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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: New Insignia  Reply with quote

http://www.motor1.com/news/130331...-opel-insignia-spy-uncamouflaged/

Looks promising. Website calls this the sedan version, which to you and me means saloon, but can't tell if this is the saloon version or the hatch version as there isn't much flat boot line like a traditional saloon

Front looks great as do the proportions and side view but really not sure about the elongated and extended rear lights into the side bodywork, that looks tacky. Spoils the clean design.

Very much Infiniti Q50 or Renault Talisman influences, estate version could be confused with the Mazda 6
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looked promising from the initial shots with camouflage on but the proportions don't look anywhere near as nice in the metal - curiously contrived and slabby in equal amounts. Shame, as the current Insignia is a really tidy car.
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That quarterlight behind the rear door looks like an afterthought.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That looked promising from the initial shots with camouflage on but the proportions don't look anywhere near as nice in the metal - curiously contrived and slabby in equal amounts. Shame, as the current Insignia is a really tidy car.


Off to Specsavers for you FB, that's stunning (and a bit Citroeny!)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks massively better than the current blobby thing
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I could shit into a bucket, fit wheels to it and it would still look better than the current one.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That looked promising from the initial shots with camouflage on but the proportions don't look anywhere near as nice in the metal - curiously contrived and slabby in equal amounts. Shame, as the current Insignia is a really tidy car.


Off to Specsavers for you FB, that's stunning (and a bit Citroeny!)


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PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
That looked promising from the initial shots with camouflage on but the proportions don't look anywhere near as nice in the metal - curiously contrived and slabby in equal amounts. Shame, as the current Insignia is a really tidy car.


Off to Specsavers for you FB, that's stunning (and a bit Citroeny!)


CitroŽny 😳


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Generally looks good, but will wait to see it in other specs and in the flesh. The current one looked great in original spy shots but in reality looks like a hippo in ballet pumps, especially on the short button wheels of the base specs.

The chrome strip on the estate rear pillar is even worse than that on the Astra estate. Rear pillars seem to be a real weak point of current car design generally for some reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The looks promising based on these pictures. The black car has hints of BMW 4 series Gran Coupe about it. Looking forward to seeing one in the metal.
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Generally looks good, but will wait to see it in other specs and in the flesh. The current one looked great in original spy shots but in reality looks like a hippo in ballet pumps, especially on the short button wheels of the base specs.


This.

I'm alone in liking the original but like many cars it's wheel sensitive. The BMW E53 five series was awful on the original button wheels.

I saw a Chrysler 300C on some massive wheels the other day and it did look stunning.

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My E500 looked great thanks to it's wheels, the poverty spec models with button wheels looked flabby.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks really good that, especially the estate version. The current Insignia saloon is a bit of an amorphous lump although, again, the estate is the better looker.
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Looks like a Mondeo!
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PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
That looked promising from the initial shots with camouflage on but the proportions don't look anywhere near as nice in the metal - curiously contrived and slabby in equal amounts. Shame, as the current Insignia is a really tidy car.


Off to Specsavers for you FB, that's stunning (and a bit Citroeny!)


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I like that on the whole but if if I was asked I would say the Estate looks like a new Pug 508 and the Saloon a new Citroen C5.

I always quite like the original Insignia but it hasn't helped that's its tried to compete in its market place being nearly 10 years old.
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I like that - I also like the current Insignia (when on the right wheels) - better looking than 3 series, A4, Mondeo etc
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Looks like a Mondeo!


I was thinking Hyundai i40 myself.
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The bulging rear wheelarch is a current BMW 3 or 5 ripoff.
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Estate looks good. Or am I just a secret van lover?
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Official picture now on Autocar. Insignia Grand Sport:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...a-grand-sport-officially-revealed

Good effort Vauxhall.
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Saw the official pictures on the CAR website and agree it does look good in those - need to see one up-close, perhaps it's a car that suits white.
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VW CC at the rear? 90% of these are going to be on tiny wheels and will look like buggies.
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Does look good but then they go and do the normal Vauxhall think and chuck a load of chrome at the grille to give it a Terry Thomas moustache. Ding Dong
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I like it even more, it's going to be a cracking used buy from the car supermarkets.
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That is once cracking looking car. Having watched a 4 minute video of the styling on YouTube I like it even more. Interior is such a nice place and bit of design now, everything looks like its positioned just where you want it to be, no blanks, it looks premium

One thing...will it come with a rear wiper? First photos suggest it won't...poor omission if not...I've said it before and I'll say it again....it WILL put me off buying one

(my argument is that even if it's not raining there might have been a shower and the water might have dried and left a covering of debris (I get sand and dust from the local cement works regularly deposited all over my car) which restricts rear visibility. Okay, you don't drive continuously peering into your rear mirror but to see out of the back clearly and have the ability to clean the rear window is important and safe). I don't want the inconvenience of running a damp rag over the rear window before every journey

Surely designers can come up with a less intrusive, lightweight rear wiper blade and mechanism that wouldn't spoil the lines of the car

BMW 3-Series GT, 4-series, 5-Series GT, Audi A5 Sportback (my favourite)...just a few examples...all essentially family 5 door cars all of which I would look at but none have the ability to wash and wipe the rear screen. Not that this will put off buyer and not that either would careless about missing out on one sale but I wonder if there are any other potential buyers out off.
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In paler colours, looks a lot better than the image at the top of this thread, and as you say one cracking looking car with a very attractive interior. †Of course the real shame is that a vast number of the buyers of this class of car just ignore anything that hasn't got an Audi or BMW badge on the front - I know which I'd rather have.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicle...Y4tACFQNicgodCNAE7Q&gclsrc=ds
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It looks very Passat CC to me from the rear quarter angle - not a bad thing at all.
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It looks very Passat CC to me from the rear quarter angle - not a bad thing at all.


It looks like they took the back end from a Passat CC and welded it to the front end of a Volvo (I think it's the grille / light shape that shout Volvo to me).

I think what is a big improvement over the current one is what appears to be extra length - either through it being lower or actually longer.
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The rear window and quarter light looks really odd -

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Post facelift CC more similar. Probably doesn't help that 99% of CCs were white too.
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I think the 'quarter light' is fake.
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I don't know whether it's fake or not, but I think it looks rather smart
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It probably isn't fake but has no more than a small triangle of glass to peek through from the inside.
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Generally looks good, but will wait to see it in other specs and in the flesh. The current one looked great in original spy shots but in reality looks like a hippo in ballet pumps, especially on the short button wheels of the base specs.


This.

I'm alone in liking the original but like many cars it's wheel sensitive. The BMW E53 five series was awful on the original button wheels.

I saw a Chrysler 300C on some massive wheels the other day and it did look stunning.

(something like this)



My E500 looked great thanks to it's wheels, the poverty spec models with button wheels looked flabby.


Not totally alone with regards the current Insignia. I've always thought it was a handsome car. The latest models on massive wheels look great to my eyes.  The current car is huge and that new one looks enormous.

You are on your own with that 300C, though.
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^
That 300C appears to have just 2 doors and I thought all those imported into the UK were 4-door saloons or 5-door estates.


I still reckon that the "Phoenix 4" should have got the 300C badge-engineered as a Rover instead of going the V-8 75 route, or Tata Shitty-Rover route as one of their first tasks after purchasing from BMW
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Estate looks good





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That does look smart.
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You could almost swap the front badge for a 3 pointed star and have a new CLS shooting brake, however I bet the interior won't be a patch on a Benz
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Generally it does look good but that crease in the side of the doors makes it look like the driver has misjudged the location of a bollard.
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I wish Vauxhall would get over the obsession of running a chrome strip over the D pillar. It's better integrated on this than Adam and Astra, but still doesn't look right. Other than that big thumbs up from me.
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Michael wrote:
Generally it does look good but that crease in the side of the doors makes it look like the driver has misjudged the location of a bollard.


I'd hate to work at a bodyshop when one of these comes in with door damage.

Not a bad looking thing, very Mazda 6 at the front. But, it will look pretty terrible on eco spec shirt button wheels.
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I wish Vauxhall would get over the obsession of running a chrome strip over the D pillar. It's better integrated on this than Adam and Astra, but still doesn't look right. Other than that big thumbs up from me.


I hate and detest chrome on cars, barely managing to live with the tiny amount left on my own car (can't remove or easily cover the tailgate strip or sill strip - dammitall)

This would be bearable, but like Michael says, those doors make the driver look like a complete dimwit. Mind you, if most will go to reps . . . . . .
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Agree about the chrome. It looks less like a Silver Cross pram on this, but still terrible.

The only thing I don't like about my car is the HUGE chrome grill.
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Would look good with the chrome in Matt grey on yours.
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Funny you should mention that, I've been looking at ways to recoat it.
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Vauxhall seemed to have managed to wean themselves off big shiny grilles and huge slabs of chrome across the back, but have clearly tried to use up some of the chrome quota with those strips over the roof instead. Other then those it is a really nice looking design.  

I wonder if there will be a de-chrome option on the sporty models to have those rails in body colour?
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Really good looking estate, probably the most attractive around at the moment. I like the crease down the side, it takes some of the slab-sidedness out of what is still a large car, making it look lower and leaner.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does look good

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