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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Velar?  Reply with quote

I had no idea this was even planned:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...ange-rover-velar-pictures-new-suv

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking forward to seeing this.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the Land Rover F Pace isn't it?  I think I saw a disguised one the other week.

Sniffpetrol thinks it will have F Type style pop out door handles based on that picture from above.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's the Land Rover F Pace isn't it?


Indeed it is. I'm also looking forward to seeing it.

What with this and and Jaguar Evoque that is supposed to be coming out later this year, I think the dealers and manufacturing lines will be [even] busier.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrible name. Sounds far too close to Velour, which certainly doesn't conjour the image RR would want. Looking forward to seeing it though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given how much I dislike the styling of both the F-Pace and the latest crop of Range Rover derivatives, I am not holding my breath as regards a mash-up of the two.

But you never know.

There was a convertible Ewok parked by our house when I left this morning. Silly-looking thing. Looked around for Barbie but she was nowhere to be seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a normal Ewok near me with the Dynamic styling pack on it. I think it's a big improvement. I'm really not a Range Roverer in the slightest and would never own one, but the Velour does look like (Is it still only one pic, I've not clicked the link?) that it might be the best looking one of the bunch. We'll see...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Terrible name. Sounds far too close to Velour, which certainly doesn't conjour the image RR would want. Looking forward to seeing it though.


The name comes from the original Range Rover prototypes that were called Velars, as velar is another word for a veil used to hide something.

So it might be a crap name or not, but it does have Land Rover history. Probably better too than Evoque XL or Range Rover Sport Junior.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PG wrote:
Giant wrote:
Terrible name. Sounds far too close to Velour, which certainly doesn't conjour the image RR would want. Looking forward to seeing it though.


The name comes from the original Range Rover prototypes that were called Velars, as velar is another word for a veil used to hide something.

So it might be a crap name or not, but it does have Land Rover history. Probably better too than Evoque XL or Range Rover Sport Junior.


That makes sense for a prototype but what is the new one hiding?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are just making the steps between the models a bit smaller which I suppose allows those who aspire to reach the top of the RR tree the possibility that they might be able to afford it by going through all the models and trading up over 20 years.

On the other hand how many 4x4's do we need on the road and with diesel now being attacked, will there be any market for these in 10 years time.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They are just making the steps between the models a bit smaller which I suppose allows those who aspire to reach the top of the RR tree the possibility that they might be able to afford it by going through all the models and trading up over 20 years.

On the other hand how many 4x4's do we need on the road and with diesel now being attacked, will there be any market for these in 10 years time.


They'll all be petrol hybrids like the Lexus RX400h.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just put up a post on hybrids in the General section.

I suppose if you see a RR as a status symbol which never does more than about 10 or 15 miles in a day then I can see hybrids working well but if used for any decent miles on a regular basis or as a workhorse, I can't see them being very popular.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will sell like hot cakes to The Wrong Sort and history or not, that's a deeply stupid name - sounds like the villain from a children's cartoon.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side profile looks great in that link. Is it going to steal most of F-Pace sales though?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does look good in that profile shot. I don't think it'll steal F-Pace sales any more than it will steal those from Porsche etc. The market is is big enough for the Jaguar and the Range Rover.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
JohnC wrote:
They are just making the steps between the models a bit smaller which I suppose allows those who aspire to reach the top of the RR tree the possibility that they might be able to afford it by going through all the models and trading up over 20 years.

On the other hand how many 4x4's do we need on the road and with diesel now being attacked, will there be any market for these in 10 years time.


They'll all be petrol hybrids like the Lexus RX400h.


Hopefully they will be better than the RX400h, not having a CVT gearbox will help.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This had passed me by too, but it looks stunning.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
JohnC wrote:
They are just making the steps between the models a bit smaller which I suppose allows those who aspire to reach the top of the RR tree the possibility that they might be able to afford it by going through all the models and trading up over 20 years.

On the other hand how many 4x4's do we need on the road and with diesel now being attacked, will there be any market for these in 10 years time.


They'll all be petrol hybrids like the Lexus RX400h.


Hopefully they will be better than the RX400h, not having a CVT gearbox will help.


None of the Lexus hybrids have a CVT gearbox, what they have is a very clever planetary gearset that doesn't require an automatic transmission, starter motor or alternator and is much more efficient than a regular Auto (or CVT) and far more reliable. There's probably some confusion as for regulatory purposes Toyota have to call it an e-CVT, even though it isn't. It's this technology that BMW wantd when they did their diesel engine deal with Toyota.
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Every day is a school day!  All I know is I tried a GS400h 2 years ago and really didn't like the gearbox.   The salesman said it was a CVT (in my defence) although he also said they the paddles selected different levels of engine braking when I'm sure the idea is to give you the feeling of having proper gears.
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Every day is a school day!  All I know is I tried a GS400h 2 years ago and really didn't like the gearbox.   The salesman said it was a CVT (in my defence) although he also said they the paddles selected different levels of engine braking when I'm sure the idea is to give you the feeling of having proper gears.


I think there's a lot of confusion - I remember loads of car mags saying my IS250 auto had a CVT gearbox when it was, in fact, a conventional auto. The Hybrid Synergy Drive uses a lot of the technology of a CVT using planetary gears but since CVT can mean chains, pulleys, cones, ratcheting, hydrostatic, none of which feature in HSD, it can be misleading. There's no doubt as we move to hybrids and full electric vehicles this type of gearbox will take over.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect to see many of these very soon. I'm already in Discovery Sport/Evoque hell.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Velar = anagram of ER Lav ... the Queen's toilet
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I have to say this is not doing much for me.

The grille and headlamps are just too small for the front end. It looks, if such could be said of a car, smug.
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The grille and headlamps are just too small for the front end. It looks, if such could be said of a car, smug.


I think you've nailed the appeal, actually...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many different models are there in Range Rover/Land Rover's lineup are there now?
This looks like they're shoehorning something into the middle of a market they already fill.
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If the Evoque rivaled a 3 series, the Velar is the 5. The Sport is the 6GC and the FFRR a seven.

All the BMW are saloons and the Range Rovers are SUVs. The difference is the market seems to prefer SUVs - which is why BMW also produce the X1/3/4/5/6 and will soon have the X2 and X7.
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PhilD wrote:
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To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.


Macan isn't all that big as well either. It's based on the Q5, isn't it?
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Photos released/leaked:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...ange-rover-velar-pictures-new-suv

I'm genuinely struggling to tell the difference from the sport.
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So it does have F Type style door handles.
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BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.


Macan isn't all that big as well either.


I think Macan is Velar size.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.


Macan isn't all that big as well either.


I think Macan is Velar size.


I mean, it's only like, 30cm or so between them...
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BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.


Macan isn't all that big as well either.


I think Macan is Velar size.


I mean, it's only like, 30cm or so between them...


about the same as a BMW 3 series compared to a 5?
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That's a first purchase lottery win right there. For me that's more desirable than the larger Sport and Range Rover

One of the nicest interiors I've seen too.

I'm going to buy a ticket for this weekend. Everything I look for.

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That is pretty nice.
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The verdict from Steve Cropley has just come in, this is better than sliced bread.

I expect to see a 60-page guide into the technical secrets of the Velar too, as with all JLR products.
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Love it ,
Especially this angle



Interior looks fab too
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PhilD wrote:
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PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
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To be honest I don't really get this? It says it's a Macan rival but isn't the Evoque a Macan rival as well?

It does look good though.


Evoque is much smaller.


Macan isn't all that big as well either.


I think Macan is Velar size.


I mean, it's only like, 30cm or so between them...


about the same as a BMW 3 series compared to a 5?


I feel cheated. The Macan felt smaller than what it says it is...
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Michael wrote:
.....the market seems to prefer SUVs - which is why BMW also produce the X1/3/4/5/6 and will soon have the X2 and X7.


I've recently ben loking at the X1 and X3, and there is very little difference in external size so quite where the X2 would fit in is a bit of a mystery.  Even the pricing seems to overlap significantly; X1 is hampered by only being sold with a 4-cylinder engine in the UK but the 6-cylinder X3's are somewhat more expensive then the lower-end models.

It also appears that the X1 and X3 can be ordered with the "voodoo" LED headlights.

I have seen stories that the X3 will shortly be updated but whether this will be confined to a new interior or new body panels as well, I'm not sure (anyone know?)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever sat in an X1? Horrible things.

I like this Velar, though. I don't have an issue with the name either.
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Have you ever sat in an X1? Horrible things.

I like this Velar, though. I don't have an issue with the name either.


The first gen were, the latest ones are quite nice. A friend picked up a Cat D one recently and I was quite impressed.
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Shame, the initial teaser pic showed promise, but I'm not so keen now. I can see why it appeals to the BMW fans with the short front and long rear overhangs, but it just looks like they took the clay model for the Sport and sanded the corners off.
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The latest X1 is a huge improvement inside and out on the original model.   Voodoo LED headlights are available on the X3, but not the X1 (or any 1/2 series)
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Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:

I've recently ben loking at the X1 and X3, and there is very little difference in external size so quite where the X2 would fit in is a bit of a mystery.


The X4 and X6 are 'Coupe' (that's a laugh) versions of the X3 and X5 so I expect an X2 will be the same in relation to the X1.
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Might be an off-road version of that Scenic-type thing they make.
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Might be an off-road version of that Scenic-type thing they make.


You mean BMWs Mk2 Zafira rip-off - the 2 Series Active Tourer?
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Well now that's out I'm really liking it.

Although the start point is low (relative to a RRS), you can quickly rack up some eye watering prices on the configurator.
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Roadsterstu wrote:
Have you ever sat in an X1? Horrible things.

I like this Velar, though. I don't have an issue with the name either.


Later X1 substantial improvement in every way. I'd get a 4 pot X1 over a 4 pot X3 I suspect.

X3's hold their value well, the X5 was the same price as a 6 cyl X3.

X3 needs a facelift though as it's ugly at present...
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My Car: Volvo XC60/Ford Fiesta/Jaguar XJ

Joined: 22 Dec 2006
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Location: Ormskirk, Lancashire

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
It does look good in that profile shot. I don't think it'll steal F-Pace sales any more than it will steal those from Porsche etc. The market is is big enough for the Jaguar and the Range Rover.


Sales manager at Jaguar seemed to think different yesterday. Bit happier about the new XF estate, XE coupe & estate, E-Pace and new XK to make up for it though.


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