for a State visit. I bet the Queen is highly delighted...


I'm more intrigued by the potential Prince Philip vs Donald Trump dynamic...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the years HM the Q has met all manner of despots and lunatics, not least from within her own government. Trump will just be another one to put in the notebook.

Donnie and Phil will get on like house on fire.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
Mmm. I don't really dig the garb either.

Going back to that petition (the Trump one), it is literally something you can watch grow before you eyes.

If you keep it open on a tab, you can see what I mean. For example in the short time it has taken to write this post, the count has ticked up by over 200...

And over 3,000 just in the last 10 minutes since I first opened it.


Total seems to increase at 5-600 per minute at the moment.  Not that Trump'll be shitting himself, but gratifying nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I certainly think May jumped the gun a bit inviting the Donald over for a State visit. I bet the Queen is highly delighted...


Charles is looking forwards to giving him both barrels apparently.

Pity as I'd rather Phillip did it as he's more likely to do it physically rather than metaphorically.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bob Sacamano wrote:
I certainly think May jumped the gun a bit inviting the Donald over for a State visit. I bet the Queen is highly delighted...


Charles is looking forwards to giving him both barrels apparently.

Pity as I'd rather Phillip did it as he's more likely to do it physically rather than metaphorically.


"I say, Liz! That terrible orange fellow's wearing one of your corgis on his head! Shoot him!"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought it was a fox hat that the Royals preferred ????

Cue old joke......
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I certainly think May jumped the gun a bit inviting the Donald over for a State visit. I bet the Queen is highly delighted...

I agree. I think she should have waited until he had his first 100 days in office.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were talking about this on Radio 4 this morning and nowhere did I hear a decent justification for inviting a new incumbent on a state visit so quickly.

There was a lot of talk about the 'honour' and respect of the invite but I can't apply either of those comments to Trump at present.

Perhaps Trump slipped something gin May's drink or she had a weak moment when he held her hand (another error in my opinion)?

Also, am I alone in feeling slightly uncomfortable and, perhaps, embarrassed when various worthies drone on about the 'special relationship'?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it was one of those "foreigners mistaking English meaning" moments (Racing knows what I mean) where May said: "You really must come over for a state visit" with the underlying meaning being "don't expect to get a formal invite". Some Secret Service man (love the fact that the POTUS is looked after by the SS!) overheard it and a press officer got carried away.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe HMQ will have him thrown into The Tower, tied up in heavy chains secured to the thick stone walls
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Maybe HMQ will have him thrown into The Tower, tied up in heavy chains secured to the thick stone walls


She could just invite him for a private viewing to view the Crown Jewels and then accidentally trigger the alarm, sending it into lock-down with him in there. He'd be happy enough locked in there with all that bling and would the Americans really complain at this point?

That would just leave us with KKK Bannon and Propaganda Barbie to deal with...

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Not sure where all the guff about tarifs comes in to play.  Lots of big European companies want to sell to us from cars to fridges and back again.  If they want to do that they will have to be careful what they do with tarifs as tit for tat will NOT help them.  Common sense should win out over partly political nonsense.  However, as with anything political, we shall have to wait and see.  Planks, the whole lot of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that comes as a surprise but it doesn't change the result either.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
I'm not sure that comes as a surprise but it doesn't change the result either.


Maybe not a surprise, but there has been a backlash against accusations that a bunch of old white racist thickos voted us out. And here's the evidence!
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It doesn't say they were thick, it says they didn't go to university. Also those without qualifications are most likely to be affected by migration, to dismiss them as thick ignores the realities of their lives and why they arrived at the decision to vote leave.
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Does an OU Honours Degree count as "going to university"? If not I must be a thicko then.
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Does an OU Honours Degree count as "going to university"? If not I must be a thicko then.


Did you spend most of the time in the pub and feed yourself with pot noodles? if you did you're safe  
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That was close, I nearly bit on that mighty large hook cast out by Phil.
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Does an OU Honours Degree count as "going to university"? If not I must be a thicko then.


Did you spend most of the time in the pub and feed yourself with pot noodles? if you did you're safe †

Nope. I must be thick then.
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I'm not sure I actually agree with the release of this data, whatever it shows. Isn't it supposed to be a secret ballot? And if you break it down by polling station that's getting quite low down the voting order. I don't think we ever see this data for general elections do we?
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They'd have to suppress number ≤5 but I think all they've done is match the ward data for the referendum to existing demographic data for that geography.
These data are readily accessible.
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So the BBC is suggesting that young people not long out of university are more intelligent than older people who never went (who are also racists). Interesting.
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More intelligent? No I don't think so. More progressive and more open-minded. Probably.
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Have differing values and priorities would be the more even handed way of putting it.
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Have differing values and priorities would be the more even handed way of putting it.


Has the tabloid press been even-handed about Remoaners? I believe Remain voters were all branded traitors...

I'm not saying two wrongs make a right but I fail to see why Remain must always turn the other cheek and desist from calling a spade a spade.
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I agree that two wrongs don't make a right but the fact is we are where we are and blaming the result on the intelligence or vision of others is only going to polarise people's views.
I also think it's getting harder to win people over with reason and fact when the counterargument of 'fake news' is so easily slung. The position of that BBC article makes it more easier for that shit to stick.

That said, it cuts both ways, as you rightly point out. I read a Matthew Paris article on the Speccie that ended with this line:

Quote:
I, a Remainer, accept that Brexit may not prove a mistake. Ballís in your court, Leavers: can you accept that it may?


He has a point.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...-need-some-ladders-to-climb-down/
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He does indeed. Thanks for the article.
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I'm not saying two wrongs make a right but I fail to see why Remain must always turn the other cheek and desist from calling a spade a spade.


Look we've dealt with the racism issue.....
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Don't tar me with that brush!
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I was massively disappointed by the result of the parliamentary vote last week.
If Parliament are going to represent the 'will of the people' then about a third of them should've abstained.

R4 spoke to a female Tory MP from Cambridge who said 74% of her constituents had voted to remain. Sadly I can't remember her name but it'd be interesting to find out how she voted. After all she was happy to accept the electorates decision in May 2015 so did she do the same again for the June 2016 vote?
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Tim wrote:
I was massively disappointed by the result of the parliamentary vote last week.
If Parliament are going to represent the 'will of the people' then about a third of them should've abstained.



According to May's intro to the White Paper the government has:

"The strength and support of 65 million people willing us to make it happen"
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A government alternative fact if ever there was one...
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To be fair, it's carefully drafted so that it could be argued that it says there is strength and support of 65 million people for successful negotiations.
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Brexit means:

A cakewalk compared to what'll happen in France if Marine Le Pen holds any sway.

Just been reading her plans for the Franc, the banks, the rest of the EU. Hope she gets in: my mother will become a multi-millionaire overnight. In Francs.
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Well indeed.
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Oh dear...I fear the cause is now truly lost...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179
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Yes, anything Blair is for is most probably a bad thing. Maybe we are having a lucky escape after all.
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I haven't watched that but it must be bad if Iain Duncan-Smith thinks its arrogant and patronising!
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I haven't watched that but it must be bad if Iain Duncan-Smith thinks its arrogant and patronising!


Ian Duncan-Smith needs euthanizing. It would be for the best, really.
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I haven't watched that but it must be bad if Iain Duncan-Smith thinks its arrogant and patronising!


Ian Duncan-Smith needs euthanizing. It would be for the best, really.


What would be even better would be if I was allowed to do it!      
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Tory Bleuch is just looking for a stage to demonstrate how much we should be needing him.  Sadly for him, like yet another hole in the head.  I noticed the news coverage of his blathering aimed itself at Cheery Bleuch too.  No finer example of self serving ba5tard5 exists.


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