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JohnC · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:09 am Post subject:

How did I miss this thread? I'll see what I can do over the next few days.
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JohnC · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:23 am Post subject:

I decided to come to work early this morning to get a good few runs back and forward between two roundabouts on a nicely deserted dual carriageway.

Try as I might I couldn't get a time for 4th or 5th gear without the box changing down - I could do a 4th gear time but only on about half throttle to start with.

Through the gears (2nd and 3rd with a change at about 56mph!) the best I could get was 3.98. I also had 4.10 and 4.14.

When I kept the car in 3rd though the times proved what I had always felt - I need to let the torque do the work. The best time I got for this run was 3.38 with a 3.41 and a 3.46 as back up.

I also did a 40 to 70 in 3rd which came in at 4.54
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Interesting times Martin for Patsy.

Having driven that hateful 2.0TDI Leon alot recently, it just doesn't feel any quicker than mine - which I would expect it to do given the power it should have (Don't think the 150 bhp fairy visited the engine that day...) plus the 6 ratios it has.

JohnC · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:

I was out this afternoon and had a few goes at a 30 to 60 time in 4th gear.

A couple of attempts had the box changing down to 3rd (30mph is about 1250rpm in 4th) but I did manage 2 times by gentle acceleration to about 40mph, then flooring it. I got a 5.78 and a 6.30.

I am sure I could beat that but finding a road quiet and flat enough AND getting the car going without changing down a gear is pretty difficult.

EDIT: Nailed it on the way home. 2 runs: 4.88 and 5.07

Don't know how you average that lot out but the acceleration on the last two felt so exponential - it's very addictive this.
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Still impressive times there...!

30-60 time tonight of 5.86 secs in 3rd. Quite chuffed with that to be honest.

PR · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject:

I'll have to see if I can extract some numbers from the 320d. On the basis that it felt no quicker than Tingtong I shall be interested to see what I find.
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But then nor does a Leon 2.0TDI and whilst the 3rd gear times from Patsy aren't much quicker, the 4th gear time is quite a bit quicker.

I would be interested too in the 320D times - had a blat with an A3 2.0TDI Sportback this morning and again it didn't pull away from me going from 20mph to 70mph. The black smoke was good though.

I do like that a 335D and a Volvo D5 are posting some of the quickest times though.

PR · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

The 335d is no surprise as it is probably the second most powerful car after The Beast and almost certainly the torquiest. Volvo is slightly more of a turn up for the books!

I can't remember if Martin has done the 130i as well as Patsy as I type? That should do quite well.

EDITED - yes Martin has and I also forgot Tim's M5 and Kraft's SL500 which are more powerful, plus of course franki's R8.
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Old age. Yes he has and with very good times too.

Guitar Zero · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject:

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"him" · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject:

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Meh!

Go alter my 30-60 time....

"him" · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject:

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Proper Job!

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"him" · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

PR · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

Very nice! I particularly like the suitably brown lines for the diesels, although I am duty bound to point out that Tingtong seems to have accidentally been given a blue line...

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"him" · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

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Nice graph none the less.

"him" · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject:

Fixed... and thanks!
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TimR · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject:

I know the times are the same but couldn't you put the Transit ahead of the Focus RS

Good to see you put the Luton bit in capitals

Apex clipper · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:28 am Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:37 am Post subject:

Not a Transit lover thank god just a regular house mover. I would rather've been driving the Focus (ANY Focus actually, even a stinky diesel).

TBH I'm quite surprised the Focus RS is so off boost in 5th. I mean my Fiat pisses all over it but has the same power from the same size engine. Weird.
What's the gearing in 5th?

Apex clipper · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:39 am Post subject:

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GonnaBreakABuggy · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:12 am Post subject:

Hmm, stuck the fouquet (red) and buggy (green) in for comparison - badly, with paint, but hey.

Ok, maybe the 2wd buggy wasn't as slow as I thought it was!

BeN · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

A graph!

"him", you haven't updated the latest time for the Corolla. It is now 12 seconds, which I suppose pushes it up the ladder a bit...
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JohnC · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:

I'm afraid my car just won't do 30mph in 5th. I need to be doing about 40mph before 5th is an option - it's not that the car won't pull from 1000rpm, it's just that it won't change up a gear unless it's doing more than 1500rpm.

If you coast and allow the speed to fall, the car will hold on to a higher gear below 1500rpm but accelerating nearly always results in it changing down.

When the car is over 1,500rpm it is very strong and from 1750rpm it just flies until it reaches about 4,400rpm when the urge slowly fades up to 5,000 where it's gone. In normal driving, keeping it between those bands isn't difficult and instant go is always on tap. However outwith those bands there is no denying that others are faster.

The lowish gearing of 1st and 2nd gears also make some of these tests difficult. The car is a rocket in 2nd gear but below 30mph it spins wheels and then runs out of puff on the red line at about 57/58mph but in reality it is quicker to change up at c50mph.
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simonp · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject:

I'll have to ask the Astra boys to get a remapped diesel's time to see what my old car would've done. I reckon it'll be a little too off-boost to do a really good time.

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Someone on the FFOC reckons they have 200bhp out of a 1.9CDTi 150hp?! Is this possible, they have a DTUK CRD remap I think.

Anyway: Is this cheating?

I started at 25mph in third, starte the stop wath when I hit 30mph and stopped it at 61mph. I got a time of 5.46secs. Am I allowd this?

"him" - can we have a judges decision? I think it should be, but for me only.

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PR · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

"him" · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

"him" · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

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Gays.

PR · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:18 am Post subject:

Loser
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Whats your 30-60 time! Ha.

PR · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:33 am Post subject:

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I was weilding the stopwatch. And I was accurate. Will you try it on a flat road next time or find another slope to do it on?

PR · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:44 am Post subject:

I saw you filling your coat pockets with lead and dumping a few sacks of cement in the boot. Don't think I didn't notice.

And the road went up as well as down - that was only fair compensation!
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SpecB · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

Just got around to doing this.

I haven't got a through the gears time yet but 5th took 11.24 and 6th took 13 for the manual SpecB.
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Martin · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject:

"him" · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

Martin · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:05 am Post subject:

It's the 140ps version. I'm sure you some engines are better than others, but the VAG 2.0TDI seems to be regularly more powerful than stated. There are a few graphs on the Internet showing 150-160hp from a standard engine.

The 170hp engine is a bit more 'peaky' than the 140, so may not be a great deal quicker anyway.
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Martin · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:11 am Post subject:

Mine is un-tuned but still gives out plenty of soot!!

Mind you, probably best to leave it standard as 'chipping' seems to slow the cars down!!
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PR · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:13 am Post subject:

This has been a great disappointment to me with the 320d - no great clouds of soot! Barely a grain, in fact.
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