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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: 718 boxster  Reply with quote

Had one today as courtesy car ,gt4 had some issue that needed sorting.

Firstly they are really good looking machines ,the boxster has evolved each time into a nicer looking machine imo,and it got so many looks ,far more than in either of the wife's boxsters we had.

Car was base model with manual box, white with black big wheels .
Drives like you would expect ,fine ride ,beautifully balanced etc etc.
Engine was a disappointment ,compared to the n/a we had,turbo lag not too much of an issue ,it's there but keep the revs up and you don't notice it too much....but the noise is just nowhere near as nice.
On the plus side it is bloody quick for the base model, much faster in real world than the n/a straight six 2.7.

Swapping in and out of gt4 you notice how much more 'engineered' the gt4 feels,everything is so much tighter and responsive .
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One trundled past me yesterday and I agree about the looks. It also sounded good at low speed.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 718 boxster Reply with quote

franki68 wrote:
Swapping in and out of gt4 you notice how much more 'engineered' the gt4 feels,everything is so much tighter and responsive .


Completely agree (using my other cars as the reference points rather than the 718).

Swindon or Tewkesbury, presumably?  I read your post on PH about the fault.  Not experienced any of that on mine, thankfully.  Hope the replacement part sorts it!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds as you'd expect.

What's wrong with the GT4?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parking brake failure red light requiring new motor of some sort I think.  All the more reason to bring back a proper handbrake
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too late to go back to your principles now!  

I'm currently driving an automatic with an old fashioned handbrake and its crap compared to a decent electric system.  I'm missing my auto-hold too, when I come to a stop I have to select park, pull a lever to put the handbrake on and then press the start/stop button.  I'm used to just pressing the button and getting out, while the car sorts the rest out including moving the wheel out of the way...much better.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 718 boxster Reply with quote

Stuntman wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Swapping in and out of gt4 you notice how much more 'engineered' the gt4 feels,everything is so much tighter and responsive .


Completely agree (using my other cars as the reference points rather than the 718).

Swindon or Tewkesbury, presumably?  I read your post on PH about the fault.  Not experienced any of that on mine, thankfully.  Hope the replacement part sorts it!


Tewksbury ,Swindon is closer now but I think Tewksbury will be closer when we move (or alternatively I didn't know Swindon had an opc )
Turns out they misdiagnosed and the motor was fine but something technical needed realigning apparently.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swindon has a shiny new OPC down by the Ferrari / Maserati garage.  MINI have moved into the old building.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Swindon has a shiny new OPC down by the Ferrari / Maserati garage.  MINI have moved into the old building.


Tewksbury opc does not appear on either my or the the 718s sat nav under Porsche ???
Also they had a Carrera 4 s in ...new model with some spec..£125000.
Virtually No used stock either ,literally non I could see in showroom or car park,found that odd.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Swindon has a shiny new OPC

... is that on Frankland Road, if so same road as I used to work from back in the 1990's......
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My cousin has had a 986 'S' from new in 2002, which he loves to bits and only drives in (what passes for) summer.

He was at his sisters' (who is married to a HaasF1 designer btw!) the other week for her annual summer BBQ, and someone else there brought along their brand new 718 . . my cousin was blown away by it (he neglected to report on spec, the dolt!) and is now contemplating trading his 986 for one. Hopefully he will do so AND manage to do some sort of write-up about it!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Martin wrote:
Swindon has a shiny new OPC

... is that on Frankland Road, if so same road as I used to work from back in the 1990's......


It is, yes.  Well, just off it behind the VW garage.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Martin wrote:
Swindon has a shiny new OPC

... is that on Frankland Road, if so same road as I used to work from back in the 1990's......


It is, yes.  Well, just off it behind the VW garage.


they might as well merge the dealers now they are sharing engines and platforms.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's faster, more economical, greener etc.  But the engine seems to kill it for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know it's faster, more economical, greener etc.  But the engine seems to kill it for me.


It's such an odd decision from Porsche, I just can't understand it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else find the controls all cack-handed?

After 2 months of ownership I'm still pushing the handbreak button when I should be pulling it and vice versa.

I can't stand touchscreen so have set the Infotainment system to use the dials but again it scrolls in the other direction to which you think would be the obvious way.

Also whats with the hill hold. Its like you have to engage 3000rpm before it will release the brakes. I've stalled the car a few times now trying to potter off on a hill start.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I know it's faster, more economical, greener etc.  But the engine seems to kill it for me.


It's such an odd decision from Porsche, I just can't understand it.


I wonder whether cylinder deactivation on a further downsized turbo six would be too expensive (hard to conceive, given how steep it is now) or is otherwise unsuitable.  Even a five-pot would have been worth thinking about.  It would have changed the character, but would have retained some.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I know it's faster, more economical, greener etc.  But the engine seems to kill it for me.


It's such an odd decision from Porsche, I just can't understand it.


I wonder whether cylinder deactivation on a further downsized turbo six would be too expensive (hard to conceive, given how steep it is now) or is otherwise unsuitable.  Even a five-pot would have been worth thinking about.  It would have changed the character, but would have retained some.


Have you read the Alfa Giulia/Merc C63/M4 test in CAR mag?
The fuel economy figure for the Merc, with it's downsized engine, is atrocious - as are most of the figures in the long-term tests.
I think the small turbo thing is just a con for the Euro fuel economy test but in the real world makes zero difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely, it's window dressing when the cars are being used thoroughly.  The laws of thermodynamics have a thing or two to say about energy not coming from nowhere!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Does anyone else find the controls all cack-handed?

After 2 months of ownership I'm still pushing the handbreak button when I should be pulling it and vice versa.

I can't stand touchscreen so have set the Infotainment system to use the dials but again it scrolls in the other direction to which you think would be the obvious way.

Also whats with the hill hold. Its like you have to engage 3000rpm before it will release the brakes. I've stalled the car a few times now trying to potter off on a hill start.


I agree with you regarding the handbrake thingy, but after a while you just get used to needing to push it in to apply it.  On the few occasions when it doesn't just disengage automatically when driving off from a standstill I do find it a bit counterintuitive having to pull it rather than push it.

I find hill hold to be a leap of faith.
Still, progress eh?  
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I know it's faster, more economical, greener etc.  But the engine seems to kill it for me.


It's such an odd decision from Porsche, I just can't understand it.


I wonder whether cylinder deactivation on a further downsized turbo six would be too expensive (hard to conceive, given how steep it is now) or is otherwise unsuitable.  Even a five-pot would have been worth thinking about.  It would have changed the character, but would have retained some.


too expensive for the most profitable car company in the world?

Why not divert some of the filthy lucre made from churning out diesel SUVs into keeping the sports cars as good as they can be?

Where is the cylinder activation, electric motors, regenerative braking?

Turbo 4 pots just seem lazy to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about putting clear water between the 718 and 911 ranges (GT cars aside), and thereby encouraging folk to 'trade up' towards the 911.  Previously, a significant section of Porsche's customer base may have thought that the Cayster cars had enough power, nicer handling, and sounded great.  Hence there was no reason to covet a 911 based on how the cars drove - unless you needed rear seats.  

Now, you might look to trade up to a 911 because of how it sounds.  The risk of course is that the customers trade out into say an F Type, M2, Mustang, TTRS or Evora.
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Which would make sense if they only had a 2 car range, or if the 911 wasn't selling or if they needed the 911 money/profit margin.
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...-worse-fuel-economy-jaguar-f-type
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scouse wrote:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...-worse-fuel-economy-jaguar-f-type


It only confirms what we already know.

It makes a mockery of VED charges as well since if the real world economy was used cars would be taxed more heavily.

The result for the A4 3.0TDi is very similar to what I was getting on my 2003, 140k mile 530 diesel - probably a similar size and weight but using older tech.
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How are you getting on, Mark?
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Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Does anyone else find the controls all cack-handed?

After 2 months of ownership I'm still pushing the handbreak button when I should be pulling it and vice versa.

I can't stand touchscreen so have set the Infotainment system to use the dials but again it scrolls in the other direction to which you think would be the obvious way.

Also whats with the hill hold. Its like you have to engage 3000rpm before it will release the brakes. I've stalled the car a few times now trying to potter off on a hill start.


Touchscreens aren't anywhere near as good, I use the scroll wheel on the MF steering wheel if I can, then the knob next to the screen, but as you say it works the wrong way and I still forget a couple of years down the line.  The A8 was the same so I assume it's an Audi thing.

The handbrake sounds wrong, the BMW switch works as you'd expect but I can't remember the last time I had to use it as its automatic.

Add me to the list of very disappointed people when it comes to the Porsche engine downsizing.  I really like the way the 718 looks, but wouldn't change mine for one.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
How are you getting on, Mark?


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Look two posts above mine!
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Boxer6 wrote:
My cousin has had a 986 'S' from new in 2002, which he loves to bits and only drives in (what passes for) summer.

He was at his sisters' (who is married to a HaasF1 designer btw!) the other week for her annual summer BBQ, and someone else there brought along their brand new 718 . . my cousin was blown away by it (he neglected to report on spec, the dolt!) and is now contemplating trading his 986 for one. Hopefully he will do so AND manage to do some sort of write-up about it!


I don't think he had a drive of it, and not sure if he had a drive in it either. Typical of Farceboak I now can't find the bloody post!  
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Some moonbootery on the evo letters page this month...
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Some moonbootery on the evo letters page this month...


Absolute classic moonbootery. Not sure if he read the review or just saw the star rating and hammered out an e-mail.
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In the moonboot world, everything is great.  With the possible exception of something like cupholder placement, which shows the wearer's lack of partiality, you see...


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