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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: GC trip report  Reply with quote

Thought I'd report in on my first month with the GC…since I managed to pack nearly 2,800 miles under the (winter) wheels during that time. On 21 December, just 11 days after picking it up and with barely 200 miles on the clock, I set off to my in-laws in Le Marche in central Italy via overnight stops in Verdun and Lugano.  Pretty much motorway the whole way and useful to bed the car in and get used to it. We then spent a week down with my in-laws before heading up to Bormio in the Italian Alps for NYE, which is in the Stelvio National Park. Finally we set off back to London via stops in St Moritz, Zurich and a randomly chosen pretty place called Turckheim near Colmar. Although the Stelvio itself was closed, this gave the opportunity to do no less than four drives on other open mountain passes – the Foscagno Pass twice (to Livigno and back), the Bernina Pass (the best, which takes you from the Valtellina to the Engadin) and the Julier Pass (which takes you out of the Engadin towards Zurich). This was somewhat fettered by having my wife with me, whose tolerance level for spirited passenger rides on twisty mountain roads is disappointingly low! But fun nevertheless.

First things first. This is such a relaxing car to drive compared to its predecessor. I don't recall ever finding the M135i especially unrelaxing, but the 440i is on another level. No, we're not talking Bentley levels of intercontinental ballistic waftiness, but when you just want to travel in Comfort mode with the adaptive suspension in Comfort and the 'box in auto, it really is very smooth and laid-back. If it spoke, I imagine it would sound rather like Leslie Philips… And that was on the 18" winter wheels with Pirelli Sottozeros, which curiously don't ride as nicely as the standard Bridgestone-equipped 19" 442Ms. You can drive for hours on the motorway, as we did, and emerge feeling much fresher than you'd ever expect. That said, it's not the quietest car I've ever been in when it comes to wind and road noise. It's perfectly fine (and better than the 1-series), but nevertheless no Lexus in that respect.

It is surely faster than the M135i. Possibly not by much in absolute terms, but it feels faster, which is what actually really matters. It is perhaps because the performance is much more accessible with the automatic 'box than with the manual, and perhaps because it just gathers speed so effortlessly, but it is much easier to find yourself arriving at a bend rather faster than you were expecting than it ever was in the M135i. Thank God for the bigger MSport brakes that you get with the M Sport Plus pack… The mid-range in eg 4/5th is especially impressive, which shouldn't surprise as, having looked up the figures, they are pretty much a match for an E90 M3. If there is a minor downside, it is that the throttle response is a little lazy on initial pick-up from stationary and in Comfort. And although it sharpens up nicely in Sport, it is never as sharp as the M135i was in Sport, nor a good N/A engine.

On the M135i, I had an MPerformance exhaust fitted after a few months as I found the soundtrack a bit lacking. Nice and all that, compared to say an S3, but nevertheless not quite the full cigar. The 440i really doesn't need one. In fact I think it is beautifully judged in that respect. First off, it's not quiet on start-up and it always idles with enough music to know that it isn't merely packing four-cylinders. When you are just traveling, there's just enough of a suitably upmarket six-cylinder drawl for it to sound interesting. A mild press of the accelerator will release an intriguingly throbbing growl that is less of the turbine whine I associate with BMW straight-sixes and almost more like a small-capacity V8. It's rather good. And then if you go for the full-bore "stamp your foot to dispatch a Belgian caravanner" acceleration, it makes a sufficiently loud and angry snarl that my wife actually commented on how noisy it was. Honestly, it sounds much better than any other turbocharged BMW six I've encountered and much more like BMW sixes used to sound. Full marks on that front.

Talking of stamping feet, the auto 'box is a marvel. You all knew that by now, but I can re-confirm it. In normal mode it just quietly and effectively shuffles around like a particularly discreet butler. If I had one criticism in motorway driving in normal mode, it's that whereas at cruising speed in the M135i, there was never any need to change out of sixth in the manual 'box, you don't have to press the accelerator very far for the car to decide to shift from 8th to 7th, which on balance I'd rather it didn't unless I was really going for it. But I guess that's a result of the gearing and I am being picky. In Sport it sharpens up the changes and hangs on to the gears for longer, again as you would expect. It's always very responsive. I kept it in Sport when ascending and descending the various mountain passes and, at least with the Navigation engaged, you can see that the terrain reading function works well – going downhill in hairpins, the car was very good at sticking to the right gear to allow me not to have to ride the brakes to any degree. That was impressive. So far, I have tended not to use the paddles much because the gearbox is so good at doing its own thing. But I have tried them and they work well. They have a nice tactile metallic finish, are well-weighted and precise and work intuitively – ie the left paddle downshifts and the right paddle upshifts. Moreover, if you give the left paddle a long pull, it will automatically drop multiple gears rather than requiring you to manually flick down through them all one by one. That's a great development.

The 440i is also noticeably more economical than the M135i, no doubt in part due to the eight forward ratios meaning a low rev rate at cruising speed, and also benefits from a larger fuel tank, which combine to give it a much more useful range. 60 litres isn't vast but it's a handy improvement on the miserly 51 litre effort inflicted on the 1-series range. For example the M135i had a cruising range of barely 300 miles, whereas the 440i will easily cover 450 miles, a 50% improvement. It just means on a long trip you don't feel the need to refuel every time you stop to otherwise go to the loo or eat!

It may sound odd to say it, but I am not going to venture much by way of insight into the roadholding or handling for the time being. Around town and just mooching, it has a weightier feel than the M135i and there's less feel to the steering – for instance it doesn't self-centre with the same degree of keenness. You are aware that it is a bigger car. On the motorway and on A-roads, it has fine road manners, feeling grippy, planted and generally secure, and Sport sharpens everything up nicely. On the twistier roads, on winter tyres and with my wife on-board, I did not get close to testing the handling performance. That will have to wait for a solo drive in nicer weather on the normal tyres. But I can sense that this is a car that would do that "shrink around you" trick. It turns in keenly, corners flatly and feels generally alert, and feels more tightly tied-down than the M135i, although the latter was 4 years old. Mine has adaptive suspension and the ride comfort, even notwithstanding the Sottozeros, is very acceptable in Comfort and remains a well-judged compromise in Sport, although it will bump and thump more over cratered tarmac.

Returning to the winter tyres for a second, which are the 18" Pirelli Sottozeros RFTs recommended by BMW. I've not always thought that they were the last word in road noise, grip or handling in normal merely cold and greasy conditions (which I think Piers may agree with). However, we stopped to walk on the frozen lake at the top of the Bernina Pass and it was only after driving into the roadside car park that I realised the surface of the car park was packed snow that had effectively frozen into sheet ice. It was extremely slippery and you had to extremely careful just to walk across it without going arse over tip, so I was pretty worried that I would never get the car out again, especially since the exit involved a slight ramp back up on to the road. Now obviously I took it very gingerly and smoothly but in the end the car simply drove in and out as if it were wearing running spikes. Most impressive. We also found ourselves driving into a snowstorm with settled snow on the motorway near Zurich and the tyres handled it all admirably.

Moving on from the driving experience, the interior is just a nice place to be. No, the design isn't especially interesting and could I'm sure look fairly drab in default UK black leather and silver trim guise. However, adding contrasting leather and coloured trim instantly creates variety and interest, and allows you to appreciate what is a very cleanly and logically laid-out interior. I'm very pleased with the interior colour combination. In addition the fit and finish feels a cut above the 1-series and, as the driver, I feel less hemmed in than I did in the smaller car, which is definitely a plus. The memory electric seats are a particular boon. You can programme up to four separate driver profiles and allocate different profiles to different ignition keys with individual settings for the seats and mirrors (and other things besides), which is handy. Quite entertaining to unlock the car with "my" key after my wife (who is seven inches shorter than me) has been driving using "her" key and watch the driver's seat moving about as if possessed as it adjusts from her driving position to mine. The iDrive 5 also works extremely well these days and the HK audio is a noticeable improvement on the Business speakers that the M135i had. That's not to say that there was any wrong with the Business set-up, which I still think is good for the money. But the HK is clearly better. The only thing I noticed is that although it says Logic 7 in the menu system, it isn't quite the full whammy Logic 7 I had in the M5, which had all manner of configurable settings for the sound that this HK set-up doesn't.

Practicality-wise, the boot is a useful size – I managed to get three suitcases, a 28" flatscreen TV and all the Christmas presents in there without putting the rear seats down. Only the very raked rear screen impacts your ability to cram the boot. And there is a useful cubby under the boot floor which we discovered on the way back is big enough to stash 10 litres of olive oil and 4 bottles of wine. You also quickly learn that in lieu of slamming the boot, the powered boot lid just needs a helping hand to close on a very full boot to avoid it bouncing open again. Luggage apart, what I did discover when giving various aged and overweight relatives a lift was that (a) the car is pretty low and (b) the rear door apertures are pretty small. Nobody complained about the space inside but they did comment that it wasn't easy to get in and out of. Still, my wife and I are neither old nor fat, and in my book people who are getting a lift should count themselves lucky and not complain…so this is not a major issue.

It's also a great-looking car (in my humble opinion). It's not aesthetically perfect (for example the bootlid would benefit from a small gurney flap-type spoiler in my view and it's not as well balanced as the 2dr coupe) but it's nevertheless very nicely low-slung and elegant for something with reasonable 5dr practicality and I think I've got the spec just about right visually. The colour is superb – I wasn't expecting it to be so clearly a dark blue rather than black – and interestingly the gangsta glass at the back, at least to my eyes, helps elongate the side profile and accentuate the frameless doors, making it look longer and lower. Other dark 4GCs I've seen without rear privacy glass can look a little taller and less sleek, particularly the xDrive versions which have a higher ride height that does the shape no favours.

Overall, I'm delighted with it. As noted before, I was a little concerned when I ordered it that it wouldn't feel much different from its predecessor and that it wouldn't feel worth the difference in outlay. But it does in fact feel worthy of the premium. It's much better-looking and more grown-up, comfortable, practical and luxurious in exactly all the ways I wanted it to be, whilst still being retaining the M135i's turn of speed and driving enjoyment, and sounding even better. Not that I especially care, but there seems to be no mechanical rationale as to why the M135i gets the MPerformance label and the 440i doesn't get to be an M440i. There is after all no M4 GC, so an M440i GC would make sense and probably boost sales. I thought I would miss the M135i after 4 years, but the best testimony I can give the new car is that I don't miss the M135i nearly as much as I thought I would.












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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do agree it's a very good looking car, and it clearly feels very good too!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellently written. You seem very pleased and after reading that I'm not surprised. Seems ideal for your needs and it is a good looking car.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: GC trip report Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
....And there is a useful cubby under the boot floor which we discovered on the way back is big enough to stash 10 litres of olive oil and 4 bottles of wine.....]


Surely that's the wrong way round? 10 litres of wine and 4 bottles of olive oil sounds far more sensible use of the space  

Good write up and glad that it is everything that you wanted it to be. You'll never go back to a manual box now - welcome to the sensible side.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice write up. I too think the adaptive suspension gives a good all round ride in comfort but it could do with sharper throttle response. My old car which had the 6 speed box and didn't have any settings for suspension or engine felt like it was always on edge and ready to go. A small prod of the loud pedal and it was gone.

I think BMW have spoiled the cars a little bit because in comfort the throttle is a bit too soft if you want to take immediate advantage of overtaking opportunities but in Sport, you are holding on to gears longer than you might otherwise want and it is less relaxing than the old "standard" was. All it needs is the option to have the Sport throttle setting with the Comfort gearbox and suspension settings.

It is a great car to munch miles with though and when you get to push it a bit you will find the grip levels very high. It is a car which likes flowing more than being hussled but it flows very quickly indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: GC trip report Reply with quote

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Racing Teatray wrote:
....And there is a useful cubby under the boot floor which we discovered on the way back is big enough to stash 10 litres of olive oil and 4 bottles of wine.....]


Surely that's the wrong way round? 10 litres of wine and 4 bottles of olive oil sounds far more sensible use of the space  

Good write up and glad that it is everything that you wanted it to be. You'll never go back to a manual box now - welcome to the sensible side.


You make the mistake of assuming that's all there was...! In fact there were another couple of cases of assorted plonk/fizz in the car. It was just that the two five litre tins of olive oil fitted particularly well in the cubby and then I slotted some loose bottles in around them...
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I thought of your car yesterday when I saw a 140 parked up.  Glad you're enjoying it.
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Good write up. Lovely car and it sounds like it fits the bill, however...

is there still a "something daft" itch that needs scratching?? Where has the Racing of drop down doors and V10s gone?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're enjoying it then? Looks fabulous and sounds like a proper grown-up car you can also have fun in.

I agree the gearbox changes up and down like a cheap whore's drawers but I only know this if I look at the gear display: I generally find the gear changes imperceptible unless I've hit kickdown (when gearchanges in mine retard the ignition to save the drivetrain being torn apart!). My gearbox is programmed the Alpina way but Sport and Sport+ in the Adaptive Drive make it feel like a completely different car. I've almost never used Comfort, preferring Normal 90% of the time and Sport the rest.

I also have a wife that is less than keen on enthusiastic driving so every opportunity I get alone in it turns into a 7mpg fuel-frenzy. Glad it's not just me that looks forward to being alone in the family car.
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PhilD wrote:
Good write up. Lovely car and it sounds like it fits the bill, however...

is there still a "something daft" itch that needs scratching?? Where has the Racing of drop down doors and V10s gone?


It's called marriage. And I'm glad I had them when I could!

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I've almost never used Comfort, preferring Normal 90% of the time and Sport the rest.


Mine has only Eco Pro, Comfort, Sport and Sport+. So I assume Comfort = Normal. That's what it starts in by default.
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Possibly because mine is older so had different naming conventions. Martin will be along soon to tell us
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible that normal may be the same as Comfort+ which is not an option without VDC (Variable Damper Control) on the 4/6GC

Perhaps you have that on the Alpina but with a different naming convention
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Possible that normal may be the same as Comfort+ which is not an option without VDC (Variable Damper Control) on the 4/6GC

Perhaps you have that on the Alpina but with a different naming convention


I have the optional Adaptive Suspension on the GC. There is no other optional suspension upgrade.
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I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!

Really good looking car, excellent spec.
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I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Who have you buried in there ???
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Who have you buried in there ???


Settle down - you're still posting aren't ya?
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Clunes wrote:
Possible that normal may be the same as Comfort+ which is not an option without VDC (Variable Damper Control) on the 4/6GC

Perhaps you have that on the Alpina but with a different naming convention


I have the optional Adaptive Suspension on the GC. There is no other optional suspension upgrade.


I think the Alpina is an Alpina-ised take on the BMW system. My suspension is different for a start as is the programming of the gearbox.
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Possibly because mine is older so had different naming conventions. Martin will be along soon to tell us


Correct, just a change of name.  

Although the older models don't have the full eco tech eg coasting, so there is a difference.

The B5 gets full on Adaptive drive, which is available on the standard car, but Alpina have tweaked it.  The D5 gets VDC, also available on the standard car, but it's just adaptive dampers, not adaptive anti roll bars as well.

Back on topic.... pleased to hear you're enjoying the 440i, sounds pretty much perfect for you.

I don't drive any differently when Lindsay is in the car.
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Nice write up and a great car.

As has been posted on other threads, a 5 door modern Rover SD1 would be a great car and I think the 4GC/A5/A7 are just that.

Interesting your comment on the rear door access, I noticed that on the A5/A7's I looked at and figure (as per John C's post) that if you were regularly carrying full size rear passengers it could get wearing. My old S60 has similarly swoopy rear access and on many occassion I caught the boys heads on the rear pillar when putting them in baby seats.

I used to say the 3 series Coupe was probably one of the best real world cars that existed. Making it a 5 door hatch/coupe has made the 4 series GC even better.

I'm sure the 6GC is a nicer car in many ways but unless you've got an estate elsewhere in the fleet the flexibility of the 4GC makes it a better prospect IMHO.
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the gc models are the best looking cars BMW make imo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?
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Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


That comes with the storage pack I think
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


There's a bar?? These Germans think of everything!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


There's a bar?? These Germans think of everything!


That's part of the "That's Livin' All Right" package...
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boc70 wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


There's a bar?? These Germans think of everything!


That's part of the "That's Livin' All Right" package...


Only available from North East BMW dealers I expect.
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Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?
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Racing Teatray wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?


Have you looked under the cubby floor?
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PhilD wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?


Have you looked under the cubby floor?


Funnily enough mine has a cubby on the right of the boot so you can get a set of golf clubs in widthways, and under that, there's another cubby!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it takes several varieties of veg.
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Chris M Wanted a V-10
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 varieties ?
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Bryan M
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My Car: Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera, Lotus Elan Turbo SE on way and Mercedes C350e Estate

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great write up for a great car It has a strong balance of looks and practicality and sounds like it suits your needs perfectly. I think the diesel version would have been a perfect replacement for the Evoque but the amount of carbons ruled it out

The boot cubby on the Merc is filled with AAA batteries  
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PhilD
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My Car: Fiat Grande Punto Sporting

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?


Have you looked under the cubby floor?


Funnily enough mine has a cubby on the right of the boot so you can get a set of golf clubs in widthways, and under that, there's another cubby!


and under that is the Upside-Down.
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Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?


Have you looked under the cubby floor?


Funnily enough mine has a cubby on the right of the boot so you can get a set of golf clubs in widthways, and under that, there's another cubby!


Is yours an estate?

The bar thing sits in a lidded recess just inside the boot, there's not enough room in there for a bottle of anything, you'd have to use it for squashy things
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not an estate (Touring, darling......), it's the 4 door.

I'll now have to go and have another fish about in the dark.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice write up. The 440i sounds like a great car and I am rather envious of that road trip to Italy. Mrs R wants to go to Italy and I would happily drive but she wouldn't entertain the idea.

And that under floor cubby either isn't big enough to bring more wine or you just didn't bring enough wine back.
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My Car: cooking on gas

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've just found that cubbyhole under the boot floor. Thanks!


Have you got the adjustable bar thing in the first small cubby under the floor?


Er, no. The GC only has one cubby under the floor?


Have you found the Mont Blanc pen yet?
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My Car: BMW 440i GC and Fiat 500

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OMG! How did you guess?




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