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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:28 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

^ probably a pipe-dream with modern technology being so critical etc etc
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd like to see no one-team dominance.


Surely?  I know it's a crazy dream and all that...

I wonder what's happened with viewing figures over the last decade?


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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/0...rd-of-its-tv-audience-since-2008/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:

I'd like to see no one-team dominance.


Surely?  I know it's a crazy dream and all that...

I wonder what's happened with viewing figures over the last decade?


Gone down faster than an intern at the White House

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/0...rd-of-its-tv-audience-since-2008/


With the new owners I wonder if they will want to do something about Sky getting exclusive rights to show all the races from 2019.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder what's happened with viewing figures over the last decade?

Gone down faster than an intern at the White House

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/0...rd-of-its-tv-audience-since-2008/


No surprise when the person that is not even the best driver in his team won the champs, the cars sound so shit, and the tyres stop drivers being able to push consistently. I'm in that number - I hardly ever watch now, I was total fanboy once, even following winter testing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the bollocks rules have more of a negative effect.

The tyre rules: having to swap types, not allowed to put new ones on to start; limiting the number of sets etc. History shows the black round things have a big impact and in trying to limit that impact the spectacle has suffered.

DRS. Great idea but just makes viewers question whether the driver or car with DRS is actually capable of an overtake without it.

Aero rules: just bollocks. The cars look like a load of spare guttering parts and when bits fall off the car is so affected it just falls away. They need one big wing at each end and the body shape can offer aero in one continuous shape (i.e. No shit bolted on)

Engine rules: great to embrace electric motors but the core unit should be allowed to be a shrieking banshee that revs itself to destruction, not rev limited so the chances of engine failure are minimised.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the drivers in the race for the title drove as slowly as he dared to win the race to try to win the title. .


Obviously a lot of chatter about this move. Seems fair enough to me, winning the race was never going to be enough so he needed to mix it up a bit. As for your (tongue in cheek) comment BB, sport isn't just about full out attack, as you well know.


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It will be next year.....


It won't. A football team 4-0 up at half time will most likely try and defend that lead in the second half. A Tour de France team will choose a GC or a Sprint leader and most of the rest of the riders will be there to help them win. A boxer will drop his guard to invite his opponent to try attack and then catch him/her with a sucker punch.

Or you are right and there will be a whole load of race strategists looking for a new job next year  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don’t think that Mercedes favour Rosberg because he’s German. The link is obvious, but Hamilton has been associated with Mercedes a lot longer than Rosberg has. It was not only McLaren who backed Hamilton since his karting days, but it was Mercedes as well. It isn’t a coincidence that Hamilton has only ever driven Mercedes-powered cars in his F1 career.

However, Rosberg has been at Mercedes Grand Prix since the team was formed back in 2010. He’s been there through the ups and downs, and perhaps that makes some team members prefer Rosberg. Hamilton came to Mercedes just as they started to win in 2013, but the foundations of the team’s success were laid before that.

I would disagree that the tyres have had a diminished impact. Since 2011, Pirelli have deliberately ensured that tyres are the talking point, and the strategy variation that comes from excess degradation. Consequently, races have had overtaking where usually it wouldn’t happen with ultra-hard tyres.

Can you get rid of dodgy tyres and DRS? Yes, by fundamentally changing the aerodynamics of the cars. This would negate the need for such aids and goodies to enhance the spectacle. Do they need such excessive front wings, or generally such vast downforce? Personally speaking, no. I know what I’m saying is naïve, but if downforce was drastically reduced and areas of development were prohibited, it would massively reduce costs. Of course, F1 being F1, they’ll just spend money elsewhere…probably on fancier catering. But cost reduction must start somewhere, and reducing downforce goes hand-in-hand with better and safer racing.

As for TV viewership, I don’t know of any major motorsport series that has increased its viewership in 2016 or generally in recent years. Sadly, motorsport is not exactly attracting a lot of new fans, so viewing figures are declining or stagnate at best. This coincides with the proliferation of motorsport moving to subscription TV, and you have the perfect storm. Does the public still want to view F1? If the circumstances are right, I believe so. A peak of 4.99 million people watched yesterday’s race, and the Mexican Grand Prix in a primetime TV slot got 3.93 million viewers.
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As for TV viewership, I don’t know of any major motorsport series that has increased its viewership in 2016 or generally in recent years. Sadly, motorsport is not exactly attracting a lot of new fans, so viewing figures are declining or stagnate at best.


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/201...inale-most-watched-gp-ever/189980
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive, but that was last year. BT Sport had a peak of 234k viewers for Valencia 2016, not exactly startling - way behind Sky's F1 viewership that is also on subscription TV.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BT Sport carries MotoGP in the UK, a desperately poor market for bike racing on TV. The viewing figures and attendance figures for MotoGP have definitely not contracted worldwide in the past decade and their multi-view-take-anywhere-in-the-world subscription app should be being copied by F1 as of yesterday.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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their multi-view-take-anywhere-in-the-world subscription app should be being copied by F1 as of yesterday.


There's a whole load of stuff they can do to attract the millennials, and I'm not just talking about Taylor Shift driving the safety car (or whatever it is she did).

In not many years time I can see people doing stuff likestrapping on VR headsets and racing alongside Bassi Massa and Hamilton's dog. If they don't embrace this sort of thing someone else will (Formula E?) and it could be the end for F1.
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Well Audi haven't given up WEC and swapped to Formula E for nothing.

FI may become a bit like "the historics" much quicker than we think.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the bollocks rules have more of a negative effect.

The tyre rules: having to swap types, not allowed to put new ones on to start; limiting the number of sets etc. History shows the black round things have a big impact and in trying to limit that impact the spectacle has suffered.

DRS. Great idea but just makes viewers question whether the driver or car with DRS is actually capable of an overtake without it.

Aero rules: just bollocks. The cars look like a load of spare guttering parts and when bits fall off the car is so affected it just falls away. They need one big wing at each end and the body shape can offer aero in one continuous shape (i.e. No shit bolted on)

Engine rules: great to embrace electric motors but the core unit should be allowed to be a shrieking banshee that revs itself to destruction, not rev limited so the chances of engine failure are minimised.


Agree with most of this, but it does sound worryingly similar to Indycar.

When JB broke his suspension arm I wondered whether he wished it was the eighties so he could get a lift back to the pits and finish the race in the spare car. Probably not, he didn't seem to be overly bothered.

I must say this season did have an air of being rigged. Every time one of the Mercedes boys got a huge lead something would always happen to let the other catch up again. As for why they swapped the mechanical teams around...??
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As for why they swapped the mechanical teams around...??


One side of the garage didn't want to work with a cunt. Choose which side at your leisure.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for why they swapped the mechanical teams around...??


One side of the garage didn't want to work with a cunt. Choose which side at your leisure.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't seem very fair on the other lot!
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