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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: New car time  Reply with quote

Well new to us!

Tina's C3 is knocking on the door for 14 years old now, we have had it 6 years and it has not really missed a beat.

The MOT is due end of the month and I know it needs at least 2 lower arms to get it through, lately it has been cutting out but it re-starts straightaway, it is shed and Tina stuffed it into a fence a couple of weeks ago when the roads were icy, it was fine but the rear quarter and door could look better!

So as she needs it for work (Tina is a nanny) and it is getting to the age where a big problem is likely just around the corner and rather than spending money on it on known problems to get it through its MOT we have decided to get shot of it, it's only worth scrap now and with an MOT and 200 spend to get it through; probably 150-200.

Tina isn't after anything extravagant and we have decided 4k as a top budget (thanks mum for the interest free loan), this is where the conflict starts.

She wants a city car; fine as 99% of its use will be local driving, she loves the look of the C1/107; fine, I quite like them too in a cute way and there are plenty out there for that money, however I can get a Mii at trade money as we have a SEAT branch, so we are looking at a 2/3 year old 20,000 miles, far better built Mii for similar money to a 4/5 year old 107/C1 with many more miles; "I don't like the Mii, it's boxy".

i10 is a good shout but she doesn't like that and I can see her point as they are deathly dull, however many are ultra low miles as they have only been owned by oldies and they are likely to still have a bit of manufacturers warranty on them due to the 5 year warranty they come with from new.

Car hunting on Sunday and I hate looking for cars and I can see it being very stressfull!!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would leasing something be an option?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would leasing something be an option?


I don't want to go that route.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My parents went from a 107 to an Up and it's a much, much better car in every way.  The Up is a higher spec which helps, but get her to drive both and she'll soon change her mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...but get her to drive both and she'll soon change her mind.


And is she doesn't, just do the sensible "peace at home" thing and get a 107/C1.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wimp!  

Making sure the one car I knew would be best is driven has worked for me several times.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dacia sandero?

I think they're great value for money
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dacia sandero?

I think they're great value for money


If she won't have a Mii I don't think I can see her agreeing to a Sandero somehow, anyway the 1.2 is a bit pants and you are looking at 110 rfl, whereas a Mii/Up!, C1/107 are 0/20 rfl and far better on fuel too, the Sandero is also bigger aswell.

I can also get an Up! (she likes the Up!, it is a better looking car than the Mii)at trade money and she appears to be softening on having to have a 5dr, most Up!'s in the VAG system are 3dr, however they are also all red or white; she doesn't like either!!

Shame that the current Twingo is unloved as there are none about and I'm sure an early one will be 4k already.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea in prices but how about a Fiat 500 ?
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What about a Panda?
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By the sounds of it you\d be better off washing your hands of anything to do with the decision and letting her make her own bed.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At that price are you looking at the current 107/C1 or previous model? Only other cars in that field I can think of would be Argo and Citigo, which are the same as others anyhow.

I know you said you don't want to lease, but I keep seeing ads for all the above cars for 99 pcm, which would mean your 4K would get her a brand new car for 3.5 years. Think I'd do this if the budget isn't getting her into current model 107/C1s.

However, given women's logic and biases are involved (Mii being too boxy but Up! is ok?!), as others suggest, let her decide then just find the best one available in budget!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the sounds of it you\d be better off washing your hands of anything to do with the decision and letting her make her own bed.


Story of my life when it comes to cars; I work in the trade, I get asked advice by friends and acquaintances and without fail it is always ignored, and now even my own bloody wife won't listen to me, what do I know!!

I am still going to get her to have a look at and a drive of a Mii though, it frustrates me as the quality and build is head and shoulders above the C1/107; they aren't bad cars at all, the Mii is just that little bit bitter IMO, especially at the money I can get one for.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the Mii is just that little bit bitter IMO

Bright yellow one?

Does it have to have 5 doors or would 3 be OK ?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...3500&price-to=4500&page=1

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...=30000&radius=1500&page=1

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...012&sort=price-asc&page=9

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...rg&sort=price-asc&page=14
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Humphrey The Pug wrote:
the Mii is just that little bit bitter IMO

Bright yellow one?

Does it have to have 5 doors or would 3 be OK ?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...3500&price-to=4500&page=1


A 112000 mile diesel Fiesta; errrr no thanks!!
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25k Modus added to above links ?

3k miles Micra:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...nnual-tax-cars=TO_100&page=21
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Have you tried visiting your local Renault dealership?  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
By the sounds of it you\d be better off washing your hands of anything to do with the decision and letting her make her own bed.


But then it will be his fault for not helping, of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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25k Modus added to above links ?

3k miles Micra:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...nnual-tax-cars=TO_100&page=21


He's shopping for his wife, not his 90year old grandmother!! I can't imagine if a Mii doesn't cut it how a Modus or Micra would be considered, rightly so IMO!
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Have you tried visiting your local Renault dealership?


You say that, however we have nothing and there is nothing centrally that is suitable, an early current shape Twingo should be 4k trade, however it is an unloved car so there are none anywhere; central Renault used stock or finance returns.

It is the same with the previous shape Twingo, (she is softening on the need for a 5dr)  there is absolutely nothing, anyway the previous Twingo isn't all that and I believe a 107/C1 is a better car.
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A (theoretical ) current twingo for 4k sounds very cheap, that'd be my choice, for novelty value if nothing else!
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I take it Fiats are a no-no, since both suggestions appear to have been roundly ignored?
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I take it Fiats are a no-no, since both suggestions appear to have been roundly ignored?


Well actually as she may be softening on the "need" for a 5dr, or at least realising that options within that sector are limited so is questioning the "need" when it comes to a 5dr, she may re-think a 500; she has always liked them, what woman hasn't.

She is a nanny, and uses her car for work, the kids have car seats but they are old enough to get themselves in and out and buckle themselves in, Tina has our grandson once a week, he needs help getting in and out of his seat, however once a week isn't exactly going to be a hardship.

The boot is small, but then it is small on all of these cars and her boot is only used to collect crap, our dogs are small so a small boot isn't an issue.

There are plenty of 500's out there too, my only reservation is, they seem to be a bit fragile.

The Panda will be a no no.
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What about a slightly older Mini. 4K would probably get you a modest mile 57/58 plate Cooper.
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Not a "City Car" but how about an Ibiza?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...00&postcode=gu12rg&page=7

Or a Mazda 2?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...sc&postcode=gu12rg&page=8
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Mazda 2 well worthy of consideration. The 1.3 will run with almost no oil at all, too, as Mrs R could attest.
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Are 500s particularly fragile?

My wife has commuted in her one daily for the past three years and counting, without anything more serious than a single puncture so far (touch wood). And given we'd struggle to get 6k privately for her 14k mile 2013/63 Twinair Lounge in London, I'd expect 4k to buy quite a lot of tidy low-mileage 500 privately outside London.

I think if you service them regularly, they should be fine. We service my wife's one regularly once a year under Fiat's low-mileage service regime. The 1.2 is really rather slow but makes up for that by being more economical than the Twinair. It's not so much that the Twinair is not economical if you drive normally, it's fine - it's just that it's an engine that begs to be thrashed in the finest tradition of small Italian cars, and if you thrash it, economy plummets.

And they are more practical than you think. The boot isn't actually as tiny as some, and the rear seats split fold. The front doors are huge and you can get four normal-sized adults in one. A Lounge has pretty much all you'd want spec-wise. The only option ours has is the built-in dock for the Blue&Me TomTom, which is handy but not essential. The only option I think my wife would like it to have that it lacks is heated seats.
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Mazda 3 is a good shout.

MINI unfortunately is going away from cheap to run, insure, tax etc.

She has said she will look at a Mii; half way there!!

Personally I think she is mad if she doesn't go for a Mii, half the problem is all the Mii's on the VAG site are red or white, I reckon if a lairy colour with alloys came up she would be all over it.
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500's and the Ka are frequently praised for being robust, based on the Panda's chassis.  I had no fragility issues with the Ka, just an engine management sensor that failed prematurely (and tyres prone to punctures, but that's not relevant here!)
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Every 500 that we have had here for sale has always seemed to be a bit fragile and not worn particularly well, that's all I'm basing my findings on.
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Perhaps that's because, at the risk of sounding deeply sexist, they tend to attract the type of young female driver who treats their car like a mobile dustbin and never washes it?
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..... who treats their car like a mobile dustbin and never washes it?

Tee hee !
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What is interesting and also has been mentioned on other forums; is the lack of private ads out thre for cars, the vast majority being trade and and the few private ones are up at retail money (something else that has been noted on forums too).

I guess with the hassle of selling privately and the rise of online sales sites such as WBAC, people just want rid in an easy and no hassle way.
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I never knew there was such a thing as a Grand Modus.

DD's Mazda 2 suggestion looks pretty neat.
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Humphrey The Pug wrote:
What is interesting and also has been mentioned on other forums; is the lack of private ads out thre for cars, the vast majority being trade and and the few private ones are up at retail money (something else that has been noted on forums too).

I guess with the hassle of selling privately and the rise of online sales sites such as WBAC, people just want rid in an easy and no hassle way.


Maybe more to do with the increase in PCPs and cheap lease deals, meaning cars just get handed back or traded?
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For a little over budget, from a main dealer where you may be able to haggle a good interest rate:
http://www.thinkford.co.uk/used-c...00-ford-fiesta-1.25-zetec-5dr-82/

... and that's just a first-of quick look. I'm sure you can find better offers if you spend a few minutes browsing

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I think it's the ease and depends on your valuation. My mother is part-exing her A3 with the Mini dealer. They offered above book and there wasn't much in it between that and what I thought I might get for it privately, plus it avoids the need to temporarily either be without a car (impossible if you live in the sticks) or have to insure two.

By contrast I did not part-ex the M135i because there was a wide gulf between the part-ex/WBAC price and market value.
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Well after spending a good few (painful) hours this afternoon looking at cars, this is how far we have got and also the conclusion as to what my good lady wants:

1. Mii: agrees that it is better put together, has a bigger and better shaped boot and is more refined than the C1/107, however she says it is boring to look at (can't disagree) and categorically doesn't want one.

2. C1: likes the styling as it's cute and bulbous (can't disagree; it isn't unattractive), said she liked the drive however she didn't sound too convincing but agreed it was tinny and a bit buzzy, we looked at a base model as that was all that was available, she asked if we could see a higher spec as "it might be nicer inside and less cheap and tinny", I confirmed that they were all the same. Tina said that the boot was big enough (I'm not so sure that the size would be frustrating at some point plus the lip is very high and the apature isn't the best shape, the dogs will fit but it'll be tight and they would have to be lifted in). C1/107 is (or was!) still on the list.

Then she wanted to go to see a Fiat 500.

3. Fiat 500: Tina looked around a locked one and loved it, sat in one and fell in love (I'm not surprised!), what I was surprised with was the boot; I'd looked in 500 boots before, however at the time it wasn't really of interest, but seeing inside one straight after a C1 and Mii boot and being interested in the boot; it's a bloody good shape and size with a much lower lip than the other two cars, plus the dogs will fit in easily with space to spare

4. Up!: Had a look online at them, however they are relatively strong money for something quite dull, there is definately a premium for the VW badge, the fact that I can get an almost identical Mii for much less grates me, Tina likes them and they do look better than the Mii but I think they are a no go.

So it looks like it is a Fiat 500 that we are after.

Prices for 500's are all over the show and after originaly setting a max budget of 4k, it appears that another 500 or so can get you quite a bit more, so it looks as though the budget may be stretched a tad, I've found a couple of reasonably priced Twin Airs that appeal; 12/13 plates for 4000/4500, there aren't many Twin Airs out there however they appear cheaper than NA 1.2 or 1.4 engines of a similar spec, I like the 0 tax and that they are different plus after doing a bit of research they appear reliable, appearing to take high miles in their stride, although no more economical than a 1.2.

Looks like my day off on Tuesday is going to be a busy one.
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Do you (still) have the Fiat franchise in Aldershot or is that another garage group?  I hope the twin air engine has a bit more poke than the 1.2 fitted to the Ka; should make a great drive if you can find what she wants !

(Just don't get a white one if you want it to look clean !)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya see! I've always been thoroughly impressed with us. They just don't feel like budget choices either.

The Twinair is night and day better than a 1.2 - much sprightlier and just fun. Also make sure you get a Lounge or S at least. Lounges get natty alloys, Bluetooth, leccy mirrors and windows, a fixed glass roof and other  bits and bobs.  In addition, Twinair Lounges get standard digital climate control (Lounges with other engines make do with standard a/c).

Personally I think it's worth seeking out one with the Ivory interior ambience which gives you a cream-coloured steering wheel and dash plastics that shouldn't work but actually really do - they add a lot to the upmarket ambience compared to the black alternative.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want me to chat with my brother and see if he can do a fellow car salesman a deal? He works for Fiat dealer near Swanwick. Can't promise anything of course but I can PM you his details.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:

Personally I think it's worth seeking out one with the Ivory interior ambience which gives you a cream-coloured steering wheel and dash plastics that shouldn't work but actually really do


With a bit on neglect, I foresee a uniform grey 500 in a few months time....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs RT's 500 looks like this inside:



She only washes (correction - I only wash it) at best once a month and it still looks clean and fresh inside. The trick is simply to use leather wipes on the steering wheel from time to time.

The red "Pop" cloth seats are a nice touch - they were a no-cost option and look (to our eyes) much fresher than the grey tweedy jobs that were standard on the Lounge.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had three 500s - a 1.2 Lounge in white with Ivory (definitely best colour combo), a 1.2 cabrio in silver grey with ivory interior and red roof, and a 1.2 cabrio in dark grey with red roof, black interior and red leather. I wasn't sure about the black interior at first but it grey on me. The ivory just looks more retro.
The 1.2s we had were fine and if you worked them like you should with an Italian car they felt quite nippy. I understand later models have been re-tuned to reduce emissions further and that has led to complaints about lack of oomph. I wasn't struck on the Twin-airs as they sounded rough and noisy to my ear, maybe I'd have got used to it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Twinair is definitely a bit of a buzzbox but it's such an endearing noise and enthusiastic engine that you quickly forgive it. Particularly because, if you have ever had any exposure to the old classic Nuova 500, it sounds remarkably, nostalgically similar.

My wife's comment when she first fired it up was (translated from Italian) "oh my god, it's like a tractor!"...but now having experienced the 1.2 as a courtesy car, she wouldn't swap in a month of Sundays. She said the 1.2 doesn't move by comparison. That's not surprising because a 1.2 has 69bhp and ambles to 60 in 12.6 secs whereas even the lower-powered Twinair has 85bhp and knocks 2 seconds off the 0-60 figure of the 1.2.

The other thing about the Twinair is that the VMAX is something like 108mph, which just makes it a more capable and relaxing motorway/dual carriageway companion than the 1.2, which is all done at 99mph. I know as I have tried both out on motorways at, ahem, "making progress" speed and whilst the 1.2 was better than you'd expect, the Twinair just has more high-speed flexibility and is less afflicted by the need to try and preserve your painstakingly accumulated speed.

There is also a higher-power Twinair with 105bhp, the stats for which are respectively 9.7 secs to 60 and 117mph VMAX, but I'd expect those to be out of budget.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarkson on the Twinair:

https://www.driving.co.uk/car-rev...review-fiat-500-twinair-2011/143/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gooner wrote:
Do you want me to chat with my brother and see if he can do a fellow car salesman a deal? He works for Fiat dealer near Swanwick. Can't promise anything of course but I can PM you his details.


Cheers Alex, it may be an idea; 4500 max, 1.2 or Twinair in a decent spec.

Had a look at a couple today, both were Twinair's, however they were an odd spec; no Blue&Me and a plastic steering wheel but both had sports seats in a faux leather; Tina is really after Bluetooth in her next car too.

The private one had 65k, was a really odd dark blue but it really worked well with the black alloys and externally looked great, however it was 6m past its last service (I did know it was overdue), the spare wheel well was wet and the boot carpet had mould underneath, the oil filler cap/dip stick I just couldn't undo, it is on a ratchet so not to overtighten, however it was also ratcheting to undo it and it would just spin round clicking, only 1 key and no parcel shelf

Already I felt it was overpriced slightly but with out the issues I found out about once there, I wasn't interested.

The second one ticked all the boxes initially, it was a trader however some thing just didn't stack up and it was top budget so it's a no for that one too.

Looking again tonight the prices are all over the place, it's really doing my head in.

I'm trying to steer her back towards a C1.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it possible that our immaculate 63-plate 14k mile Twinair Lounge is worth 6k tops in a private sale and a scant 1.5k less apparently lands you in something leggy and grotty? They've been making these since 2008 - surely there are some older well-loved examples around?

Maybe worth looking in london? Masses of the bloody things here, most low mileage and probably never seen real dirt in their lives.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...ew&onesearchad=New&page=1

... or even:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...ew&onesearchad=New&page=1
If you scroll through the photos you can see one of the damage that allegedly wrote it off, and it appears to be very superficial so maybe worth a punt if you plan to keep it for a good few years

or:
http://usedcars.fiat.co.uk/fiat-5...ansmission%3Dmanual%26minPrice%3D
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
How is it possible that our immaculate 63-plate 14k mile Twinair Lounge is worth 6k tops in a private sale and a scant 1.5k less apparently lands you in something leggy and grotty? They've been making these since 2008 - surely there are some older well-loved examples around?

Maybe worth looking in london? Masses of the bloody things here, most low mileage and probably never seen real dirt in their lives.


Finding a good car takes time, simple as that. I'm sure plenty of good examples around.

Did you talk to the sellers much before viewing? I've found that generally gives 90% of the picture so when you view you're mainly corroborating what they've told you.

I find something like PH has better quality Private Sellers, then AT before Ebay and Gumtree.

As you don't need a car until the MOT for your current one then I'd just take your time.

EDIT - number of previous owners and FSH (actually stamped on time, though not necessarily main dealer) is always the best indication of a cared for car I find. Not always but generally.


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