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SpecB · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject:

That might be the gross vehicle weight which is the maximum fully loaded.

Edit: Kerb weight of the new ones are 1560 (which is near enough what I thought) for the manual, 1570 for the auto and maximum weight 2050.
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Boxer6 · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject:

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Martin · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

Are you sure it's a 2.0TDI not a 1.9TDI? The 2.0TDI isn't the most refined diesel you can buy but it makes the 1.9 sound like a tractor.
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Driven both and can tell the difference. Not that stooooooooooopid.

Martin · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject:

PR · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject:

Never mind, Martin. I took Mike out in the 130i last week and even he conceded that it was 'quite good' or something like that!

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Martin · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

I've just been looking through the videos and there has been some rounding on some of the the times and a little cheating. I thought the rules were to hold it at 30 rather than let the speed drop a little and thus remove any lag from the equation? If not, I'm going to figure the Passat again and drop a few tenths!!

It's a bit sad, but according to the timing device I used, Frank Bullitt and Him have been rounding the times up, Mike and GZ have been rounding down, Dradus and Kraft are spot on.

FB's time in 4th is 8.6 and Mikes in 4th is 9.6, so not quicker than a 325i after all!! By my calculations, Him's time in 3rd is 5.0 sec so gets moved a couple of places up. The D5 is still very (surprisingly) quick, but 12th may be relieved to know that it's not quite as quick as his RS4! I get 5.9 in 4th and 4.7 in 3rd.

The answer is yes....I'm bored!
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"him" · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject:

Martin · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

I was using official timing by Nokia!!!

I might time the Passat again from about 25 and only start the clock at 30, because that rule was just put in to handicap the TDI boys!!!
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"him" · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject:

Martin · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject:

It takes a fraction of a second between pressing the throttle and getting maximum push in every diesel I've driven, (non turbo?) petrol engined cars obviously don't have that.

I don't mind the run to 100, providing it's done in the same gear, it's the starting from 20 I don't fancy!! 50-100 in 5th would be fine, but I would prefer 40-80/90 in 4th!
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Apex clipper · Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:35 am Post subject:

AHHHH!

It now becomes obviously clear that I should head the 5th gear table.

Rounding up..rounding down..willy waving...??

Tis just a bit of fun.

*I'd need to drop well below 30mph and a couple of gears to get anywhere near the top of the 5th gear chart.

I was honest and angelic in my timing...do I win owt? A pork pie?
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Apex clipper · Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:41 am Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:

I held the car at 30 and started the timing when I pressed the throttle.
I reckon that costs a few tenths compared with taking a run at it, especially for the turbo cars.

"him" · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

Er.
If you mean does it respond quicker to the throttle then yes as there's no turbo lag*.
It pulls hard from about 1500rpm but it doesn't really get into it's stride until you're past 3k revs.
I actually forgot to engage Sport mode when I did the acceleration runs.
It doesn't give you more power or anything but sharpens the throttle response and adds steering weight.

*Considering the Fiat came out about 12 years ago it's surprisingly un-laggy.

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Him, noticed a minor error with two of your graphs...which might upset someone!

The 3rd gear timings...i'm still below some people whom I faster than! Holy unfair.

But worse, you have labelled a certain BMW 325ti Sport Compact in Brown (For Diesel) and my own car in blue...

PR · Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject:

Guitar Zero · Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

I don't have a stop watch - I used the time code on the video which is only in whole seconds - although I did say it was four and a bit rather than 4 seconds dead.

Quibbling over accuracy in this thread is a daft for 2 reasons :

1) Without a Racelogic V-Box GPS unit, confirming the exact speed and time taken to accelerate between speeds is impossible.

2) Not everyone has posted a video - so a few timings have the potential to be even more inaccurate than those based on video footage.

If you want to make this as meaningful as possible - then only video submissions should be accepted and the timing based on video footage should be carried out by a single adjudicator.
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Jasper · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject:

Am I too late to join the fun?
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TimR · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject:

Nah get stuck in.

I was going to figure my courtesy car today but I got bored waiting for it

"him" · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject:

Jasper · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject:

Laddies and Gentlemen. I give you.........Volkswagen Transporter Sportline

Third gear and my reckoning 7 secs. Not bad for a van with about a second and a half of turbo lag.

"him" · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject:

That is good going... which engine does it have (no sound here in the office!)
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Jasper · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject:

174bhp and 295 lb/ft of torque. It's very addictive the massive wave for torque shoving you forward.
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Boxer6 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:

Is that the same van you had on Sunday, Jasper? Excellent time, whatever engine is in it!!
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Jasper · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject:

Yeah it was, just sorry I never had time to give you guys a spin in it.
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Apex clipper · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:39 am Post subject:

Excellent!

What figures are we doing in 2009 then? The first one to mention 5th get's a poke in the eye.

What about dithering along in 3rd at say..20mph..then seeing what the sandtimer murmers..at say a ton? Or 90..or even 50?

2nd gear....10> 50?
4th gear.. 40>110?

All power runs achieved on 'hims' exclusive test~track
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Martin · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject:

I got some times from the MINI last night on a fairly quiet stretch of dual carriageway. A 50 lepton limit, but it was fine......

Fairly surprised by some of the times, but it is lower geared than the 130 (and miles lower than the Passat!). I tried every gear a second time on the way back, but tried in 3 time in 3rd gear because it didn't seem right. (but it was). I don't know how long the over boost works for, that would be interesting to know. It certainly doesn't have any turbo lag, in sport mode it picks up instantly as soon as you touch the throttle.

It does support my thoughts about it being pretty much as quick as the 130 at low revs / low speeds, but if it was a 80/90+ test then a 130 would give it a sound thrashing.

It's done just over 3,000 miles and all the reports suggest they get faster as the miles go on, so I need to crack on!!

Anyway, the average times for the MINI Clubman Cooper S are as follows:

3rd - 4.0 secs
4th - 6.3 secs
5th - 8.6 secs
6th - 10.0 secs
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"him" · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:

Good times Martin, I will get these times (and the others above) on the table tonight... (and correct the blue/brown lines!)
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Martin · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject:

"him" · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject:

Jasper · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:40 am Post subject:

GonnaBreakABuggy · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:40 am Post subject:

Ah bugger that, launch the fuckers from a standstill to 100.

*Pats Kevlar clutch plate*

*Wonders if it'll get to 100...*

Jasper · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:40 am Post subject:

Yeah. If I can use Pats clutch I'll do it from a stand still too.
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SpecB · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:45 am Post subject:

I've yet to do a proper full bore start in mine in 30k miles. Planting right foot and simply dumping clutch seems so wrong mechanically despite Subaru limiting revs to 5k with the clutch down.
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GonnaBreakABuggy · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:25 am Post subject:

I can't just dump the clutch, I haven't got enough ponies!

4k slip for me

TimR · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:02 am Post subject:

GonnaBreakABuggy · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject:

It's quicker if you're only just slipping the wheels rather than a full-bore burnout.

But not as much fun.
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TimR · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject:

Dr. Hfuhruhurr · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject:

Finally had a go at this yesterday, but I think I'll need a camera and stopwatch to time it properly. Suffice to say 27 - 64 mph in third takes about three seconds, and fourth is about the same.

Blarno · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject:

I thought I was in 3rd, turns out I was in 4th.
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I did a 50-100mph run, in 5th Gear this morning. On "him"'s private test track.

Its a smouldering time that I think people will really sturggle to beat, especially the likes of Nick and Tweflth in their tarted up Beetles and Audi S-Lines (Respectively).

So, the time, a mind blowing earth shattering and universe warping time of:

20.36secs. And a big black cloud of soot to boot.

It needs a service (Genuinely is does) plus 5th is a very tall gear. If I dropped to Fourth and hoofed it I reckon it would see it in about 16/17secs.