The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Join! (free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Toyota Out?          The Motor Forum Forum Index -> Racing Posts View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Clunes Running In My Car: Ford Mondeo 2.5T Estate Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 485 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:36 am    Post subject: Toyota Out? Breakfast BBC news reporting that Toyota may pull put of F1 today An announcement expected around 8am Back to top Clunes Running In My Car: Ford Mondeo 2.5T Estate Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 485 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Confirmed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobi...torsport/formula_one/8341602.stm? Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12120 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: And they never got that first win, either. Bad luck for Kobayashi: I hope someone snaps him up. Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5578 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Well at least that leaves a space for Sauber. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top Big TC Supercharged My Car: Seat Toledo 20V SE, Citroen C1 Diesel Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5759 Location: Stuck in my ways Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed. And I was only telling Amanda at the weekend that there may well be 28 cars on the grid next year... (My hat's safe - I did state that I'd eat it if there were 14 teams on the grid next year) _________________ It's a '57 Pontiac Star Chief, dontchaknow. Back to top Eff One Petrolhead My Car: Sweet FA Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 2420 Location: Southampton Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Sad news, but not entirely surprising. Given that they have a confirmed slot on the grid next year and a massive factory in Cologne, I wonder if anyone will take the team on? I think all three drivers have a fairly strong chance of being in F1 next year. Glock looks like joining Kubica at Renault, Trulli to Lotus - and you'd be mad not to consider Kobayashi. _________________ "Racing is life. Everything before and after is just waiting." Steve McQueen Back to top Pkh72 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Focus ST-2 & Fabia vRS Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 1497 Location: Derbyshire Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Can't say i'm too fussed about Toyota going TBH, the most they seemed to achieve was Trulli holding up a third of the field on a regular basis. The length of time they were around and their apparent budget should have brought much more. _________________ Nothing to see here Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12120 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: This was buried in the text of the Autosport article: Quote: Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if it wished. Back to top Big Blue Turbocharged My Car: Sharan V6 Sport; Honda Fireblade 07; 1989 Mercedes 190 "Colditz" Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Upper Slovak, nr. Wimbledon SW19 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Big TC wrote: I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed. Witness the Brawn / Honda scenario. F1 is about being light on your feet and adaptive. Japanese management strategies err on the side of caution and aim at perfection in the marketplace. They also have a culture of deference so some young, ideas man would struggle to make a corporate old-boy take a risk. I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season. _________________ Call the fire brigade, call the firebrigade...... I said FireBRIGADE...... Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12120 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Big Blue wrote: I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season. Pat Symonds, for example? Back to top Big Blue Turbocharged My Car: Sharan V6 Sport; Honda Fireblade 07; 1989 Mercedes 190 "Colditz" Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Upper Slovak, nr. Wimbledon SW19 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: Big Blue wrote: I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season. Pat Symonds, for example? I always hoped Trevor Carlin would make the step _________________ Call the fire brigade, call the firebrigade...... I said FireBRIGADE...... Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5090 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Maybe Flav will get a chance Back to top Big TC Supercharged My Car: Seat Toledo 20V SE, Citroen C1 Diesel Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5759 Location: Stuck in my ways Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Big Blue wrote: Big TC wrote: I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed. Witness the Brawn / Honda scenario. F1 is about being light on your feet and adaptive. Japanese management strategies err on the side of caution and aim at perfection in the marketplace. They also have a culture of deference so some young, ideas man would struggle to make a corporate old-boy take a risk. I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season. I totally agree with that assessment. _________________ It's a '57 Pontiac Star Chief, dontchaknow. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5090 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:13 pm    Post subject: Is there any indication of how much/any work Toyota have done for next year's car? Back to top PG Turbocharged My Car: Jaguar X type 3.0 Sport; Shogun "truck"; Iveco horse lorry Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 3453 Location: Shropshire Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Toyota signed the new agreement that ran until 2012. so if they don't find somebody to take on the team, Bernie will see them in court. Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5578 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: PG wrote: Toyota signed the new agreement that ran until 2012. so if they don't find somebody to take on the team, Bernie will see them in court. Still cheaper that £250 million though I should imagine. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top DaveGibson Supercharged My Car: Lexus IS250 SE-I Auto. Triumph TR7V8 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5457 Location: Worcestershire Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: It's usually said that the employment laws in this country make it easier to hire or fire employees than in other European countries. Bearing in mind that Ross Brawn convinced Honda that it would be cheaper to fund him for a year, than to sack all of the Honda Racing employees, I wonder what the financial implications are for Toyota with their team located in Germany. Back to top the other ct Motoring On My Car: E34 525i sport Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 579 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Ferrari's bizarre reaction Quote: The piece (on the Ferrari website) also made a cryptic comparison between F1's situation and an Agatha Christie mystery novel, and urged the sport to take action against those responsible for the pull-outs. "It seems like a parody of Agatha Christie's 'Ten Little Indians', published in England for the first time in the year 1939, but reality is much more serious. "In Christie's detective novel the guilty person is only discovered when everybody else is dead, one after the other. Do we want to wait until this happens or should we write Formula 1's book with a different closing chapter?" http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013     _________________ "I’m not gonna wear a ladies’ wetsuit I’m a man! ...Get me a small man’s wetsuit, please." Back to top Chris M Wants a V-10 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Galaxy Ghia TDI Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2220 Location: Somewhere in a Galaxy near Camberley, Surrey Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reading the latest updates, the FIA is looking at the legal implications as Toyota signed up to the Concorde agreement through to 2012.  Typical FIA I suppose, don't face up to reality, just look at the Law.  Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?) _________________ Papped by Paul; London 2008-09-27 Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12120 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 am    Post subject: Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote: Reading the latest updates, the FIA is looking at the legal implications as Toyota signed up to the Concorde agreement through to 2012.  Typical FIA I suppose, don't face up to reality, just look at the Law.  Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?) Sorry, but I can't see what's wrong with what the FiA is saying. If Toyota signed the Concorde Agreement, that comes with obligations, like any other contract. Back to top Mike Amos Petrolhead My Car: VW 1600 Variant type a 1972 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1249 Location: Sunny Staffordshire Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: " Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?)" If it was not aground on a reef of champaign bottles (empty), it would have sunk years ago.  The last few years are merely a footnote comment on how NOT to run a business, let alone a championship. That mosely chap and his pet monkee's should be ashamed of themselves.  I really cannot see JT doing any better, coming as he does with the last presidents approval.  I do hope I am wrong in this assesment. _________________ Politicians.  Would a career specialist by any other name carry such a putrid stench? 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