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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: New Ibiza  Reply with quote

Looks like a mini version of the Leon, which is predictable, but not a bad thing in my opinion.

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/155922/new-seat-ibiza-revealed
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks great

Shitroen ..  this is how to design a modern supermini
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like that, hope the interior quality is better than the current car but it looks promising in the pictures

Andy C wrote:
That looks great

Shitroen ..  this is how to design a modern supermini


Stop being a weapons-grade arse-wipe and give it a rest.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: New Ibiza Reply with quote

simonp wrote:
Looks like a mini version of the Leon, which is predictable, but not a bad thing in my opinion.

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/155922/new-seat-ibiza-revealed


I think I would need a Leon and that side-by-side to spot the differences!!

Agreed it's no bad thing in isolation - the design is attractive.

Not sure about the "rose gold" interior trim...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Like that, hope the interior quality is better than the current car but it looks promising in the pictures

Andy C wrote:
That looks great

Shitroen ..  this is how to design a modern supermini


Stop being a weapons-grade arse-wipe and give it a rest.


WTF!?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonboots one assumes...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?  Jesus.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Handbags more like.

I'm not suggesting that we all get along and agree with everyone else's views, but getting one's knickers in a twist over someone else's opinion of a car is daft.

No one has called me out for disliking VWs with a passion. Because they'll get fucked off if they did - if you don't like my opinion, it's tough shit, I'm not changing it. Just ignore it and move on.

Anyway. New Ibiza:

It's a Leon x 0.75.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a bit..dull. I like superminis to have a few quirks, be a bit different, I don't really want them to be just scaled down versions of their larger siblings. The Italians and the French seem to understand this best.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, I actually thought that was the new Leon. Has that not been shown today? I also couldn't tell you what the last Ibiza is like. There is a place in the market for  VW dullness but why do all their brands now have to be afflicted?  Seat and Skoda used to offer something a bit different.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
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No one has called me out for disliking VWs with a passion.


I'm pretty sure we do all the time Blarno, only a little bit more subtly or jokingly as we know you'll go off on one!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks good, but I'm sad there's no 3-door, because that might mean there'll be no replacement for the delectable Leon 3-door either
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll just hide the rear door handles because it's still 1996.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck, I hate it when they do that. It's like coming to double doors in a corridor, and one has a lever handle by your knee, the other has a pull handle above your head. Or the Nissan GT-R dash vents before the latest facelift.

See also Stuntman, asymetric number plates ...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's wrong with hidden door handles ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That only the rear door handles are hidden. Either hide both, or neither!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiding door handles serves only to make a 5 door car look like a 3 door car when they should have just made a 3 door car.

I'm looking at you, current Renault Clio.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and the Clio just shrugged its shoulders and told you to 'peez off' Blarno.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?


Because a 5 door car can never properly look like a 3 door - the B pillar is too far forward. It ends up looking like what it is -  a 5 door car with hidden door handles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the Clio can lick my love pump, the slimy garlic chewing surrender monkey.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?

That you're not fooling anyone but yourself?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
PhilD wrote:
What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?


Because a 5 door car can never properly look like a 3 door - the B pillar is too far forward. It ends up looking like what it is -  a 5 door car with hidden door handles.


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Hiding door handles serves only to make a 5 door car look like a 3 door car


Make your mind up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?

That you're not fooling anyone but yourself?


You're just annoyed because you can't find the door handle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have. Hiding the door handles will only fool the stupid or those who want to be fooled.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
Hiding the door handles will only fool the stupid.


I'll leave this here again then

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Racing Teatray wrote:
Moonboots one assumes...


And the funny (or worrying?) thing is, he doesn't even own the vehicle in question.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blarno wrote:
Handbags more like.

I'm not suggesting that we all get along and agree with everyone else's views, but getting one's knickers in a twist over someone else's opinion of a car is daft.

No one has called me out for disliking VWs with a passion. Because they'll get fucked off if they did - if you don't like my opinion, it's tough shit, I'm not changing it. Just ignore it and move on.


What you have to remember is FB doesn't like anyone who dares to give a different opinion to him.  It's his pompous, self-righteous way, or no way.   That's been proven on here many times - (just read the recent Trump thread!)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks exactly like a Leon.

Surely moon-pumps for a Citroen? Needs to be something pneumatic in there. They'd probably break though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?

That you're not fooling anyone but yourself?


You're just annoyed because you can't find the door handle.

No. because I can plainly see the shutline of the door that supposedly isn't there ...
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
What if I want a 5 door that looks like a 3 door? whats wrong with that?

That you're not fooling anyone but yourself?


You're just annoyed because you can't find the door handle.

No. because I can plainly see the shutline of the door that supposedly isn't there ...


That's what frustrates you the most, you know there's a door there but you just can't open the damn thing.

Anyway, door handles are old fashioned and a carbuncle so the sooner they are gone the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's a very attractive, grown up design, that's hit the desirable scale high up too. Inside looks great, can't help noticing there is a lot of plastic trim to the left of the steering wheel but that aside choosing a supermini has just got tougher. Shows the Polo needs refreshing badly in my opinion now

For what it's worth I really like the design of the C3, attractive without being too cutesy.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now now, everyone play nice. It's just a Seat after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
What's wrong with hidden door handles ?

Everything under the sun. A car door should wear its handle with pride.  Lazy designers who cannot design a decent handle should be fired
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I don't have a problem with door handles relocated to enhance the lines of a car. My 156 had them and that was perhaps the most attractive saloon car ever made. They only ever confused my jet lagged sister when I collected her and her friend from Heathrow at 6am after they'd been travelling.
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Door handles and mirrors are not required on modern cars and I would expect them to disappear as manufacturers continue to try and reduce drag further.
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How would you open the door then? Magic?!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Door handles and mirrors are not required on modern cars and I would expect them to disappear as manufacturers continue to try and reduce drag further.


I think its a case of legislation needing to catch up with technology. I'm pretty sure surface mounted handles are required, hence why hidden handles like on Pug 106s disappeared.


The Ibiza is entirely predictable and boring, mini Leon. Meanwhile I've started seeing C3s and think they look utterly fantastic.
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How would you open the door then? Magic?!


What century do you live in??
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Not sure about the "rose gold" interior trim...


Probably no need to worry - the UK market will probably get a choice of black with white headlining or black with black headlining, depending on 'Cupraness'...
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Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
PhilD wrote:
What's wrong with hidden door handles ?

Everything under the sun. A car door should wear its handle with pride.  Lazy designers who cannot design a decent handle should be fired


You calling my pint a slag?  
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OK which is which? Don't get me wrong, they're both good designs and I like them. But are they not just a bit too, well, the same? SEAT seem to have taken the same design course as everyone else, where brand identity means that everything has to look the same or nearly the same.





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Maybe they were too busy designing the Ateca and forgot?
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They're part of the VW Group so they're just following that lead - design one car and enlarge/shrink as required.

Leon looks ok, so by definition the Ibiza does but if I ever see one I'll still feel it a missed opportunity to try something a little different.
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OK which is which? Don't get me wrong, they're both good designs and I like them. But are they not just a bit too, well, the same? SEAT seem to have taken the same design course as everyone else, where brand identity means that everything has to look the same or nearly the same.







They are even more similar than I realised! Have any other 'little n large' models ever looked so alike?
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That's what frustrates you the most, you know there's a door there but you just can't open the damn thing.

Nope, purely aesthetic - I see two doors, I want to see two handles in more or less the same place

PhilD wrote:
Anyway, door handles are old fashioned and a carbuncle so the sooner they are gone the better.

Exactly - hide all of them - front door handles in B pillar would be perfect
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Button under the mirror?  
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Button under the mirror?  

And for the rear doors, under the filler cap ....
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It's just a Seat after all.


This. And nothing more. It's not to my liking.
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PG wrote:
OK which is which? Don't get me wrong, they're both good designs and I like them. But are they not just a bit too, well, the same? SEAT seem to have taken the same design course as everyone else, where brand identity means that everything has to look the same or nearly the same.








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