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Turbonutter · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: Supercharged and Turbocharged

Seat have launched the old double-blown 1.4 in the Ibiza Cupra with 178bhp. As quick as the Cooper S on a dry track.
Funnily enough I followed an '09' Ibiza this morning ( not a Cupra ) but the the half-circle rear lights give it a slightly sinister 'devil face' when you're following

I quite liked the looks of the 3-door.

Economy looks like it could be usefully good though according to the figures

Blarno · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:39 am Post subject:

I wonder how much one of those engines goes for?

Saying that, I'm enquiring about a VTR engine for Franc today..
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Turbonutter · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:47 am Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:01 am Post subject:

"him" · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:06 am Post subject:

That was wishful thinking...
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Turbonutter · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:24 am Post subject:

Boxer6 · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:47 am Post subject:

GonnaBreakABuggy · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject:

There's a 306 with a TVR engine in...
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simonp · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject:

Blarno · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject:

Mark · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:36 am Post subject:

I find that new Ibiza Cupra incredibly tacky and cheap looking - inside & out. £540 to paint it in that shitty Orange (to show up the black plastic stuck everywhere even more), too?

Surely only a muppet would take one over a Mini Cooper S (or even the Corsa VXR)?

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:40 am Post subject:

Turbonutter · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:43 am Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:44 am Post subject:

Sadly true, even though an efficient large N/A engine probably gives better (or at least as good) real world economy.

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:47 am Post subject:

Turbonutter · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:48 am Post subject:

Pkh72 · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

We were looking at replacing the wifes Vrs with a new model Vrs when that eventually appears next year but i must say i have my doubts as to the longevity of these twin charged engines, they appear to be too complex for their own good, especially when they get out if warranty and things start wearing out on them.

I also noticed a little snippet in yesterdays autocar about the price of the new Fabia Vrs starting at £16k, i fear that Skoda are no longer the value brand, i wouldn't be paying £16k for one i'd need at least £2k discount off that.

Any ideas if they are doing a diesel version too?
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Matt · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject:

Sadly, I believe M are opting for blown engines because Audi are trumping them on power and the BMW board decree it, despite the engine in the X6 M not going down to well in that brief Autocar test.

Interesting that they believe diesels will become too expensive for small cars under Euro 5 and 6, meaning there'll be a lot more small petrol turbos. If you're going to have diesel power-bands, you may as well use diesel...

A turbo revving out to 8k, now that I'd have no problem with.
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Turbonutter · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

Pkh72 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:15 am Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:04 am Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject:

That's what I mean though, official figures make turbo engines look relatively better. BMW's large petrol sixes are reknowned for being fuel-efficient, and whenever I'm in the UK (and thus relatively constrained in how fast I can go), the GT3 regularly returns figures in the high twenties.

TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject:

I know the official figures are a load of crap - CAR mag now list their actual and the official during long term test reports.

I was meaning fuel economy based on what people are saying on forums like Pistonheads.

I don't think anyone on there with a V10 M5 is getting fuel economy into the 20s unless they have a sustained motorway run at sensible speeds.

I reckon 15-18 is the most likely day-to-day result wheras E39s get 20-25.

Turbonutter · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject:

Frank Bullitt · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Being the 1.4TSI engine (122bhp) is a lovely peach, then I suspect the twinchargerthingy is more than tasty.

Superchargers and turbochargers are reasonably simple bolt-on parts though with decent reliability nowadays so I wouldn't loose sleep over having one with a few miles on the clock.

Agree with Mark on the Cupra-kak though.
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simonp · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject:

I really liked the engine in the Golf GT I tested, it was just the all-too-common Golf externals that put me off! The points where the turbo kicked in and the s/charger bowed out were imperceptible and there was just linear power from one end of the revs to the other. Get out and try one, folks!