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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:47 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

That close-up of the paint is lovely, like a photo of deep space. Disappointing lack of attention to detail that the rug isn't colour coded to the leather.

Since this thread, I've seen over a dozen Volvo 440s, having not noticed them for years. They must be incredibly durable.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that fuss about getting a proper carpet and then you cover it up with an old rug!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you!

It looks fairly commodious but without seeing a Phil & Teds stroller, 4 balls, 3 pairs of wellies, a pottette, an umbrella, a travel cot, a Belfast sink, food for a week and a dead prostitute I can't be totally sure it is fit for purpose.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbeaks1 wrote:
Thank you!

It looks fairly commodious but without seeing a Phil & Teds stroller, 4 balls, 3 pairs of wellies, a pottette, an umbrella, a travel cot, a Belfast sink, food for a week and a dead prostitute I can't be totally sure it is fit for purpose.


There are two pairs of wellies and an umbrella in there. The rest you'll have to imagine...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All that fuss about getting a proper carpet and then you cover it up with an old rug!


I was thinking likewise.

The Gorilla is Sophistograu and also has a myriad of colours in certain light. In the showroom it looked very light whereas on our driveway it looks really dark.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You appear to be one of those people that keeps the protective coating on the sills. I'm clawing my eyes out, it must be torn off!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it turned up with them on - I have since removed them for obvious reasons.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank god, I can now sleep at night.

I'm weird in that if I see the protective film on anything, I just have to remove it. My colleague has It on his laptop for the last 6 months and still hasn't removed it. I hate him with a passion.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised the dealer left it on. Did you take the nasty wing badges off at the same time?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surprised the dealer left it on. Did you take the nasty wing badges off at the same time?


No. I suppose it has them - I hadn't actually noticed....

***goes and checks pic***

Yes it does have them. But since I hadn't noticed them, I think I can cope with them.
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I presume the wellies are in the plastic bag in the boot?
I hope it's secured, I hate the rustle of plastic sliding around in the boot.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just noticed a 340i touring in citrine black

Can anyone   tell me the difference between this and carbon black ?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've just noticed a 340i touring in citrine black

Can anyone † tell me the difference between this and carbon black ?


About £845!

Citrine black looks brown in bright sunlight iirc.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brace of Carbon Black Gran Coupes in the car park at work today...

Happened to go down to get something from my car as the same time as my colleague with the 640d and so we were comparing cars. I have to say that the interior of the 6GC is decidedly a cut above the 4GC - all that leather and just feels much more sumptuous. But then it should, given the price differential. Plus his 6GC has the satin chrome trim around the side windows that I would liked on my car (I like the definition it adds) but which wasn't an option. But still very pleased with mine, I should add.

He was saying that he finds the 640d to be a sportier car to drive than his previous Quattroporte...


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
. I have to say that the interior of the 6GC is decidedly a cut above the 4GC - all that leather and just feels much more sumptuous. But then it should, given the price differential. Plus his 6GC has the satin chrome trim around the side windows that I would liked on my car (I like the definition it adds) but which wasn't an option. But still very pleased with mine, I should add.


You could have opted for more leather, is that right?

I like the lack of chrome, particularly as you have the tints.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


Yes, it's a 63-plate.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.


The LCI headlights look a lot better, they look slimmer and they don't have the block of indicator underneath which helps.
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I still think the 4 looks better from the front than the 6. It's the headlights that make the difference, I'm just not keen on the shape of the 6's.


The LCI headlights look a lot better, they look slimmer and they don't have the block of indicator underneath which helps.


Doesn't change my opinion I'm afraid!
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Tim wrote:
I presume the wellies are in the plastic bag in the boot?
I hope it's secured, I hate the rustle of plastic sliding around in the boot.


Racing has the storage pack so he will have a nice bag of nets he can use in the boot to keep his wellies in place. However he will also have under floor storage which is probably big enough for a couple of size 9's


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You appear to be one of those people that keeps the protective coating on the sills. I'm clawing my eyes out, it must be torn off!


My wife is always saying she wants to peel the blue bits off an i8 we see regularly!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do rather like the front end of the 4 as well - it has a sharper look to it but I also really like the 6 (as you'd expect to be fair!)

Here is the pic of the 6GC next to a 4GC at swimming a few weeks back:



And a pic of mine that makes the car look a lot shorter than it really is but am posting as the blue in the carbon black shows a little where the sun hits it

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I actually prefer the front of the 6 to the front of the 4 and carbon black has always been and always will be a great colour. The first time I remember seeing it was on an E46 M3 but Mercedes had a Blue Black Metallic which was very close and I had it on my 1992 E300-24V.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to the local cycle shop this morning to collect something ready for Santa'a sleigh and what should be parked outside, but a Carbon Black 4 GC. It looked very good indeed.

That was not the star of the show, however, becuase the cycle shop is practically next door to Rennsport's jaw dropping emporium, which always makes visits to that particular business park such a pleasure.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Martin wrote:
That's a pre LCI 6 GC, the newer ones are even nicer inside, especially with Napa or Merino leather


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I had my first ride in a 4GC today, when a colleague gave me a lift to lunch.  It's a 420d Luxury, in Midnight Blue on standard 18s but with HUD, heated rear seats and adaptive suspension on top of standard sports seats and professional navigation.

Slightly surprisingly, it does feel different to a standard 3 series inside, it's much nicer than the 320d SE I had on holiday.  I like the changes to the navigation / idrive system and really liked the HUD, that's something I wish I'd opted for on mine.   It completely fails the rear seat test, as despite not having a sunroof, I couldn't sit upright (my 15yr olds head would be touching the roof) and it does generally feel a bit cramped both in the back and the front, but its not really fair to compare it to a 5 series.   The ride was OK, but too soft for me in comfort and the road noise was really annoying, mainly tyre noise, but also with more wind noise than I'm used to at 60mph.
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I actually prefer the front of the 6 to the front of the 4 and carbon black has always been and always will be a great colour. The first time I remember seeing it was on an E46 M3 but Mercedes had a Blue Black Metallic which was very close and I had it on my 1992 E300-24V.


My 500E was Blue Black metallic.
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It completely fails the rear seat test, as despite not having a sunroof, I couldn't sit upright (my 15yr olds head would be touching the roof) and it does generally feel a bit cramped both in the back and the front, but its not really fair to compare it to a 5 series.


Both the A5 and A7 failed the rear seat test on Saturday when I found a dealer with both in (fail for Audi Northampton, pass for Imperial Cars).

With two 6ft teenagers, this is a problem.
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It's life's way of telling you to get an A8, 7 Series or S Class.
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I figured it wasn't likely to be an issue for us any time within the likely ownership period...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had my first ride in a 4GC today, when a colleague gave me a lift to lunch. †"It's a 420d Luxury, in Midnight Blue on standard 18s but with HUD, heated rear seats and adaptive suspension on top of standard sports seats and professional navigation" I thought to myself as we walked towards it across the carpark.



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Pretty much all apart from the heated rear seats!  I've not seen that colour before as far as I remember so had to last him
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I would have had midnight blue, which is really a sort of blue-green. But you can't get it with MSport trim unless you fork out for full-on Individual paint.
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It's life's way of telling you to get an A8, 7 Series or S Class.


Unfortunately an Estate type boot opening is required.
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Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).  
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Yeah. F11 5-series with a shed-load of options ticked takes some beating.
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Two things I noticed this morning loading up the car:

(i) it doesn't have any interior grab handles!; and

(ii) you can't slam shut a powered bootlid so packing becomes an art form!
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I have found you can give a powered boot a helpful shove to the bottom and it will close happily. BMW may be less cooperative
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Martin wrote:
Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).

It's a bit on the wide side, also the seating position is too low for me. If only there were a pseudo-SUV version with a more vertical tailgate too.... the X5 is a mobile barn but there is a gulf between the 5-series estate/touring and the X5 that nobody seems to be filling at the moment with the possible exception opf the Passat estate (which is plain dull).  Even Volvo are going the "lifestyle" way with sloping rear ends
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Then a 5 Series Estate is the answer... looks great, decent size boot / interior, refined / comfortable, not an SUV, nicer inside than all the above options except the A8 etc (all imho!).

It's a bit on the wide side, also the seating position is too low for me. If only there were a pseudo-SUV version with a more vertical tailgate too.... the X5 is a mobile barn but there is a gulf between the 5-series estate/touring and the X5 that nobody seems to be filling at the moment with the possible exception opf the Passat estate (which is plain dull). †Even Volvo are going the "lifestyle" way with sloping rear ends


A gulf?? A gulf between a 5 series estate and an X5? How so? Buy an X3.
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What's the gulf?  The X5 boot capacity is only 15% greater and the boot doesn't slope that much on the 5 Series estate.  The Passat has the same size boot as an X5 and the X3 boot capacity is slightly less than the 5.
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440 looks good. Enjoy it.

Interesting point re being unable to overpack a powered boot lid. Never thought about that before.
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Firstly -  where are my manners.....Lovely car Racing - excellent choice of interior colour scheme.

Secondly - on the subject of accommodation for gangly yoofs in the back seat. I shall be quoting myself from when I took the bird car hunting last year :


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Went to look at new 3 and 5 series BMWs on Saturday and walked out confused.

If you set the driver's seat in a 3 series for me (pretty much all as low and as far back as it will go), there is still a reasonable amount of room for a small person to sit behind me.

If you do the same in a 5 series - the back of the driver's seat is not far off touching the rear bench seat (only amputees need apply). If I them move the seat up and forward to match the space the 3 series offered, it feels a touch cramped.

To make sure this wasn't some kind of fat seated, m sport anomaly - we repeated the exercise with SE spec tourings... with no differences noted.

This was most disappointing - particularly when the 3 series touring boot is quite narrow (rear shock towers intrude a fair bit) and the boot in the 5 series touring is ok. However - the Mondeo estate nails them harder than a sailor on shore leave when it comes to accommodation and boot space.
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The F11 is a lovely car - but weirdly small when set for myself as the driver.

Whatever you have to carry - can't you just put it into smaller loads and buy a big saloon ?.

Or, you could say what my dad said when he bought an XJ6

" Sorry son, you haven't got much room in the back, but tough shite, I've always wanted an XJ6 so stop moaning "
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom. †

I can easily sit in the rear seat of mine when the drivers seat is set for me and my eldest sits on the other side anyway, so there's plenty of room for future growth. † The rear legroom looks worse than it is due to the seat base being quite a bit longer than the one in the 3/4 series and partly due to that, it's a lot more comfortable.  It's still somewhere off the new 7 which has fantastic rear seats, the standard ones are nicer than the upgraded reclining ones (with footrest) in the S Class. †The 5 isn't lounging around big in the back, but neither is a 7/A8/S Class, if you have one of those it would have to be the LWB to give you the space you'd expect.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom. †



Short legs, long body? Massive quiff?!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low roof.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I parked our new 320 next to an E39 5 Series yesterday and the 3 is about an inch longer.

It's huge inside compared to an E46.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
Legroom wasn't the issue with the 4GC, it was headroom. †



Short legs, long body? Massive quiff?!


That'll be it! As I have long legs, short body and increasingly less hair...so the 4GC suits me just fine!


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