The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Join! (free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The sensible decision?          The Motor Forum Forum Index -> Your Cars View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rodge Turbocharged My Car: Needs a service Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4367 Location: Schmocation. Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: The sensible decision? I'm looking at cars again. I've decided I'm going to be sensible for the moment. I've lost my job and need to change so I want to get a family sized car with a diesel engine that will actually move it reasonably quickly. Yesterday I saw a 320D Touring with toys and leather included. it was on 17"s I think and looked tidy, it's the current model on a 2005 plate. I also saw a Mondeo ST TDCi 2.2 with a fraction of the mileage but for similar money, the Mondy is a year younger. I want a car that will handle well but it needs to be practical. I've decided against a bigger engine as the tax will be very high here and I'm saving by getting rid of my 2.5. Opinions from anyone who's driven both are appreciated. I've only driven the Mondeo with the 2.0 TDCi and it wasn't bad, but haven't driven the 320d. I loved the 530d I drove earlier this year but that won't happen now. Bear in mind that I will probably chip whatever car I end up with as I'll want more speed out of it anyway...... _________________ http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm...ds.individual&VideoID=2869045 Back to top "him" Turbocharged My Car: is 'wikkid innit' & '04 Scenic Dynamique Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4860 Location: Cornwall Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: The Mondeo for me  (so that probably means you should go for the BMW!)   An '06 would be previous shape model I assume, that is a good thing IMO. _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du Cost him a fortune. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top DradusContact Turbocharged My Car: MG ZS 180 Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 4669 Location: North-West Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: When Alastair's mondeo's clutch went he found the value of the car had dropped to less than the cost of getting the clutch fitted, consquently he flogged it.  Its quite common i think, the clutch is a super electronic thing thats not cheap to replace. _________________ Back to top Racing Twin-charged My Car: Z1, 135i Coupe and E500. Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 9647 Location: Work Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Old-shape 330d Touring? Had dinner last night with an acquaintance who drives one in MSport trim and noted that it still looks jolly smart. _________________ Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2303 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Gurney wrote: Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du Cost him a fortune. This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road. Back to top "him" Turbocharged My Car: is 'wikkid innit' & '04 Scenic Dynamique Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4860 Location: Cornwall Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Mark wrote: This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road. Indeed, the 330d will have one too, as do 320d's. This is how they work - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnaXB8q3uzQ Another "improvement" no-one asked for in my mind! _________________ Remember - A gym without chalk is a heath spa... Back to top Bob Sacramento Petrolhead My Car: Lexus IS250 SE Auto & FIAT 500 1.2 Lounge Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 1880 Location: Newcastle Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: So it's a toss up of the Mondeo with its dodgy dual mass flywheel or a BMW with their well known turbo blowing problems. I'd probably still have the Beemer and cross my fingers. _________________ Keep Calm & Carry On. Back to top Turbonutter Petrolhead My Car: Ford Sierra/BMW 328i/Mini Cooper S Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 1360 Location: Shropshire Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change ) Back to top gonnabuildabuggy Turbocharged My Car: E36 328 & '90 Golf GTI for a while Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4669 Location: Nr. Milton Keynes, Roundabout City Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Turbonutter wrote: Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change ) I think Rodge said it's an E90 (current model) so the swirl flap issues should be OK, I think the rest still relevant. Were it me I;d be tempted to hold off until I knew my future situation as then you might want to splash a bit more. Early 330d hasn't got swirl flap problem, cheap as chips and fast enough. _________________ Aint no substitute for cubic inches. Back to top Turbonutter Petrolhead My Car: Ford Sierra/BMW 328i/Mini Cooper S Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 1360 Location: Shropshire Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: gonnabuildabuggy wrote: Turbonutter wrote: Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change ) I think Rodge said it's an E90 (current model) so the swirl flap issues should be OK, I think the rest still relevant. Oops my mistake   I just saw the 05 reg bit and assumed it was an E46...carry on! Back to top Gurney Turbocharged My Car: Town = fortwo. Country = 156 GTA Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4102 Location: Here be dragons. Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Mark wrote: Gurney wrote: Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du Cost him a fortune. This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road. This is indeed true, it affects Toyotas and to a lesser extent Vauxhalls badly too. People keep telling me the 3 series outsells the Mundano but you still tend to hear of only turbo problems on the 3 series diesels. Rather telling that you can only get a 'non dual mass' flywheel kit for the Ford though. My mate suffered the complete and utter disinterest of his local Ford stealer (it was of course just out of warranty) it also tatered the clutch at the same time so a nice wallet double whammy. He is now Zafira mounted, seems happy enough so far. _________________ A Gentleman: Def: A male of the species who can play the Trombone. But refrains from doing so. Back to top Martin Supercharged My Car: BMW 520d M Sport & MINI Clubman Cooper S Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5351 Location: Swindon Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: The ST is the only Mondeo I like, but it would still have to be the 320d. _________________ Back to top Mark Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar X-Type 2.0d Sport Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2303 Location: Yorkshire Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Is the cost to change worth the better fuel economy? As good as a (E90) 320d is; a (E46) 325i is probably still better? Better the devil you know and all that. Back to top Guitar Zero Turbocharged My Car: Monkey spunk moped Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 3323 Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Are you taxed on carbons or just pure engine size ? V70 D5 185 manual is the top kiddy if you want beef, quality and estatery. _________________ Previous convictions : 2006 Focus ST 2.5 2001 BMW 520i 2002 Focus 2.0 zetec 1999 Fiat Punto Back to top Rodge Turbocharged My Car: Needs a service Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4367 Location: Schmocation. Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Guitar Zero wrote: Are you taxed on carbons or just pure engine size ? V70 D5 185 manual is the top kiddy if you want beef, quality and estatery. Carbons if the car is '08 or newer, CC on anything older than that. It's €935 for a years tax for mine now and with diesel being 20% cheaper here now too, it makes alot of sense. I also want something with a bigger boot as I find that I miss having a proper rear hatch to fit things into. I didn't even think of the Volvo. I'll have to have a look at that too. _________________ http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm...ds.individual&VideoID=2869045 Back to top Frank Bullitt Turbocharged My Car: Audi A2 View My Motor: . Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 2615 Location: The edge of civilisation Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Gurney wrote: Mark wrote: Gurney wrote: Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du Cost him a fortune. This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road. This is indeed true, it affects Toyotas and to a lesser extent Vauxhalls badly too. People keep telling me the 3 series outsells the Mundano but you still tend to hear of only turbo problems on the 3 series diesels. Rather telling that you can only get a 'non dual mass' flywheel kit for the Ford though. My mate suffered the complete and utter disinterest of his local Ford stealer (it was of course just out of warranty) it also tatered the clutch at the same time so a nice wallet double whammy. He is now Zafira mounted, seems happy enough so far. It's a problem on VAG TDI's too - I know a fair few A2 TDI 90 owners who've had to replace the dual-mass flywheel and clutch; my '75' has a normal (single mass?) flywheel. As for the question, buy the BMW _________________ Shame your mind don't shine like your possessions Back to top Chris M Wants a V-10 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Galaxy Ghia TDI Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2220 Location: Somewhere in a Galaxy near Camberley, Surrey Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: I recently handed back my parents V70 D5 when they returned from holiday. It's a 163 BHP auto version rather than the later 185 and it goes like stink if you floor it.  (I've driven a couple of 185 versions and they can get almost ballistic if you use the accelerator pedal "correctly" !) However the downside is that it is somewhat thirsty.......... _________________ Papped by Paul; London 2008-09-27 Back to top Guitar Zero Turbocharged My Car: Monkey spunk moped Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 3323 Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Yeah, 45 mpg is a real pisser _________________ Previous convictions : 2006 Focus ST 2.5 2001 BMW 520i 2002 Focus 2.0 zetec 1999 Fiat Punto Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Motor Forum Forum Index -> Your Cars All times are GMT + 1 Hour Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum The Motor----------------Welcome to the MotorGeneralOn the RoadNew Cars and ConceptsYour CarsTest DrivenClassic CarsForum DiaryClassic Cars: Potted History Guides Motor World----------------In the MagsClassified InformationRacing PostsShow TimeBikesTrack DaysWay Back When Pit Stop----------------GamesPhotographyThe LoungeMummy and Daddy CornerAuto-JournalsTop Five or PollThe Best of the Motor  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group