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Guitar Zero · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: Autocar shite fountain

We want scrappage, scrappage is ace, lets have a page of the magazine begging for scrappage.

.......a few months later....

Boo hoo, boo hoo - looks what's been scrapped, what a waste !!!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/243548/

Cuuuuuuunnnnnnts.

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BeN · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

I see a Suzuki X90. No bad thing that one was scrapped.
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Nice Guy Eddie · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:14 am Post subject:

Yes, I had forgotten they had taken all the praise for the Scrappage scheme having been introduced.
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Twelfth Monkey · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject:

Bit harsh, I think.
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PG · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject:

Actually GZ they did another one this week that made me go "oh dear". In the group test with the 5 series and the XF recently, they said that the new E class had a ride like smooth honey and was the winner of the test, almost on the strength of the ride quality This week the ride of their new E class (that has replaced the E coupe) was described, under ride quality as "not uncomfortable, but just a little too fussy for an E class".

Well make your fuckin' mind up guys.

tali · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject:

DaveGibson · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject:

I remember when the Rover 75 came out and they said at the start of the test it wasn't meant to be a sports saloon so they wouldn't test it as such.

Then, of course, they criticised it for not being a sports saloon.

Do you think they're noticing the effects of older age now and they've changed their view?

Whatever it is the personnel at the magazine don't seem to be doing a very good job and are ludicrously inconsistent on many issues (apart from generally not liking Alfas, MiTo Multiair excepted).

PG · Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject:

Turbonutter · Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject:

Frank Bullitt · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Autocar shite fountain

Guitar Zero · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject:

Just to add to the e-class bumblery - note the quote from a Allan someone that in his opinion - the Merc six pot diesel isn't a patch on the BMW and Jaguar units.

Hmmm - whereas Frankel stated in no uncertain terms that it was the Mercedes unit that was superior to the Beemer and Shagwaaah engines.

Now - whilst journalists are entitled to their opinion and there is an element of subjectivity in every road test, how can it be acceptable to have two completely contrary opinions made by " experts " in the same magazine at roughly the same time. Surely it completely negates the validity of any road test conclusion simply because the result would have been completely different if someone else had written the review.

Personally, if I was writing an article in Autowipe - I would only want to compare apples with apples. There seems little point whittering on about handling and ride quality when one car is on 19s, the other is a wanky sport model with 18s and Mercedes have sent an SE spec car equipped with rimmage so small that the wheel nazis would rather mince their dicks with a tenderising hammer than be seen driving it.
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Matt · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:

I thought the E-class looked OK with small wheels, but the XF is too modern blancmange to pull off small wheels, just like countless modern cars.
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gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject:

oddly my boss has just acquired an a6 on 19"s which actually look too big for it.
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Turbonutter · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:53 am Post subject:

Guitar Zero · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

Surely then, the only reasonable way to adjudicate in such instances is to have comparison tests conducted by 4 or 5 road testers and they come to a concensed opinion that becomes the default editorial position.

Subjectivity should be ironed out as much as possible - otherwise why bother ?. It's fine if you only ever have one Jedi master road tester, but when you have so many opinions you end up with one car being the best and worst in the class at the same time - which is clearly bollocks. Good job I don't work in PR or I'd be giving Chas Hallett a proper earful.

What's even worse is when one journalist is consistently unconsistent - the worst offender being Chris Harris.
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2006 Focus ST 2.5
2001 BMW 520i
2002 Focus 2.0 zetec
1999 Fiat Punto

Twelfth Monkey · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: