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Nelson
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Mondeo ST 2.2 TDCi Reply with quote

well not exactly test driven as yet, but we are testing a 56 plate example Wednesday evening at the local Ford dealer.

We are looking to trade in our existing MINI Cooper for something more practical, frugal and quicker, so a reasonably sized turbo diesel engine seems to meet my requirements just right.

The car is a 5 door example in performance blue, recording 25000 miles on a 56 plate, with full service history, 1 owner (not a fleet driver, private owner), has all the ST spec, so heated seats, auto lights and wipers, half leather trim, CD autochanger, climate control air conditioning, red stitching to mark it out as the sporty model and is currently marked up at £11700.

The 2.2 litre diesel engine produces 155ps (153bhp) and about 300lb ft of torque which is more than ample, yet still being able to return 45mpg.

So I'm curious to know your thoughts on this type of car, your experiences of driving one (if you have) and what to look out for.

...there is a good reason why we are upgrading to a bigger car, but I'd have to kill you all if I told you !!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So when's the baby due?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
So when's the baby due?


I couldn't possibly say if your assumption is true or not Mike?  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had 3 of these , one in each bodystyle, a couple of years back.

45mpg is very achievable, and I reckon they are probably the best 'best real-world car' cars I have had. Quick enough, especially mid-range, to do anything you could sensible want to do, and also at home on motorways or b-roads. Taste is personal, but I think they look great too.

You might want to check 2.2 Titanium X prices as they could be cheaper and have more toys, but whatever you do bargain hard! A dealer I saw today could not get a 2007 ST220 underwritten by a trader even for £10K. TDCi's are obviously more attractive mpg and tax-wise, but values everywhere are on the floor.

I'm not aware of any reliability issues.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeaks1 wrote:
I had 3 of these , one in each bodystyle, a couple of years back.



You might want to check 2.2 Titanium X prices as they could be cheaper and have more toys, but whatever you do bargain hard! A dealer I saw today could not get a 2007 ST220 underwritten by a trader even for £10K. TDCi's are obviously more attractive mpg and tax-wise, but values everywhere are on the floor.

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The 2.2 GHIA X  will have more luxury than  Titanium X -which is a sporty spec
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly, but the trim in the Titanium is much, much, much, much much nicer.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, if you don't want trinkety shit - Ford offered the 2.2 puma diesel in boggo " edge " trim.

Aircon, cd player, crooze, 16 inch hoops.

My mate has a 55 plate ST TDCI in panther black. It has been faultlessly reliable and is ridiculously economical (49 mpg average) - looks awesome as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the new or previous Mondeo?
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CD132 - 2000 to 2007 model
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeaks1 wrote:
Possibly, but the trim in the Titanium is much, much, much, much much nicer.


totally agree

the trim is slightly darker than that in the Ghia X, plus you don't get the horrid wood trim.

The Titanium X is on my list too if we fail to find a suitable ST. I agree that the prices are lower, but sourcing one is difficult. I found one at a dealer in Shepshed, in the colour we wanted (Panther black) with 14000 miles on the clock for a 56 plate but it sold within 48 hours of being put on the pitch.

Have to say that I totally love the looks of the ST, sporty, yet understated, to me a very attractive car and a very desirable one too. Its my choice.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
Is this the new or previous Mondeo?


it is the prev gen Mondeo, on a 56 plate. My personal opinion is that is looks so much better than the current Mondeo, especially in ST trim.

The car we are testing is in Performance Blue, a popular colour, only available on ST trim.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the old one is a good looking car but the new one has grown on me a lot. I saw a black estate on large wheels and it looked really quite good. Not as showy as a lot of cars in its class, I think it will age well - as the previous model has.
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If this is the old shape Mondeo, then I drove one last year.... and I thought it was an absolutely cracking car....... they were quite expensive new, but otherwise, I only saw positives.

Be warned, Hertz had a lot of them, in black or blue, so just check its history!

There is a test report on the web-site. For some reason, I cannot load it at present, otherwise I would give you the link.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 2.0 TDCI Zetec S as a hire car once - superb car in every way. It had 18" wheels too, so was quite a looker. Though not compared to an ST in Performance Blue.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Colin.

I've been looking for some weeks for a suitable replacement that meets our needs, the Mondeo was top for everything we are looking for. I've contemplated and dismissed the following all for varying reasons:

Vauxhall Vectra CDTi 150 SRi or BTCC trim - poor reliability, awful gearbox, centre console design but scored highly on looks (with the VXR ex-pack fitted) and practicality.

Honda Accord CTDi - good looks, reliable but image let it down, plus we wanted a hatchback to increase access to the boot for getting stuff in and out. Prices for still quite steep though.

Mazda 6 Sport - odd ball choice, but wanted a diesel engine with a bit more shove, bland image, but one we did consider looking at

Skoda Octavia vRS - our second choice, this time in 2.0 197bhp turbo petrol trim instead of diesel. Great looks, superb space and pace, marred by a possible bland if sturdy interior and sadly for my fiancee the stigma of owning a Skoda (which wouldnt have bothered me). Plus, and this may sound silly, but we both want heated seats as a MUST and I don't think this was an option on the Skoda.

I know its the little things, but trim colour and spec are very important to us, we are after all investing a lot of money into a car, so we have to get everything we want.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't imagine you'd be disappointed with whatever Mondeo you got.

Have a look at www.availablecar.com - they've got a Titanium X and an ST, although they are more like mid £12k price wise.

The ST only has 7k miles though.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is what we are looking at, not this exact one though, but to give you an idea. I did contact Silverdale but they have yet to come back to me with a trade in price for our MINI.





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yep, couldn't agree more, just hope I can get one within budget, if not I will be seriously annoyed and gutted
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That's very nice. Does it have blue paint sprayed on the floor?
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Michael wrote:
That's very nice. Does it have blue paint sprayed on the floor?


great spot Michael, hadn't noticed that. I have read though that the footwell interior lighting is blue...could be wrong, but it would seem right given that the doors are open in that picture and there does seem to be a shadow on the pedals too
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one's a bit older but still quite low mileage and seems good value.

http://www.motorscoalville.co.uk/details.asp?carid=5641
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats a great spot. I'm not looking to pay too much more than that anyway for the 56 plate model I am looking at. Desirable, oh yes, but i can still arguably get a grand off the £11700 asking price I bet
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I personally loved every mondeo I have ever driven,and although I have not driven any of the newer ones ,from what I have read they have got bettter and better.
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Yummy! If I hadn't bought the Clio, a lovely black ST TDCi would be sat on my drive right now...
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You might even find one with the Recaro front seats. They are really lovely.
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I'd be having the Skoda from that lot for sure (and good that you considered the petrol - that VAG engine seems to have it's issues as well as beign rattly and the 2.0T is a hell of an economical engine for a 200bhp petrol), but I think the ST TDi Mondeo is a very tidy looking car that is supposed to drive well, so I think it's a good choice. Ought to be plenty about.

From the time we were seriously looking at a vRS I thought interior quality was very good, somewhat conservatively styled and lacking in FG (a bonus in both cases as our family car) but incredibly well screwed together and from decent materials too. All models of the new Octavia seemed that way, and long termer results in Autocar and other places seem to suggest it lasts well.
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I own an ST 220 Estate which is very similar in many ways and I would happily recommend the Mondeo in general to anyone looking for a quick, smart, well built, reliable...etc car

I think they look great, and the ST TDCI is pretty quick - especially in the mid range when all those torques come into play - and if you really want to they can be 'chipped' to about 180Bhp easily (and still return 20mpg more than the petrol version)

Prices have come down a lot (especially for the petrol models - ) - so you should be able to get a good deal.

If you can find one with the Recaro seats I'd recommend them - they are standard on the 220 and are very nice.

I remember Colins review - well worth a read - all in all - a great car
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Did they do an estate version of the ST?
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Yes - of both the petrol and diesel versions
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Clunes,

A blue or Black ST estate will be on my next shopping list. At `only' 45 mpg, i may look at the cheaper petrol versions, although you hint these only do 25mpg?
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I get about 25mpg out of mine - although on a longer journey it will return more - maybe 28-30+ (speed dependent of course).

That said, it's never going to be a very economical car - although it betters the 530iA I had on the same journey.
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As an alternative:



The most expensive are under £9k for the 190bhp V6, the 135bhp diesel is even less.
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test report: first thing that struck me when we arrived to view and test drive he car was that despite not being in showroom condition, how impressive and imposing it looked, especially in performance blue, the multi-spoked alloy wheels suited the sporting appearance and the whole shape was very attractive with some very nice chrome detailing on the door handles and lower front spoiler.

The car itself was in need of some of tlc, there was a few stone chips to the front bumper and side, but more worringly all the alloy wheels where badly scuffed and marked, a point which the salesman did advise and said that they would all be refurbished prior to sale.

The car interior was spotless, albeit for a very grubby dirt mark on the inside of the display panel for the heating controls which did look unsightly. Apart from that, everything felt tight, ergonomics where good with the half leather seats in excellent condition. Julie did complain that the standard fit Sony CD player was positioned a little bit low in the dashboard, but she was impressed by the layout, the quality and the sporty aspirations, the red stitching, the ST monikor on the steering wheel and the chrome detailing to the interior door handles. But what impressed her was the quality of the controls, they all had an excellent weighting, even the smallest of details like the switches for the front and rear screen and the hazard warning lights all felt so much better than cheap looking grey plastic items.

Even me at 6'3'' there was plenty of rear legroom behind the drivers seat, I could fit in very easily, so with Julie standing tall and proud at 5ft she welcomed the extra room and convinced herself that these where limo proportions !! The boot space was commodious and well shaped so no complaints there.

The car had 28500 miles registered, Julie was a little put off by the initial start up clatter of the diesel engine, only ever been used to petrol engines, but was soon impressed by the quietness of the ride and engine at speed.

Our test route was 6 miles, a quick thrash up the Leicester Road towards the M6 which is a good test of a car's torque as it is uphill all the way and an excellent test of the cars overtaking ability. Initially I was disappointed that the torque didnt provide me with the shove in the back in 2nd and 3rd gear as much as I was expecting, but a quick glance down to the speedo soon confirmed that we where travelling much quicker than I had expected, so refinement was strong. Julie took over the driving with 4 miles to go, over Rugby's potholed roads and uneven surfaces. She was impressed that the steering felt light, but precise and the steering wheel didnt feel cumbersome and too large for her.

The ride quality for a car that is lowered over the standard Mondeo was still excellent only a few deep holes jaring into the cockpit.

Overall we where very impressed and have made an offer for the car, however, despite waiting for a reply we have been told that our MINI is only worth £6150 at maximum with a BMW MINI dealer underwriting the deal, so basically I have told them we are a long way off as I am looking for a substantially better trade in figure for the MINI, given its immaculate condition, 23000 miles and f-MINI-sh and sensible spec and told the salesman that MINI are taking the piss as they would have that on their forecourt for a few thousand more. So we have offered the MINI plus £1000, no more, given that the Mondeo does have higher than average miles for its age and that there will need to be some refurbishment done to the alloys and touch up to the stone chips.

I wait and see.

One thing we have decided on though...our next car will be a Mondeo, we are hoping for an ST, but a Titanium X in panther black is a close second.

Some photos I took of the car on my phone camera:









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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great report, and that does look good in Blue!

Let us know what they come back as an offer, I know it is an easy thing to say, but there are plenty of them out there, so hold out for a good deal...
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Looks far better than the current one. Straight or crisp lines never look crap with age. It's the curvy stuff that dates.
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Matt wrote:
Straight or crisp lines never look crap with age. It's the curvy stuff that dates.


May I present the evidence to the contrary:







Now tell me that straight lines don't age and curves always date.
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Compared to the new one it does look dated. I think the proportions on the previous model (do Mondeos have e numbers?) are slightly more elegant than a lot of modern cars and it looks more lithe as it carries less bulk. That's the case with all cars that have been replaced with something that meets current impact regulations, however.
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I believe that model of Mondeo is a CD132. No doubt, Peet/Chips/Pie will confirm or deny.
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Already did earlier in the thread.

I'll do my posts in bold next time.
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So you did, after I asked previously.  
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I'd try selling the Mini privately - the Mini dealer bids low to pay for his plate glass, plants, etc.

Autotrader will give you an idea on what you can expect. Or just bang it on Ebay with a reserve you can live with and see what happens.

On a positive note - there are plenty more Mondeo ST's out there (might be worth trying to go straight to auction as most will be fleet cars, or try Lloyds TSB's fleet arm which has a large consumer sales arm). Mondeo ST's will be losing more money on a daily basis than the Mini so any delay just saves you cash.

Interesting Julie liked it, Helen's 5ft 2 and got on fine with the Mondy, even commented on how good the steering felt - Perhaps I should get an ST220 next?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny but I never liked that model Mondeo whilst in production, but since the new one has arrived it has grown on me. I don't think the new one is aging very well and in black there is too much chrome going on making it look a bit too trendy - for want of a better word - almost like it's trying too hard. Seeing an Avensis in bright red has a similar effect.

I like the ST model and I reckon it will be the sort of car you could run into the ground and it wouldn't let you down. Much more toys than an Octavia vRS too (a colleague has one and it has wind-down rear windows ffs!). I'd have one over the Titanium or Ghia spec as well as the body kit makes it stand out much more against the backdrop of fleet LX models that pound our motorways.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first Nissan looks well proportioned and with a decent polish and general TLC, would look quite smart on the road. Of course, the DS is the exception to the rule, but I meant more modern curvy stuff like the MiTo, which looks an abomination 5 minutes past its hour.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well not surprisingly the dealer declined my offer of a max bid of our car plus £1250 cash, so the deal has not been done. I argued that the car has higher than average mileage for the year and was not in tip top condition despite his assurances that all the touch up work would be done to a high standard prior to delivery. The condition of the car and their insistance over a quick sale put me off.

We have however, decided that a Mondeo ST or Titanium X is the next car for us, it has all the qualities we are looking for, however, selling our MINI privately may be the best course of action in order to achieve a better resale value as the best figure we have received so far is a rather rude £6250.

I have however spotted a 2006 06 ST in panther black in Autotrader at a dealer in Nottinghamshire with 18000 miles for £10495, I am just awaiting a phone call back with a trade in figure, bearing in mind they do have a pre-facelifted 2003 03 Cooper with 40,000 miles on their forecourt for £7595, so hopes aren't all lost yet.

and to Sticky328, yeah, Julie loved it, found the seating comfortable, did not find the interior too overwhelming and bulky and with good visibility all round has said that this is the ideal next car for us.

Personally I still think they look fantastic, especially it ST guise, I love the multi-spoke alloys and the subtle spoilers, IMHO it looks so much better than the current Mondeo, which I agree can look okay in specific colours and trim, but we are both agreed that the interior looks awful, we both universally hate the silver trim and the cheap looking stereo unit.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I read that right

Their Mondeo is up for £11700 and you offered them your car and a bag of sand?I'm not surprised that they turned down your offer.

Your Mini is a 2004 so the offer from Mini was fair, there are plenty of coopers on Autotrader from dealers at a similar age and mileage for 7k.

A dealer needs to make profit, and †making at least £1000 profit on each piece of metal they shift †is †a necessity, As Sticky points out Glass showrooms don't come cheap.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit I agree - I think you'd struggle to get £7k for the MINI even as a private sale. Having said which, retaining 50% of its value at 4 years old isn't bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glasses guide valuation

MINI Mini Cooper
1.6 Petrol 3-door Hatchback
5 Speed Manual Front Wheel Drive
Year: 2004 04
Mileage: 23,000

Part-exchange Price:

Excellent condition: £7110

Average condition: £6410

Below average condition: £5700


Ford Mondeo ST TDCi
2.2TD Diesel 5-door Hatchback
6 Speed Manual Front Wheel Drive
Year: 2006 56
Mileage: 29,000

Part-exchange Price:

Excellent condition: £9440

Average condition: £8420

Below average condition: £7500
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had two Mondeo's in Germany, a 1.8 hatch and 2.0 estate.  The engines weren't up to much but the rest of the car was incredibly good.  They were both on plastic wheel trims (16"?) so the ride was great, but they also felt poised and well-balanced at nearly 200km/h.

As a family motor, they are indecent VFM and ability.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The groom at the wedding I was at this weekend had an estate version in that metallic blue and it looked superb.
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