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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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The high mileage cars segment was well done although that V70 must have had the airbags disabled to take that shunt without deployment.


I suspect that all had airbags disconnected to avoid them being triggered in transport (possibly the batteries were disconnected for the journey anyway) and because of the rough terrain they would be driving over, plus the way that they (and Clarkson et al beforehand) seem to enjoy driving into each other on their trips - which to me spoils the whole thing.  The Merc and the V70 had been around for many years and appeared in decent nick yet within a few hours the lads had wrecked them.... I've not got to the prog end yet, about half way through on i-player
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great return to form last night. Rory seems the most natural presenter, Chris Harris was trying a bit too hard and just needs to relax, LeBlanc has the acting skills to be good lead anchor but has to stop clapping his hands together at the end of every sentence.

Photography and script wise it was well up to standard. What did Andy Wilman do again?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good start, enjoyed that a lot.  I thought Harris had a fall out with Ferrari or vice versa? And is Evans involved with TG in any way at all now?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked the mag to see if he had a column in there. Answer is no. There is a 791,000 watch, though!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoyed it a lot. Return to form imHO
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't see much evidence of chemistry.

MLB was dryly amusing as usual but Harris was a bit of a tit (and MLB knows it). He's obviously desperate to prove he is " the hand " on the show and his comments to James McAvoy " that's not you saving the slide, it's the car " seemed completely unnecessary and git worthy in that particular context.

If it is scripted, then Matt gets the only funny lines.


I can only agree with this. The show was good - plenty of dicking about (as it should be) and great visuals - but Harris has a long way to go before he is a worthy presenter.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put Harris in a car and he is excellent ,put him in a studio and he is garbage.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Put Harris in a car and he is excellent ,put him in a studio and he is garbage.


Yes, when he's by himself and talking to the camera in one of his videos he's fine. He just seems to struggle with interacting with others and doing the blokey banter stuff.

I'm suspecting only child and boarding school.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Put Harris in a car and he is excellent ,put him in a studio and he is garbage.


In a car on his own!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was great. Not perfect but far better than it has been for a long time, which also means it was better (by a long chalk) than Grand Tour too.

Loved the FXXK piece, but then I love the FXXK, despite not liking the Laferrari. Giantette No1 wandered in during that section and was spellbound: "Daddy, is that a car?! That is the fastest looking car I've EVER seen in the whole entire world".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admittedly, I haven't watched any of the Evans-era TG except for the disastrous first episode, so I went into this new season on a clean slate with no expectations.

I think the chemistry between the new trio still needs work but it shows promise. They seemed better in the film than in the studio, and Rory's inexperience with TV is still noticeable as it looks like he's trying a bit too hard. Harris is a bit of a tit but when he's with the others he manages to reel it in. I'm sure they'll all get better with time.

The film was pretty good actually, but I think it would have worked better as a slightly more in-depth episode-long special. The star in car segment is still the weakest link and something I think they should really consider killing off.

Overall, not all that great but definitely promising.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Admittedly, I haven't watched any of the Evans-era TG except for the disastrous first episode, so I went into this new season on a clean slate with no expectations.

I think the chemistry between the new trio still needs work but it shows promise. They seemed better in the film than in the studio, and Rory's inexperience with TV is still noticeable as it looks like he's trying a bit too hard. Harris is a bit of a tit but when he's with the others he manages to reel it in. I'm sure they'll all get better with time.

The film was pretty good actually, but I think it would have worked better as a slightly more in-depth episode-long special. The star in car segment is still the weakest link and something I think they should really consider killing off.

Overall, not all that great but definitely promising.


Having forked out for a new-ish GT86 I doubt that'll happen! I actually thought that segment was better than in 3-amigo TG, latterly at least, and planets ahead of the last series. Harris did come across as a bit of a tit in that segment especially I thought, with his "the car saved that" litany.

James McAvoy grew up in one of the roughest areas in Glasgow (Drumchapel, right next door to where JohnC lives!) so perhaps not someone to 'wind up' lightly!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno. It just came across as a bit ill-fitting in contrast with the other segments, and none of them looked particularly comfortable on the couch.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James McAvoy showed great restraint in not punching Harris clean through the passenger window.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched this morning. Needs a little polish, but better than almost anything the other three ever did, bar the Vietnam special which was rather... special.

Still haven't bothered with that Grand Tour shite.
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The high mileage cars segment was well done although that V70 must have had the airbags disabled to take that shunt without deployment.


At least this was, or certainly looked like, a genuine crash - crashing into each other was just one of the many jokes that had become so tedious with the old Top Gear.

I agree about the chemistry - they look like blokes who wouldn't normally hang out together and the banter feels very forced.  But Harris' presentation skills have come on by miles from how excruciatingly bad he was when he first did the Autocar videos - if you don't have the presentation skills you're better being wooden than trying to look like you're a member of the local amateur dramatics club.
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Still haven't bothered with that Grand Tour shite.


I've watched the first couple of episodes, courtesy of my Brother-In-Law, and have to say that they were probably enhanced by having my 12 week old niece in the area demanding attention from all the adults.

It's not as excrutiating as I thought it would be but there are a lot of parallels with the same mob from their TG days.

I would love to have the bit of ground their new track is at though - I reckon I could fill those hangars with crap cars very quickly.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the first TG last night I'd watched since the Clarkson days.  Have to say MLB seems a surprisingly  pretty good likable presenter to me.
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I like the new studio, it reflects the branding of the magazine much more and looks less thrown together like the old one did.
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I think you either have chemistry or you don't,you can't manufacture it which is what they seem to be trying to do.
And I'm already fed up of Chris Harris going sideways,it's an obsession at the moment and irrelevant to 99% of viewers.

I'm watching it for the cars now,I used to watch it to see 3 men behave like 8 year olds.

Not sure if that's good or bad.
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I think you either have chemistry or you don't


There's been plenty of films/TV shows over the years where the on screen chemistry has been great but we've found out that the actors secretly hated each other. Guess you need good actors though!
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I'm watching it for the cars now,I used to watch it to see 3 men behave like 8 year olds.

Not sure if that's good or bad.


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I'm watching it for the cars now,I used to watch it to see 3 men behave like 8 year olds.

Not sure if that's good or bad.


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On mainstream TV forever. No one watched them.

Fortunately, there are enough minor channels now searching for an audience that any minority interest can be catered for,
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franki68 wrote:

I'm watching it for the cars now,I used to watch it to see 3 men behave like 8 year olds.

Not sure if that's good or bad.


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On mainstream TV forever. No one watched them.

Fortunately, there are enough minor channels now searching for an audience that any minority interest can be catered for,


Indeed, plenty of 'serious' content online, may be one of us should invent an app to find it...
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Cardigans and beards do not good car TV shows make. Explosions and copious dicking around do.

Still no sign of any chemisty, or any charisma on Harris' part. Yes, he's handy behind the wheel (When he's not smashing 60k of Alfa into the scenery), but he is not a presenter. Someone is going to chin him soon if he keeps talking to the guests the way he does. Most of them are probably patently aware that the ESP is doing all the work, they're not wheelsmith Queefs like he is.
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I think you either have chemistry or you don't,


I haven't watched TG for probably 10 years but have now seen the first 2 episodes of the Grand Tour.
I'd say Franki's comment above applies to that as much as anything else.

Richard Hammond still reminds me of a little puppy trying to please its master.
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Someone is going to chin him soon if he keeps talking to the guests the way he does. Most of them are probably patently aware that the ESP is doing all the work, they're not wheelsmith Queefs like he is.


Toned down last night and an "ask" to be nicer to the guests. Feel he will drop the act pretty soon. Well, at least I hope so!
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franki68 wrote:

I'm watching it for the cars now,I used to watch it to see 3 men behave like 8 year olds.

Not sure if that's good or bad.


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Loads of car programmes I still enjoy, but they don't have enough general appeal to find their way onto the terrestrial channels.

The TG / GT format was a breath of fresh air in 2002 - 15 years on we need a fresh idea again - not sure what though - after all there are only so many ways to crack an egg - I'd sooner the current three did something more like 5th Gear to be honest where the lack of presenting skills and lack of chemistry don't show so much and there's more car content - I suspect that doesn't generate enough of an audience though.
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The trouble with Fifth Gear was that it was too much like Old, old Top Gear. And not in a good way. And it had Quentin Wilson(oilier than a Morris Marina owner's driveway).  I still watched it though.
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The trouble with Fifth Gear was that it was too much like Old, old Top Gear. And not in a good way. And it had Quentin Wilson(oilier than a BMW X5 owner's driveway). I still watched it though.


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I like Harris telling the guests they're not very good and DT seemed to give as good as he got. This series is so much better than it ever was and the fact that they leave the fuck ups in is a good thing. Clarkson used to spin cars more than he drifted them, but it was all edited to make him look like a driving god. That bring on the wall bit just showed how many takes are really required to make something look good.
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I agree with Simon, these first two episodes have been better than it (& GT) has been for a very long time. The hole in the wall bit was genuine, not a forced/fake error like we've seen for far too long. I thought the chemistry was perfectly acceptable too, both Rory and MLB seem to revel in mocking CH.
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Really enjoyed it.
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Enjoyed it too. I didn't think the banter between the three presenters seemed at all forced but maybe I'm judging it differently. Agree that Chris Harris is perhaps treading a fine line between the celebrity guest taking a joke or wanting to wollop him, but his presenting style is otherwise coming along well.
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PhilD wrote:
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Someone is going to chin him soon if he keeps talking to the guests the way he does. Most of them are probably patently aware that the ESP is doing all the work, they're not wheelsmith Queefs like he is.


Toned down last night and an "ask" to be nicer to the guests. Feel he will drop the act pretty soon. Well, at least I hope so!


Notable that the guests so far have been actors, so they can presumably ham up the indignation / reactions to CH anyway. Maybe it's a reciprocal agreement - Harris coaches them round the track, they help him act out / tone down his role for those scenes and in the studio.

(obviously that won't be the case when they get a non-actor on - Ed Sheeran, Fiona Bruce, Ben Affleck...)
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No one is getting onto that GT86 without being fully aware of how Harris is going to play it. It's a scripted show.

It's like sitting in the front row of a Frankie Boyle show  - you know you're going to be the target of his humour.
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The trouble with Fifth Gear was that it was too much like Old, old Top Gear. And not in a good way. And it had Quentin Wilson(oilier than a Morris Marina owner's driveway). I still watched it though.


Quentin Wilson on Fifth Gear? - that must have been an old one - I'm thinking of how it was towards the end of the run with Tiff and Plato racing each other, some of the stuff that Jonny Smith did such as the world's fastest accelerating road car, the 120mph Focus crash etc
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I dunno. I'm still not warming to it. Harris' Giulia piece seemed to be channelling a bit too much Clarkson with his overly-dramatic exclamations. And that drifting through the wall piece, what was that about? Seemed rather pointless IMO.

I hope the three don't fall back into the trap of ending up being characters, much like the old trio was.
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We both enjoyed it again, it's not perfect and hopefully will improve further, but it's an enjoyable hour of TV.
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Anything motoring which makes it on to our screens is better than nothing in my opinion. TG is far from perfect but it is perfectly watchable.

Does CH just put on a white suit and morph into the Stig or do they have someone else?
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Anything motoring which makes it on to our screens is better than nothing in my opinion. TG is far from perfect but it is perfectly watchable.

Does CH just put on a white suit and morph into the Stig or do they have someone else?


I assumed it would be CH, why would they pay someone else to be an anonymous driver when he's there and available?
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I dunno. I'm still not warming to it. Harris' Giulia piece seemed to be channelling a bit too much Clarkson with his overly-dramatic exclamations. And that drifting through the wall piece, what was that about? Seemed rather pointless IMO.

I hope the three don't fall back into the trap of ending up being characters, much like the old trio was.


Drifting through the silhouette thing was purely to show how good a driver ch is.
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I dunno. I'm still not warming to it. Harris' Giulia piece seemed to be channelling a bit too much Clarkson with his overly-dramatic exclamations. And that drifting through the wall piece, what was that about? Seemed rather pointless IMO.

I hope the three don't fall back into the trap of ending up being characters, much like the old trio was.


Drifting through the silhouette thing was purely to show how good a driver ch is.


But it went went wrong and they showed it doing so. Was a far more genuine (and enjoyable) piece than any of the contrived japes the old trio got up to.
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I dunno. I'm still not warming to it. Harris' Giulia piece seemed to be channelling a bit too much Clarkson with his overly-dramatic exclamations. And that drifting through the wall piece, what was that about? Seemed rather pointless IMO.

I hope the three don't fall back into the trap of ending up being characters, much like the old trio was.


Drifting through the silhouette thing was purely to show how good a driver ch is.


But it went went wrong and they showed it doing so. Was a far more genuine (and enjoyable) piece than any of the contrived japes the old trio got up to.


I think I agree with that perspective. I think you're being a bit cynical Franki!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought last night's episode was excellent, up there with the best of the non-specials Top Gear of the past. Matt LeBlanc seems to have hit presenting stride, Harris is less hyper (maybe they've upped his medication), and Rory looks very comfortable. All the filmed elements were good although I'd maybe drop the short VTs of stuff being destroyed, it was a bit forced.

The other 3 leaving has worked out well as we've now got two good motoring shows out of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Aston piece was very good , Leblanc was excellent, didn't like the muck spreader bit but overall was a good episode.
TalkIng of TGT Hammond had a bad accident again Filming for new series.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't enjoy last nights as much as the first 2 episodes.   I agree that their presenting skills are improving, but I didn't like the Aston film, apart from some of the scenery.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought it was a great episode.

Loved the Aston bit even though the bond thing has been done to death. Some seriously impressive driving on display. Anyone know where it was filmed?

Great bit on the Golf and using Sabine tactically makes more sense than having her on permanently.

Less said about the farming trailer thing the better but Tamsin Greig was a great guest.
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Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Thought it was a great episode.

Loved the Aston bit even though the bond thing has been done to death. Some seriously impressive driving on display. Anyone know where it was filmed?



I believe that was in Montenegro - the supposed setting for Bond's Casino Royale.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm underwhelmed by the Aston to be honest - I still can't get on with that strake/vent behind the front wheel. Still, at least they used an orchestrated version of the best Bond theme since View To A Kill to accompany it.

I don't get the point of the Golf. Surely, if you had 34k to spend and had to buy a Golf, you'd buy a Golf R? When is the Nurburgerkingringstingadingaling time going to make any difference? Only when you're swinging your cock down at the pub with all the other track whore bandits you clearly hang around with if you own such a vehicle.

I enjoyed the muck spreader part. Seeing the force that seat was pounded through it....


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