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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:22 pm    Post subject: Go out on top  Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saw that.
Maybe that explains why Merc were in no hurry to punish Hamilton.
I presume they've been expecting it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, Fernando to replace him?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bollocks, I was hoping it was Hamilton.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF you lot on about
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rosberg retiring.

Just seen in, big surprise initially but kind of makes sense.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, sounds similar to Mika Hakinnen's rationale after winning the World Championship.

Managed to climb the mother of all mountains (the psychology of two world championships won by a team-mate who, if he can control himself, is quicker) by winning the world championship - I hope he very much enjoys his retirement with his family and does the things he wants to away from the F1 track, I love the psychology of it - he can probably walk away and turn-off, where as others will always be chasing 'something' else.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great move. No worries about defending a title. When you're uber-rich with a nice life and you've made that goal why not go find another?

To put in into perspective, in 1985 "Fast" Freddie Spencer won the 250 and 500cc titles, the only man to ever win the top 2 tiers in one season. Freddie had been a bike racer as long as he could walk; he was arguably the most naturally gifted rider of all time: effortless doesn't begin to describe his style and the manner he often just rode off into his own race. After achieving his lifetime ambitions at the age of 26 that was it. He wasn't motivated as he had been; he needed to see the things he'd missed while he was racing around the world. He was spent.

If Nico feels like that far better to retire than drag yourself around the world whilst missing your kids grow up. It takes some insane mentality to be like Schumi or VR46 and keep pushing into early middle age; it takes guts to walk away when you're on top of it all.

Now, in the words of John Lennon, he can sit there watching the wheels go round and round now he's no longer in the game.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Great move. No worries about defending a title. When you're uber-rich with a nice life and you've made that goal why not go find another?



I did cheer out loud in the office when I read it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a surprise but well done to him for going out on his own terms.

I wonder how much of it is down to him not being able to stand Lewis anymore though?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toto Woolff has said it was a surprise to him as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottle job.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds from his statement like he found actually having to race other good drives all a bit stressful. And he must know he'll never beat Lewis again without fate intervening.

Not sure I feel much affection for a racing driver who does not seem to enjoy racing that much. But if that's how he feels, he's done the right thing, good luck to him! It's a dangerous sport and he has a family to consider, it must be on all their minds...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all saw how drained and yet relieved, he looked when he was being interviewed immediately after the race last weekend.

He has achieved what he set out to achieve 25 years ago, he is a family man and has sacrificed a lot of family time to get to where he is now and he is unlikely to get another world title, he has found this one extremely hard, who can blame him.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he feels in his heart that Lewis will beat him next year and not wanting to have the feeling of losing his world title, he probably did the right thing. Can we have a bring back Button campaign because there are a few empty seats now.

Who will replace him - recognised F1 driver or up and coming star?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If he feels in his heart that Lewis will beat him next year and not wanting to have the feeling of losing his world title, he probably did the right thing. Can we have a bring back Button campaign because there are a few empty seats now.

Who will replace him - recognised F1 driver or up and coming star?


There must be a good chance of some of the more experienced drivers being VERY interested in that seat given they'll probably have one of, if not the, best cars on the grid next year. A certain German ex-champion might see Mercedes as a better bet than his current car. Vettel and Hamilton slogging it out without either having the advantage of a better car might make things more interesting next year.
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My guess is that they'll bring one of their young drivers in, someone like Wehrlien.
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Great move. No worries about defending a title. When you're uber-rich with a nice life and you've made that goal why not go find another?

..... far better to retire than drag yourself around the world whilst missing your kids grow up. It takes some insane mentality to be like Schumi or VR46 and keep pushing into early middle age; it takes guts to walk away when you're on top of it all.


Indeed, if I'd made many millions years ago and achieved a significant career aim, I'd have done the same to be with my kids and see them grow up, and support them instead of having to be away from home for significant periods of time.  I think this will also enhance Nico's reputation long-term too.

I just hope it doesn'ty mean that Hamilton has a too-easy time to pick up the next 2, 3 or 4 championships.  I doubt that Merc will now go for a fairly inexperienced second driver, I am sure that they want someone that they know can win when Hamilton suffers his next engine blow-up or brain-storm
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bottle job.


That's exactly what I thought. He knew it would be unlikely that he'd ever repeat the feat and so walked off into the sunset. I expect Massa would've done the same a few years back that time he came close...
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Bottle job.


That's exactly what I thought. He knew it would be unlikely that he'd ever repeat the feat and so walked off into the sunset. I expect Massa would've done the same a few years back that time he came close...


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Bottle job.


That's exactly what I thought. He knew it would be unlikely that he'd ever repeat the feat and so walked off into the sunset. I expect Massa would've done the same a few years back that time he came close...


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Bottle job.


That's exactly what I thought. He knew it would be unlikely that he'd ever repeat the feat and so walked off into the sunset. I expect Massa would've done the same a few years back that time he came close...


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So surprising you had to say it twice! He's possibly looked at the career path of Jenson and Damon Hill and didn't want to spend the next few years in the midfield.
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If he feels in his heart that Lewis will beat him next year and not wanting to have the feeling of losing his world title, he probably did the right thing. Can we have a bring back Button campaign because there are a few empty seats now.

Who will replace him - recognised F1 driver or up and coming star?


There must be a good chance of some of the more experienced drivers being VERY interested in that seat given they'll probably have one of, if not the, best cars on the grid next year. A certain German ex-champion might see Mercedes as a better bet than his current car. Vettel and Hamilton slogging it out without either having the advantage of a better car might make things more interesting next year.


I don't think Vettel would fancy going up against Lewis in the same car, nor would Lewis fancy Jenson or 'Nando as a team mate again. My bet's on a young driver to poodle around behind Lewis for a season or so.
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Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited. I didn't realise he is 31, for some reason I thought he was younger, and even then I thought it was an inspired move.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely Superb. If you've spent you're entire career/life chasing a target and then you achieve it, why not savour the moment and bow out. You can either set new targets,  and who knows if he's targets other than F1, or sit back and reflect on a life's works achieved at 31. Good luck to him.

Will be interesting to see who replaces him.
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I respect Nico’s decision. Winning the World Championship was his objective, he achieved that. Since 2014, the battle against Hamilton must have been psychologically draining. Every practice and qualifying session was scrutinised to the nth degree, and his weakness in wheel-to-wheel combat and contact with his teammate resulted in some uncomfortable moments for Nico – both from fans and the team. If Mercedes have a championship-contending car again, 2017 would have been a continuation of that. He doesn’t need any of that, he’s got more than enough money and a family to look after. Respect.

As I said before, Nico is a deserving champion because he scored the most points. Is he as good as Hamilton? Quite simply, no. The elite drivers have instinctively brilliant race craft from the off, no matter who they come up against. The elite drivers are outstanding when it gets wet and unpredictable. And lastly, the elite drivers bend the limits of what is acceptable to gain an advantage, because they’re hard-wired to win. Nico is none of this.  

Nevertheless, Rosberg managed to beat Hamilton at his own game at times. I loved his overtaking against Verstappen in Germany and Abu Dhabi, this was the feisty, effective Rosberg which was evident in GP2 and his early F1 career. I really enjoyed reading about the effort that Rosberg invested to become better and compete against Hamilton, that was very commendable. Not that Hamilton doesn’t prepare enough, but Hamilton is more naturally gifted, whereas Rosberg had to work harder to improve his game and minimise his own deficiencies.

Wehrlein might be a Mercedes junior, but I wonder if his rejection from Force India will influence Mercedes' decision. After all, Ocon was favoured over Wehrlein. I think there is a generation of even younger and faster drivers than Wehrlein. But being so late in the year, and in an era of major manufacturers and teams signing talent from very young ages, can Mercedes choose who they really want?

Or what about Hamilton v Alonso again in the same team? Yes please….
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited. I didn't realise he is 31, for some reason I thought he was younger, and even then I thought it was an inspired move.


Yep, good for him I think.  If you don't have to do something and no longer enjoy it as you once did, who gives half a shit what anyone else thinks anyway?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited.


It's easy to say and needs no thought though.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very good decision in my opinion.  It must have been massively satisfying for him last weekend to achieve his lifelong competitive dream.  He has reached the summit of his own Everest.  Retire on top, walk away and enjoy wherever life takes him next.

A strong move, and one I respect.
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Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited.


It's easy to say and needs no thought though.
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Plenty of thought. Real champions not only win titles they defend them. It takes courage to risk what you have gained and he obviously doesn't have it. It's like a football team going one nil up in the first half and then taking their ball home at half time.
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If everyone were like him there'd be a whole new field of drivers every season. The winner would take the trophy home, never to return and the ones that didn't win would all be going "S'not fair, I don't want to play any more".
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
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PhilD wrote:
Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited.


It's easy to say and needs no thought though.
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Plenty of thought. Real champions not only win titles they defend them. It takes courage to risk what you have gained and he obviously doesn't have it. It's like a football team going one nil up in the first half and then taking their ball home at half time.


Plenty of thought and that's what you came up with?  

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PhilD wrote:
Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited.


It's easy to say and needs no thought though.
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Plenty of thought. Real champions not only win titles they defend them. It takes courage to risk what you have gained and he obviously doesn't have it. It's like a football team going one nil up in the first half and then taking their ball home at half time.


It's not really, is it.

If Mercedes walked away you could argue that (but you'd be wrong), if the seasons highest scorer for the Premiership retires I doubt anyone would suggest (s)he bottled it.

Yet to hear an argument that is anything other than 'I love Lewis, and everybody else is wrong'.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
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Saying bottle job is pretty mean spirited.


It's easy to say and needs no thought though.
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Plenty of thought. Real champions not only win titles they defend them. It takes courage to risk what you have gained and he obviously doesn't have it. It's like a football team going one nil up in the first half and then taking their ball home at half time.


It's not really, is it.





Is it?

Are no contrary opinions entertained anymore? Do we all have to join the Rosberg love in?

I have no great love for Hamilton, preferring Button if truth be told but either way they were both champions who defended their titles.
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"It's a shame he has retired after winning, we would get the chance to see if he is really only a one-season champion or whether this would get into his team mates head and dominate him"

"I don't agree drivers can retire after winning, I think they have a commitment to the sport and/ or their fans"

"Its too late for me, it throws Mercedes, the team that have supported him so well, a late-swerver for a second driver next season when all the good talent is signed up"

There are three positive counter viewpoints and no doubt there are a myriad more - 'bottled it' et-al are shit ones.
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To make Nico's decision seem even worse, I see DaHam has said he's going to be around for another 10 years....
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If I were Mercedes, I would take a punt on Carlos Sainz to replace Rosberg. Whilst he hasn’t stood out to the same extent as Verstappen has, Sainz has quietly but surely driven some great races since last year. Verstappen beat him to the Red Bull seat after Kyvat was dumped, but its telling that Red Bull decided to give him another year at Toro Rosso for 2017. Toro Rosso is a place for young driver evaluation, not for someone to stay at for a prolonged period. The fact that he’s been retained for another year illustrates how much Helmut Marko and co rate Carlos. If they didn’t rate him, they would have dumped him for a another one of their junior drivers.

But this presents a problem for Sainz himself. With Ricciardo and Verstappen being long-termers at Red Bull, it’s unlikely that staying loyal to Red Bull would allow him to move further up the grid.
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Just read some speculation that agrees with my theory that M-B want a proven experienced driver capable of winning rather than an "intern", with Bottas being in the running as his Williams contract has only another year to run, and M-B could offer Willliams a sweetener to release him early by, for example, lowering the engine price for the 2017 season.  An interesting few weeks ahead for the Circus/Piranhas
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Good for him. He's done what he set out to do. He can't top it. By his own account he's already missed out on large chunks of his daughter's first 18 months. With the championship in the bag, why waste any more time?


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