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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Facelifted Mustang  Reply with quote

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Amazing how such small changes can make such a big (negative IMO) impact
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing how so much fuss can be made about nothing  

Seriously, its the same caa.

What is a bit of a shame is the difference between US and UK cars. Those strakes in the US version next to the main headlights are DRLs but just shiny plastic in UK. And in the US the three vertical rear lights are indicators which come on sequentially like some Audis (and Kitt).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Amazing how so much fuss can be made about nothing  

Indeed.....
Having a quick look at the leaked facelift photo and comparing it to the current Mustang photos on Ford's website, the headlights and grille appear unaltered, it's just the lower side intakes/fog lamp area that seems to have changed
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resembles a Jag XJ. Similarly piggy little headlights.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Resembles a Jag XJ. Similarly piggy little headlights.


I can see where you're coming from, there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headlights work well, giving the front of the car a sense of width and presence. That said, the changes seem minor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current Mustang doesn't do it for me anyway - far preferred the looks of the previous one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just me then! The current lights have a slot-eyed scowl of aggression to them, these ones have a droopy sadness to them which fundamentally changes the whole look of the front end for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a huge difference to my eye, but then I'm not a Mustang spotter....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of greater importance - isn't a core part of this facelift an upgrade to the V8 taking it to 500 bhp as standard ?.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have the lights actually changed?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it being facelifted? I'm sure it only came into production last week!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Refresh after a few years is probably right but it didn't really need it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Refresh after a few years is probably right but it didn't really need it.


If it's on the timetable it has to be done. Typical rigid thinking. It is a success as is, it looked fine beforehand. Why did they not just look at it and go "looks fine, we'll leave it".  No, all designers must tinker and over detail everything.
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PhilD wrote:
Refresh after a few years is probably right but it didn't really need it.


If it's on the timetable it has to be done. Typical rigid thinking. It is a success as is, it looked fine beforehand. Why did they not just look at it and go "looks fine, we'll leave it".  No, all designers must tinker and over detail everything.


I very much doubt it's the designers call.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PG wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Refresh after a few years is probably right but it didn't really need it.


If it's on the timetable it has to be done. Typical rigid thinking. It is a success as is, it looked fine beforehand. Why did they not just look at it and go "looks fine, we'll leave it".  No, all designers must tinker and over detail everything.


I very much doubt it's the designers call.


No, but they could just resubmit the original design (maybe change a badge to say they'd done something) and see if anyone noticed  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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......far preferred the looks of the previous one.


Same here, the new one is ok but I would've preferred a right hand drive version of the previous shape one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PhilD wrote:
PG wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Refresh after a few years is probably right but it didn't really need it.


If it's on the timetable it has to be done. Typical rigid thinking. It is a success as is, it looked fine beforehand. Why did they not just look at it and go "looks fine, we'll leave it".  No, all designers must tinker and over detail everything.


I very much doubt it's the designers call.


No, but they could just resubmit the original design (maybe change a badge to say they'd done something) and see if anyone noticed  


If they wanted to do that they'd get a job with Audi or Porsche!  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new lights and grille remind me of the pre-facelifted Dodge Charger. I don't consider that to be a bad thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just me then! The current lights have a slot-eyed scowl of aggression to them, these ones have a droopy sadness to them which fundamentally changes the whole look of the front end for me.


I agree with you, it somehow looks less-well proportioned and a bit melted
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Just me then! The current lights have a slot-eyed scowl of aggression to them, these ones have a droopy sadness to them which fundamentally changes the whole look of the front end for me.
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Did you really need to say that again?!  
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It's keeping him awake at night!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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have the lights actually changed?

From what I have seen on-line, the headlamps remain the same. Bonnet and front bumper have been slightly altered as has the rear bumper.  New rear lights but it seems that they may just be LED versions of the current design
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PhilD wrote:
have the lights actually changed?

From what I have seen on-line, the headlamps remain the same. Bonnet and front bumper have been slightly altered as has the rear bumper.  New rear lights but it seems that they may just be LED versions of the current design


They have changed if you look at before and after front:



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think of the top of the lights as eyebrows (and why not...) they now slope down. Which is a bit odd for a facelift.
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It's like those frowning pieces of plastic that every chav and dubber put on their Mk 3/4 Golf ten years ago
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone buys one, don't crash it.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...es-two-stars-euro-ncap-test-video
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a fan but I'll confess that does put me off a lot.

One thing having a lack of stuff on a classic, different on your daily driver and family car.
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That's really surprising and it's incredibly odd that the US versions have much more safety equipment as standard given that U.K. Safety legislation is much more stringent than in the States. I can only assume this is what helped Ford keep the cost down for the European market so that it looked like a performance bargain, something the Corvette has never quite managed over here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's really surprising and it's incredibly odd that the US versions have much more safety equipment as standard given that U.K. Safety legislation is much more stringent than in the States.


I think it's more than the added bits - the standards in the US crash test are clearly lower as;

"The American muscle car fared badly in frontal offset tests – where the car is impacted 40% off-centre – with its driver and passenger airbags described as “inflating insufficiently to properly restrain occupants”.

In full-width frontal tests, a crash test dummy in the back slid under its seatbelt, increasing the risk of injuries to the abdomen. NCAP said the car’s belt pre-tensioners and load-limiters didn’t work effectively enough."

As noted they probably didn't expect EuroNCAP to test it - I doubt the facelifted car with its extra kit will do much better.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure it will do better FB. The 2* overall is because of the 2* result in active safety (only introduced last year - most older cars without autonomous braking and speed assist would now score much lower than their original scores).

It received 4* for front occupants, 3* for child (which includes ingress and egress of child seat) and 5* for pedestrian impact.

A 5* US car as well.
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It can barely do much worse!

So long as they resolve the ineffectual airbags and stop the rear passenger sliding under the belt it may even look reasonable
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy doesn't sound impressed, though I'm sure it's all for effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vupJqnNyaE
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Bullitt wrote:
It can barely do much worse!

So long as they resolve the ineffectual airbags and stop the rear passenger sliding under the belt it may even look reasonable


The rear seat passenger issue is irrelevant - I couldn't sit behind myself and I'm only 5 ft 7 (on a good day!).
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cbeaks1 wrote:
Pretty sure it will do better FB. The 2* overall is because of the 2* result in active safety (only introduced last year - most older cars without autonomous braking and speed assist would now score much lower than their original scores).

It received 4* for front occupants, 3* for child (which includes ingress and egress of child seat) and 5* for pedestrian impact.

A 5* US car as well.


So it only loses a single star for under-inflating airbags that allow both front occupants to hit their heads on solid bits of the interior?!
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It's all on the website.
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I thought American cars had great airbags because the yanks won't wear seatbelts?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks awful now. At least the pre-facelift looked a little mean, like a Stang should. Phil's post sums it up...before was so much more attractive


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