The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Join! (free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Noble M600 road test - spoiler alert          The Motor Forum Forum Index -> In the Mags View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Noble M600 road test - spoiler alert Quite a coup for Autocar, running full figures on the car so soon: 0-60 3.5, 0-100 6.8, 0-150 14.0, 0-200 29.8 1/4 mile 11.0/131.1 1 km 19.9/170.2 Most in-gear figures quicker than the McLaren F1. http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarRevie...History/Noble-M600-4.4-V8/243971/ Back to top Twelfth Monkey Supercharged My Car: Sprint Blue RS4 Saloon, Black A2 1.6 Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 6250 Location: The Fortress of Ultimate Darkness; that or the pub. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: I had the feeling that this was being dismissed in rather pat fashion when it was last discussed. _________________ "Accident Blackspot"? These aren't accidents. They're throwing themselves into the road gladly. Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness.' Back to top Turbonutter Petrolhead My Car: Ford Sierra/BMW 328i/Mini Cooper S Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 1360 Location: Shropshire Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: I did see the test this morning - pretty quick isn't it   No ABS though and still beaten by the Scud wet and dry laps ( although they put that down partly to the tyres ) Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Twelfth Monkey wrote: I had the feeling that this was being dismissed in rather pat fashion when it was last discussed. I don't think anyone ever doubted it would be incredibly fast and also handle well. But my opinion hasn't changed, it still looks too much like a kit car. Why couldn't they have put as much effort into the styling and the interior as they obviously did into the engine and chassis? MP4-12C would still be my choice. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Just seen it on the cover of the mag, bloody quick indeed. 458 Italia for me though and that's a first I don't usually like the Ferrari route. Lovely Audi R4 in Auto Excess by the way. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8447 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: I'd have one. Now, where did I put my balaclava? _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top Twelfth Monkey Supercharged My Car: Sprint Blue RS4 Saloon, Black A2 1.6 Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 6250 Location: The Fortress of Ultimate Darkness; that or the pub. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: Twelfth Monkey wrote: I had the feeling that this was being dismissed in rather pat fashion when it was last discussed. I don't think anyone ever doubted it would be incredibly fast and also handle well. But my opinion hasn't changed, it still looks too much like a kit car. Why couldn't they have put as much effort into the styling and the interior as they obviously did into the engine and chassis? My issue was with the assertion (not made by your good self) that Sutcliffe was automatically an ape for suggesting that he'd rather have one than an F40.  A car which, lest we forget, was also not the last word in cosmetics and luxury interiors. _________________ "Accident Blackspot"? These aren't accidents. They're throwing themselves into the road gladly. Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness.' Back to top Eff One Petrolhead My Car: Sweet FA Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 2420 Location: Southampton Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: It's certainly interesting and doesn't smack of kit car to my eyes. Although the 458's spec and basic proportions are stunning, I have a major problem with the front - specifically the headlight treatment, which I find pig-ugly. Guess I'll have to cross it off the shortlist then   _________________ "Racing is life. Everything before and after is just waiting." Steve McQueen Back to top scamper Supercharged My Car: MINI One. Skoda Fabia 1.4 Classic. Mark 1 MX5 1.8iS Impreza 2.0 Sportwagon GX Sport Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 5070 Location: Brum Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Not German?  Must be shit, so off my list too. Back to top Twelfth Monkey Supercharged My Car: Sprint Blue RS4 Saloon, Black A2 1.6 Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 6250 Location: The Fortress of Ultimate Darkness; that or the pub. Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Eff One wrote: It's certainly interesting and doesn't smack of kit car to my eyes. Although the 458's spec and basic proportions are stunning, I have a major problem with the front - specifically the headlight treatment, which I find pig-ugly. Guess I'll have to cross it off the shortlist then   Glad I'm not the only one, I think the 458 is desperately ordinary. _________________ "Accident Blackspot"? These aren't accidents. They're throwing themselves into the road gladly. Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness.' Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8447 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: +1. Ferraris don't even register on my scale. _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: I don't think the new Ferrari is ordinary as such but I think it's done a lot of favours by its recent less-than-beautiful predecessors. Certainly the gushing from some of the press seems OTT. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Certainly the gushing from some of the press seems OTT. Especially as none of them have driven it yet. I'm sure it will be great, but I'm equally sure a specced one will cost over 200k. And it doesn't stir me the way the McLaren does ... Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8447 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Certainly the gushing from some of the press seems OTT. It's Italian, the motoring press have to love it. It's the law. _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Because it's a car with lots of p****** and s*** Back to top Blarno Motorhead My Car: A homo's devil machine with Git Plate. Franc soon to be departed. Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 8447 Location: The corporate whore juggernaut Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Pussies and shit? Oh wait, that'll be the owners... _________________ Arms held out, in the Jesus Christ Pose. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: It amuses me how the motoring press (and lots of motor racing fans too) get all dewy eyed about the 'passion' and style of Ferraris - of any era - yet often the same people seem to hate Alfas and Fiats. It's doubly amusing since so many Ferraris in particular appear to attract wankers as owners. Last edited by TimR on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:06 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top "him" Turbocharged My Car: is 'wikkid innit' & '04 Scenic Dynamique Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4860 Location: Cornwall Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Blarno wrote: Pussies and shit? I am glad I am not the only one... ...though I thought it was pissing and shit!   _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2305 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: It amuses me how the motoring press (and lots of motor racing fans too) get all dewy eyed about the 'passion' and style of Ferraris - of any era - yet often the same people seem to hate Alfas and Fiats. Ferrari’s do very little for me these days but it has to be said that they do consistently (with the odd exception) make excellent, well built cars that are either class leading - or at least ‘up there’. The same cannot be said for the other two marques you mention. Unfortunately. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Mark wrote: Ferrari’s do very little for me these days but it has to be said that they do consistently (with the odd exception) make excellent, well built cars that are either class leading - or at least ‘up there’. The same cannot be said for the other two marques you mention. Unfortunately. Maybe with recent efforts but Ferrari have certainly made some howlers in the past but that somehow seems to be forgiven. In addition they were building some fairly agricultural cars - compared with their competition - in the 1960s yet these cars are worth far more than the equivalents from different marques. Alfa and Fiat are still stuck with the rust bucket & dodgy electrics image for a lot of people but that applies to pretty much every car from that era. When was the last time anybody saw an early '80s Honda, Nissan or BMW? Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2305 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Mark wrote: Ferrari’s do very little for me these days but it has to be said that they do consistently (with the odd exception) make excellent, well built cars that are either class leading - or at least ‘up there’. The same cannot be said for the other two marques you mention. Unfortunately. Maybe with recent efforts but Ferrari have certainly made some howlers in the past but that somehow seems to be forgiven. In addition they were building some fairly agricultural cars - compared with their competition - in the 1960s yet these cars are worth far more than the equivalents from different marques. Alfa and Fiat are still stuck with the rust bucket & dodgy electrics image for a lot of people but that applies to pretty much every car from that era. I completely agree. But, I can’t remember when Fiat or Alfa Romeo had two universally praised mainstream (and that’s what they build) models in their ranges that were competitive in class. Maybe the Tipo & Uno? Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Punto and Bravo? Whenever the Punto comes out - all 3 versions - it gets decent praise but the motoring press seem to forget it pretty quickly. The current Bravo appears to be at least as good as the Astra, Megane, etc which are its competitors and , in my opinion at least, the Stilo was no worse than the Mk4 Golf at least at the mundane levels of the range. Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2305 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Punto and Bravo? Whenever the Punto comes out - all 3 versions - it gets decent praise but the motoring press seem to forget it pretty quickly. The current Bravo appears to be at least as good as the Astra, Megane, etc which are its competitors and , in my opinion at least, the Stilo was no worse than the Mk4 Golf at least at the mundane levels of the range. Yep -could be. I have read/heard some real nightmare stories about living with the current Punto, though - or do you mean the MK1 version? Back to top DaveGibson Supercharged My Car: Lexus IS250 SE-I Auto. Triumph TR7V8 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5457 Location: Worcestershire Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Ferraris have never done anything for me but, then, in my early car appreciating years, from winning Le Mans in 1965 and Niki Lauda arriving in 1975, they hardly won anything. As far as road cars were concerned, the Lamborghini Miura was much more exciting than Ferrari's offerings of the time. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Mark wrote: Yep -could be. I have read/heard some real nightmare stories about living with the current Punto, though - or do you mean the MK1 version? I think each version - Mk1, Mk2 and Grande - have done well in reviews when they first came out. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: DaveGibson wrote: Ferraris have never done anything for me but, then, in my early car appreciating years, from winning Le Mans in 1965 and Niki Lauda arriving in 1975, they hardly won anything. As far as road cars were concerned, the Lamborghini Miura was much more exciting than Ferrari's offerings of the time. The first year I really started following F1 was 1970, which was the year the first flat-12 Ferrari appeared. The first half of the season was a steep learning curve as the car was very fast but unreliable, but in the second half, they got it sorted, and Ickx was fairly dominant, in fact, following Rindt's tragic accident at Monza, he could have taken the title if he won the last three races. He did win two of them, and would probably have won the third if he hadn't had to stop to repair a fuel leak. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: I have never been a Ferrari fan, the fact that I like the 458 is more to do with the styling than anything concerning the marques history. The only reason I like the 500 Tributo Ferrari is because of what's been done to it, certainly not any association with Ferrari. Mind you if someone was to give me something with the prancing horse on from the thirties I wouldn't say no! I guess I have always been more of a Maserati fan, whose cars have (imho) ranged from the miserable to the magical. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: I always loved the Maseratis of the 1960s and 1970s, and from the 3200GT to now, but I more or less gave up on them in the Biturbo years. Back to top Eff One Petrolhead My Car: Sweet FA Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 2420 Location: Southampton Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Perhaps it's in our nature to be stuck on the Ferraris of our yoof. For all its foibles I've always thought the 512TR a magnificent thing, and I still consider the F355 the most beautiful of all modern Ferraris. For me, those cars are special; the models that followed seem dliuted somehow. _________________ "Racing is life. Everything before and after is just waiting." Steve McQueen Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: I've always liked the 308GT4. It's not far short of the 308 in terms of styling and it's 1,000,000 times better than the Mondial. I reckon the reason it gets a bad press is simply who designed it, i.e. NOT Pininfarina, rather than what it looks like. I've got to say Ferrari owners put me off a lot as well. From the ones I've seen at car shows they fall into 2 main camps :- 1) The 30 something guys with a shaved head who you just know would drive a Lancer Evo if they didn't have as much money. 2) The 50+ brigade sometimes seen wearing cords but at car shows they'll be decked out in their Ferrari branded gear. That's fairly petty I suppose. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: I know what you mean, Tim, though in answer to point 2, I'd say that nothing shows you DON'T drive a Ferrari like wearing branded gear! Type 1 is definitely correct though - one essential quality for ownership is that your neck is wider than your head. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: .....though in answer to point 2, I'd say that nothing shows you DON'T drive a Ferrari like wearing branded gear! I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I'm the owner of a BRIGHT RED Ferrari jacket, kindly bought a few Christmases ago by my in-laws. They mistakenly assumed that because I like cars and motorsport I'd simply lurve a Ferrari jacket It's almost fluorescent but at least it's warm in the winter on those rare occasions when I have to wear it. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Wasn't there a guy on the old Autocar forum who actually had a Ferrari? It was a 208 GT4 (tax-dodging Italian market model) IIRC. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Yeah Dan someone or other. I think he had a 928 with a bust engine as well. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: I have actually driven a 308 GT4. Round the car park of a pub... The only impression I got was that I needed to do a lot of work on my left thigh muscles. The clutch was a tad heavy. The owner was a '2' on Tim's scale of Ferrari owners - actually a blueprint for a '2'. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:35 am    Post subject: The GT4 is actually one of my favourite Ferraris. Bertone had that 1970s wedge look better than anyone else, and so the GT4 is like a slightly better resolved version of the Uracco. My other favourite obscure Ferrari is the 365GTC/4 from the early 1970s: Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:36 am    Post subject: Gurney wrote: The owner was a '2' on Tim's scale of Ferrari owners - actually a blueprint for a '2'. Last time I saw a 355 on the road it was at a petrol station and the owner was wearing dark blue cords and a blue checked shirt. I drove a 308 once but it's owner fell into neither category being an attractive young lady with a slim neck. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: I have a bit of a dillema at the moment. I want/need a Netbook for sofa surfing. The only one that fits my needs is this. http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/ga...is-acers-ferrari-notebook-the-one Nooooooo! Christ I would even buy one in pink just to avoid being a Ferrari branded plonker. Hopefully someone will bring something out with similar spec before I crack. Not that I would tell you lot if I did. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2305 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Gurney wrote: I have a bit of a dillema at the moment. I want/need a Netbook for sofa surfing. The only one that fits my needs is this. http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/ga...is-acers-ferrari-notebook-the-one Nooooooo! Christ I would even buy one in pink just to avoid being a Ferrari branded plonker. Hopefully someone will bring something out with similar spec before I crack. Not that I would tell you lot if I did. It's not a netbook (edit - it is I suppose)? Tis small though - but at that money I'd just buy a proper full blown laptop. A lot of it's spec is optional, too. Last edited by Mark on Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:17 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Get a Mac. Which is also the solution for those who want a 458 ... Back to top Turbonutter Petrolhead My Car: Ford Sierra/BMW 328i/Mini Cooper S Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 1360 Location: Shropshire Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: TimR wrote: When was the last time anybody saw an early '80s Honda, Nissan or BMW? I'll have to cheat a bit here because most mornings  I see an X-reg E21 BMW Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: I need 'small' so a conventional lappie is no use. The base spec of the Acer is just fine, way quicker than any Netbook as it is. The much rumoured Apple web tablet is of great interest - if indeed it isn't just vapourware, all the other Macs are way too expensive/powerful for what I need - sadly. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top DaveGibson Supercharged My Car: Lexus IS250 SE-I Auto. Triumph TR7V8 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5457 Location: Worcestershire Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Gurney wrote: .........   Mind you if someone was to give me something with the prancing horse on from the thirties I wouldn't say no!......... One thing is for certain, if you found a thirties car with a prancing horse, it wouldn't be a Ferrari, because Scuderia Ferrari raced Alfa Romeos before WW2.. They didn't start making cars until 1947. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: DaveGibson wrote: Gurney wrote: .........   Mind you if someone was to give me something with the prancing horse on from the thirties I wouldn't say no!......... One thing is for certain, if you found a thirties car with a prancing horse, it wouldn't be a Ferrari, because Scuderia Ferrari raced Alfa Romeos before WW2. I think that was what he meant ... Back to top DaveGibson Supercharged My Car: Lexus IS250 SE-I Auto. Triumph TR7V8 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5457 Location: Worcestershire Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Gurney wrote: I need 'small' so a conventional lappie is no use. The base spec of the Acer is just fine, way quicker than any Netbook as it is......... I've mentioned in another thread that I'm thinking about replacing this PC, which is now nearly eight years old. I was curious about the relative speed of the AMD Athlon 1700+ I have now with the usual Intel Atom 270 that you fine in almost all netbooks. Having found a comparison chart, it transpires that they are almost the same. Back to top franki68 Petrolhead Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 2382 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Never ever liked ferraris or a lot of the people who have them.I would always take a porker or a lambo over a ferrari anytime. My view has entirely changed since I drove the 430,it may not be as pretty as a gallardo,but it stirs the soul in a way no other car I have ever driven matches. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: DaveGibson wrote: Gurney wrote: .........   Mind you if someone was to give me something with the prancing horse on from the thirties I wouldn't say no!......... One thing is for certain, if you found a thirties car with a prancing horse, it wouldn't be a Ferrari, because Scuderia Ferrari raced Alfa Romeos before WW2. I think that was what he meant ... I read a classic car mag article about a pre-war Alfa Monza and the first half of the story was about how the team had been run by Ferrari and wasn't he great, etc. Drove me mad. It wouldn't have done so well if the cars had been shite even if he was still in charge. The Lancia article in Classic Cars this month pissed me off because the cock who owns the Stratos has spoiled it by putting massive Prancing Horse shields on the doors. Wanker. I think I need to go and lie down now Back to top scamper Supercharged My Car: MINI One. Skoda Fabia 1.4 Classic. Mark 1 MX5 1.8iS Impreza 2.0 Sportwagon GX Sport Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 5070 Location: Brum Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: The only ferrari i've driven are a 360 and what i think was a 328 or even a 308 - both just a few laps round a track.  The 360 was increadibly easy to drive quickly, but the 328 i could not see what all the fuss was about - not very quick and awful driving position.  Good looking car though. Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Sticking a prancing horse on the flanks of a Stratos is cockery of the highest degree A Stratos need pay homage to know other car or maker, it is what it is and that is more than enough. And that's enough philosophising. I did mean a thirties Alfa btw. Make mine an 8c 2.3, bodywork by Touring please.http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=10253&iDNumID=394 Particularly love the way the spare wheels are faired in, brilliant. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Matt Nuclear My Car: Astra Coupe 1.8 SE2 Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 12018 Location: Plymouth, UK Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: No complaints about the Bertone 308 from me. I'm oddly proud that my car was put together in Italy. _________________ Small car, big heart. 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