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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:44 pm    Post subject: New Scenic  Reply with quote

I spent yesterday at Millbrook driving and evaluating New Scenic.

Firstly; what a fantastic looking car, very modern and very stylish, Renault have done an exceptional job at making an MPV very attractive.

The car is very well put together with tight panel gaps, the doors feel well weighted and shut with a very reassuring thud, interior plastics are top notch and well assembled.

The diesel engines are superb, very refined and they pull very well and unless you are revving it or are told, then you wouldn't know it was a diesel. The car rides well and is very refined and also a little bit chuckable.

Disappointed though with space and versatility; I was sat in the middle row behind my tall colleague, my knees were rubbing on the back of his seat, the middle seats aren't individual and do not remove, they are a 60/40 split, they slide and they fold but it is nowhere near as versatile as previous generations of Scenic; customer feedback told Renault that the seats generally were not removed due to them being bulky, however even without removing the seats and just folding them up, space was huge, New Scenic is just like an estate car with a bit more height. However there was tonnes of cubby storage.

The problem with New Scenic, is the Kadjar; compared to Kadjar it offers very little extra, the Kadjar boot height is slightly higher but the tailgate aperture of Kadjar is wider and squarer and the boot seems deeper in kadjar too, Kadjar doesn't offer all the cubbies but so what, there is enough cubby storage for most people, Scenic has more design flare and is better put together and thought out, however Kadjar type vehicles are very much in vogue and offer more than enough space for a family.

Drove the Zafira Tourer; it is a terrible car to drive and is just "meh", it is very practical but is just so anonymous.

Ford C-Max 6.5 seat; great car to drive, odd to look at and not very spacious, very expensive for what it is and doesn't sell.

Grand Picasso; build a bit iffy, nice to look at, loads of flexibility and an attractive car; it is exactly what an MPV should be and dare I say it, as great as the Scenic is, I think Citroen have it nailed.

Interestingly the trainer said to us that "this market is dead", so it makes you wonder really, I hope New Scenic works, it should as it is a great car, I just don't think the kind of people these cars are aimed at, want them, no matter how good or good looking they are.

Drove Megane a month or so ago and have been running around in one for a while.

Fantastic car, refined, well built, comfy (apart from my left leg rubs on the centre console which can be annoying), deserves to do well but it won't as that sector is dead for us and the car is far too expensive; unless it is a Golf or an A3, no one will look at it, won't be long until there is £5k off it as central resource is rammed with them.

We get the impression from Renault UK that they aren't really that bothered about it either.

The car has been out for almost 2 months, we have sold 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking forward to seeing the new scenic, appeals to me far more than the kadjar. I could see a 5seat scenic being on my shortlist (and company car list) when it comes to replacing the Astra, can't ever see a kadjar being so, other than to be different from the fleet of Qashqais flooding our car park.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the Kadjar is it's an awfully ugly car, especially from the rear 3/4 where it looks ungainly.

I like what I've seen of the Scenic so far and would like to try one, mono space designs appeal to me. I don't agree with your colleague regarding the future, not sure about current Scenic (although I did see a 66 plate Grand Scenic yesterday which surprised me) but the Picasso and Grand Picasso sell like hotcakes, they don't have reliability issues other than a generation of Sat Nav's had a fault on them that required complete replacement (now sorted)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've seen, it looks good for a small MPV.  However, as you said it has a 60/40 split rear seat, I assume it doesn't have 3 even size seats in the middle row, which (to me) is the main reason for getting an MPV over a hatchback / crossover.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Scenic doesn't have a proper sized seat in the centre row anyway, it's narrower than the outer two - the C4 Picasso (and the one we had) does
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, Scenic has never had a full sized centre seat, the centre seat on the C- Max is even narrower, it is pretty much just a hump.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our friends have a Grand C-Max and I was quite shocked at how tiny the centre seat was - theirs is always folded down as its only purpose is to ensure their 6 year old daughter doesn't knock 7 shades of shit out of her 8 year old brother for the entirity of each journey;


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not as good then, but is it at least a proper seat? †A 'hump' makes it no more useful than a hatchback.

That centre 'seat' looks a lot narrower than the one in my car.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This middle seat?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's looks OK to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Renault have done an exceptional job at making an MPV very attractive.

Disappointed though with space and versatility..... the middle seats aren't individual and do not remove, they are a 60/40 split, they slide and they fold but it is nowhere near as versatile as previous generations of Scenic; customer feedback told Renault that the seats generally were not removed due to them being bulky


I'm one of the few who want a medium MPVwith seats that can individually fold and be removed.  So the new Scenic MPV may be attractive but it fails on the multi-purpose front.  C-Max 5-seater has individual rear seats that can be folded or removed, as does the Yeti.  What on earth posessed Renault not to keep individual tumble-folding and removable rear setas on the new Scenic?

When will one reach your showroom in Aldershot, Humph?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Renault have done an exceptional job at making an MPV very attractive.

Disappointed though with space and versatility..... the middle seats aren't individual and do not remove, they are a 60/40 split, they slide and they fold but it is nowhere near as versatile as previous generations of Scenic; customer feedback told Renault that the seats generally were not removed due to them being bulky


I'm one of the few who want a medium MPVwith seats that can individually fold and be removed. †So the new Scenic MPV may be attractive but it fails on the multi-purpose front. †C-Max 5-seater has individual rear seats that can be folded or removed, as does the Yeti. †What on earth posessed Renault not to keep individual tumble-folding and removable rear setas on the new Scenic?

When will one reach your showroom in Aldershot, Humph?


End of November/early December.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

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I'm one of the few who want a medium MPVwith seats that can individually fold and be removed. †So the new Scenic MPV may be attractive but it fails on the multi-purpose front. †C-Max 5-seater has individual rear seats that can be folded or removed, as does the Yeti. †What on earth posessed Renault not to keep individual tumble-folding and removable rear setas on the new Scenic?

When will one reach your showroom in Aldershot, Humph?


Yeah, I always think CitroŽn's solution of having seats that fold completely flat into the floor is a really poor one, much better to manhandle bulky seats.

Look away now, new Scenic with the seats folded;

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

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Look away now, new Scenic with the seats folded;


Have to see and measure..... especially if Grand Scenic is launched in the UK in early 2017.  PCP on the C-Max is up next June and plan A is to buy it outright since I've not yet found anything as good.  Test drove a Yeti today with the intent of mum having one to replace the ageing Volvo and it's a greatly differing prospect to drive.  It meets all her criteria though - smaller than the V70, almost flat bonnet which can be seen from the driving seat, can fit 3 Sainsburys plastic shop-and-scan tubs side-by-side in the boot and can just reach the plasic handle thing to close a fully opened tailgate.  She even reckoned that she wouldn't need her famed cushion to sit on when driving !

(Mind you, a Scenic with a plate that starts and ends KA would look even more silly than a C-Max with same)
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Any auto tail gate closing in that segment Chris?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FRV seats down.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FRV seats down.


Does the front middle seat fold? Necessary for double bass transport ...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disappointed to see Renault uk have no technical information on their website for either the new Scenic or Megane ST. It's not at all helpful.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tis a good looking thing, if the google results are to be believed...?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite common for Renault to release useful information at the last minute and don't bother signing up to be kept updated - I've never received any further information when doing this before!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Does the front middle seat fold? Necessary for double bass transport ...


Yes, it folds down, with the idea it's used as an armrest in normal use (which is how we use it).





The folding centre rear seat is also quite good as the boys can sit separately with items between them rather than them squeezed to one side.

There is also an extra storage section under the front centre section too.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally had an uopdate link from RUK regarding the new Scenic.

Oh no ! The best colour, a goldeny yellow (with contrasting black roof), is only available on the normal Scenic, not the Grand.  Why is the colour choice on so many new cars so dire at the moment ???
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brochure has been out a while, you can get Mink Brown on the Grand which does look nice although not quite as much as Honey Yellow

I do like the new Scenic, very tidy. They need a bigger engine though!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do like the new Scenic, very tidy. They need a bigger engine though!


4.4 litre twin turbo would be ideal.
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I do like the new Scenic, very tidy. They need a bigger engine though!


No one would buy it and it isn't necessary.
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Frank Bullitt wrote:
I do like the new Scenic, very tidy. They need a bigger engine though!


No one would buy it and it isn't necessary.


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The problem with the Kadjar is it's an awfully ugly car, especially from the rear 3/4 where it looks ungainly.

I like what I've seen of the Scenic so far and would like to try one, mono space designs appeal to me. I don't agree with your colleague regarding the future, not sure about current Scenic (although I did see a 66 plate Grand Scenic yesterday which surprised me) but the Picasso and Grand Picasso sell like hotcakes, they don't have reliability issues other than a generation of Sat Nav's had a fault on them that required complete replacement (now sorted)


I disagree. I really quite like the Kadjar and would take one over a Qashqai any day. I saw the Scenic at Geneva and thought it was maybe a bit close to the Kadjar in terms of looks. However, maybe that mix of SUV and MPV is a good gamble by Renault...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

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Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Renault have done an exceptional job at making an MPV very attractive.

Disappointed though with space and versatility..... the middle seats aren't individual and do not remove, they are a 60/40 split, they slide and they fold but it is nowhere near as versatile as previous generations of Scenic; customer feedback told Renault that the seats generally were not removed due to them being bulky


I'm one of the few who want a medium MPVwith seats that can individually fold and be removed. †So the new Scenic MPV may be attractive but it fails on the multi-purpose front. †C-Max 5-seater has individual rear seats that can be folded or removed, as does the Yeti. †What on earth posessed Renault not to keep individual tumble-folding and removable rear setas on the new Scenic?

When will one reach your showroom in Aldershot, Humph?


Chris, you need a converted van.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: New Scenic Reply with quote

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Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Renault have done an exceptional job at making an MPV very attractive.

Disappointed though with space and versatility..... the middle seats aren't individual and do not remove, they are a 60/40 split, they slide and they fold but it is nowhere near as versatile as previous generations of Scenic; customer feedback told Renault that the seats generally were not removed due to them being bulky


I'm one of the few who want a medium MPVwith seats that can individually fold and be removed. †So the new Scenic MPV may be attractive but it fails on the multi-purpose front. †C-Max 5-seater has individual rear seats that can be folded or removed, as does the Yeti. †What on earth posessed Renault not to keep individual tumble-folding and removable rear setas on the new Scenic?

When will one reach your showroom in Aldershot, Humph?


Chris, you need a converted van.


In all seriousness I agree! This one looks lovely.


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Who wouldn't want that on their drive*?


*and sticking out halfway across the pavement.

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