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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:18 pm    Post subject: 440i Gran Coupe  Reply with quote

Managed to test-drive a 16-plate 440i Gran Coupe yesterday. Which quite predictably drove very much like the 435i convertible I tried last year with the exception that it didn't have the adaptive suspension, which was useful as it helped me to ascertain that even on west London's scarred tarmac, it may not be the "must have" that the journos would have you believe. Undecided as to whether it is a key option.



Drive-wise, the engine is indeed lovely. It made a very classical and noticeable BMW straight six noise when fired up by the salesman to get it out of the slot for me – the sort of noise that would make a petrol head turn around just to see what had started up. Rather nicer than my car. On the go, it's more muted inside, but cracks a fantastic snarl pretty smartly if you put your foot down. It also certainly shifts. Performance feels on par with the M135i, which is borne out by the stats that BMW claims for it (0-60 in 4.9), but it's more easily accessed via the 8-speed automatic gearbox. In Sport mode, it does the stabbed rat thing with the best of them, accompanied by an instant yowl which is decidedly more stabbed puma than stabbed rat.

If I had a criticism, it is that the initial throttle response doesn't feel quite as keen as on my car, either in Comfort or Sport, which I also noted on the 435i. In fact it was instructive to drive the 440i and M135i back-to-back. Getting back into mine and returning along the same roads, the M135i feels definitely sportier – of course stirring your own gears helps in that respect – but it has a rawer feel, perhaps unsurprisingly. The GC is definitely (and one suspects deliberately) more of a laid-back personality. That said, on 19" alloys with RFTs (this particular car had the MSport Plus pack which I would choose) and as noted without adaptive suspension, it was a stiffer ride than my car. Not bad though, just less compliant than my car on 18" non-RFTs, which is as you would probably expect. It wasn't the sort of test-drive on which you get to indulge your inner Queef and really test the handling, but it felt like it would not disappoint in that respect and I've never read a bad review of the 4-series' handling.



Coming from the 1-series, I confess that a big part of the appeal of the 4GC is the styling. It's not perfect – the 6GC does the led-sled thing rather better – but it's still a slinky appealing design, looking long and low with bags of presence. The one I drove was, as you can see, a touch conventional in Sapphire Black with an imagination-free German black leather interior with lashings of silvered trim, but it still looked good and the bicolour alloys looked heaps better in real life than on the configurator. The interior is lifted hugely by going for any of the contrasting leather colours and any of the non-silver trim options.

As previously noted, the cabin architecture is almost too familiar coming from another BMW – it would be nice if it were more different just for the sake of it, but then again that does mean it is all logical and easy to use, and the latest M-Sport steering wheel is a great improvement on the overly fat-bossed version in my early M135i – I can actually see the entire instrument display which is a novelty. Plus it doesn't mean having to forgo BMW's iDrive system which is still better than anything else in a mainstream car that I have tried so far. The cabin is also definitely more spacious, however, and therefore more comfortable, particularly upfront. The frameless doors are a surprisingly appealing touch, adding that unexpected little touch of exotic to remind you it isn’t just a 3-series saloon.



A key feature of the interior of the 4GC for us is the boot space, the idea being that this represents a slinkier yet still practical alternative to a 3er Touring given that my wife has an aversion to estate cars. And it is pretty spacious. Not by Mondeo estate standards, but usefully more than the M135i, despite the compromises imposed by the sloping rear window. I think it would be easily big enough for a family with a single child. And, hallelujah, you get proper carpeting rather than the nasty felted nonsense inflicted by BMW on my current car… The standard fob-operated electric open/shut feature for the tailgate is also a nice feature.



And in fact the standard spec compared to a 3-series is pretty comprehensive. As well as the powered tailgate, you get all sorts of goodies such as Pro Nav, Xenons, Heated electric front seats etc as standard and in fact my list of chosen options is pretty short (not just to keep the monthlies low but also because not much was needed) – I'd go for the MSport Plus pack (brings HK audio, uprated brakes, 19" alloys and gangsta glass for £1900), Walnut trim, sunroof, folding mirrors and a reversing camera (not for me, but the wife will love it). Plus possibly adaptive suspension. And that's it.

So, I think I'm pretty much sold on the idea, subject to getting the wife on board (the tricky bit) and getting a worthwhile deal (which is looking possible – around 20% discount and 2.9% APR). It's not a must-do; I (she) could still decide we are not going for it. But we were pretty much agreed that a new more spacious car was needed next year, and given the good deal, the impending price rises due to the collapse of the pound, and the tax changes due next April on cars with RRP over £40k, it seems logical to at least consider it now.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not much of a BMW fan, but that model is the one I'd have. Still not sure why they make the 3GT alongside it, though...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a 3GT in the showroom. Like the fatter uglier twin. Bonkers.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not much of a BMW fan, but that model is the one I'd have. Still not sure why they make the 3GT alongside it, though...


Oddly, it's not that I'm a huge BMW fan. It's just that my wife strongly prefers saloons to estates, so the fastback shape is a good compromise and there aren't many of those to choose from.

I looked at the new S5 Sportback and, whilst there was a surprisingly good deal available on one of those two considering it hasn't actually launched yet AND Audi offer a dark metallic green as an option, the price on PCP wasn't nearly as keen. The difference was around £75 per month more over the 440i on a like-for-like spec despite the S5 having a much higher GFV (£23k vs £17k), which makes me suspicious that one's retained equity at the end of the PCP on the Audi might not be all that great whereas BMW seem to judge it pretty conservatively (for which read "well").

And that's before you consider that the reviews for the 440i have been very positive and the reviews for the new S5 in coupe flavour have been decidedly lukewarm, plus it is a backward step styling-wise compared to the original S5 Sportback.

S7 is too expensive, XE-S is very expensive on PCP, likewise the C43 AMG (which has also had lukewarm reviews), the Giulia is only interesting in Q4 form and that's way too expensive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds very nice.

I'd add comfort access to your spec (not expensive on the 3/4 and you'd benefit every day) and upgrade the leather to further separate it from the M135i.  I wouldn't be able to resist voodoo LEDs either....


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of monthly are these coming out at with the discount and low APR? (Ballpark).

As alluded to elsewhere the Jag may be in need of a change and I'm looking at options.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough I followed one earlier today and noted to myself how good they looked.

I agree on your reasons that the time to buy is now.

Also this bit is a key attraction to me as well "A key feature of the interior of the 4GC for us is the boot space, the idea being that this represents a slinkier yet still practical alternative to a 3er Touring given that my wife has an aversion to estate cars".

Much as Estates are handy, it's the hatch which is the big help unless you are lugging washing machines about.

A5/4er/A7 have a large attraction. As does the XK coupe/TT for the same reason if less practical overall.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 440i Gran Coupe Reply with quote

I like the 4GC, especially in the right spec - agree with Martin, I'd get the comfort access too - it's FG we have on the DS4 that I curse when going to open the A2 by grabbing the handle now, it's so useful.

Racing Teatray wrote:
I think it would be easily big enough for a family with a single child.


Speaking figuratively?!?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What sort of monthly are these coming out at with the discount and low APR? (Ballpark).

As alluded to elsewhere the Jag may be in need of a change and I'm looking at options.

O


If you build a car on the BMW configurator, select 'Buy your BMW', which allows you to change the PCP parameters to work out the cost.  All you have to do is add the difference between the Broadspeed / Coast to a Coast cars discount and the quoted finance contribution to your deposit figure.

Simple.

Worth knowing that some options improve the GFV, e.g. M Sport Plus pack / Professional Nav, but most don't unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4gc was my top choice for a new car, it was great in 420d form but the 440 must be epic. It was only the company car tax which put it behind the Merc.

Have you considered a nearly new A7 3.0tdi?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 440i Gran Coupe Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:



Blimey - I reckon I could get my double bass in there! Been thinking a lot lately about an M140i too ...
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What sort of monthly are these coming out at with the discount and low APR? (Ballpark).

As alluded to elsewhere the Jag may be in need of a change and I'm looking at options.

O


£386 over 48 months. Which all things equalised and adjusted for warranties, road tax rates etc, is about £50pcm more than the M135i:

Hence not adding premium leather (£1215)/voodoo lights (£1600)/comfort access etc as they cost a lot without adding meaningfully to the GFV, so have a disproportionate effect on the monthly cost. If I had to pick one more option, it would be the leather dash(£815), as that adds greatly to the perceived quality, but all individual options lengthen delivery/order times quite considerably.
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Interestingly, Mrs RT hasn't completely ruled it out, despite being convinced that there is nefarious man maths at work here. Mostly I think she's just happy it's not an old Porsche or Maserati!!

Colour-wise she thinks Carbon Black or Mineral Grey (sees no point in paying £845 for individual colours like Tanzanite Blue when CB/MG are free) and she agrees with me on Saddle Brown leather and walnut trim (we have fineline wood in the M135i, so going for walnut for a slightly different look).
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I'm comprehensively out of sync here - that lights no fire under me whatever.
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I'm comprehensively out of sync here - that lights no fire under me whatever.


Doesn't need to I don't think. Racing wants a new car and is using impending parent hood as man-reasoning. Thinks like most new parents that a 7.5 tonne truck will be needed but will settle for something a bit bigger than the 1er. Estates are bit too dull so a fast back fits the bill. That all narrows it down to an A5 or the bimmer.

With all that in mind a tastefully specced 440 GC is going to be a lovely thing.

Though I suspect you are right 12th and the lack of fire will mean Racing will chop it in within the first 2 years for a Maserati GranTurismo  


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What sort of monthly are these coming out at with the discount and low APR? (Ballpark).

As alluded to elsewhere the Jag may be in need of a change and I'm looking at options.

O


£386 over 48 months. Which all things equalised and adjusted for warranties, road tax rates etc, is about £50pcm more than the M135i:

Hence not adding premium leather (£1215)/voodoo lights (£1600)/comfort access etc as they cost a lot without adding meaningfully to the GFV, so have a disproportionate effect on the monthly cost. If I had to pick one more option, it would be the leather dash(£815), as that adds greatly to the perceived quality, but all individual options lengthen delivery/order times quite considerably.


Looks and sounds great.  I've said before ... a 340i touring is hugely appealing.

I thought the voodoo lights (icon adaptive is the correct name?) were about £700?
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I'm comprehensively out of sync here - that lights no fire under me whatever.


+1 sort of.
I like the thought of the performance but otherwise the car is relatively unappealing.
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Andy - they are less on the 3 when you add the M Sport Plus pack because that gives you (more basic) LEDs.  The 4 series has Xenons as standard so the upgrade cost is greater / the sams as on the 5 series.

It sounds like it doesn't really need any man maths to justify, but I'm impressed with Racings tactic of looking at old stuff to scare Mrs Racing into agreeing to a brand new car.
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I'm comprehensively out of sync here - that lights no fire under me whatever.


It's not necessarily lighting huge fires for me. Hence prevaricating. But find me something that really does light fires for the same outlay? New, petrol-powered, 4/5drs, fast, decently spacious, well-equipped, doesn't glug fuel like Oliver Reed, and yours for £6k down and under £400pcm?

Also, I looked at eg RS4 Avants but, apart from her estate car aversion, the fuel bills and the fact they don't fall within budget easily, Mrs RT has made it quite clear that she won't countenance swapping our immaculate owned-from-new 4 yr old car for a similarly aged one or younger car where "we don't know how it has been treated". So she will only agree to a replacement that is new and therefore comes with all the benefits of being new (warranty/servicing deal/fresh consumables/latest tech/latest eco-creds). And, not being stupid, she only really likes this deal because the discount on offer effectively knocks off the VAT and the APR is very low, therefore negating some of the issues around buying new.
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Why don't you get the missus into something like the 440i and then you can drive whatever the hell you like.

Works well for me. Got Mrs Ed the 3 series Touring, shes happy because its got red leather and therefore she doesn't get a say, or isn't bothered on what I have.
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Why don't you get the missus into something like the 440i and then you can drive whatever the hell you like.

Works well for me. Got Mrs Ed the 3 series Touring, shes happy because its got red leather and therefore she doesn't get a say, or isn't bothered on what I have.


My wife's idea is that if we get this, then she can perhaps get a 2-seat roadster. She's clearly a little tired of the 500 and one of her friends at work commutes in a smart dark blue Z4, so that has got her thinking about eg a 124 Spider. Apparently she spent some time poking around in one at the dealership the other week whilst waiting for her 500 to be serviced and she likes it and thought the pricing reasonable.

I'd be up for that/an MX-5
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Joint test of MX5 and 124 in Evo recently and despite being identical the tan leather in the Fiat made it look a cut above. It's actually a nicely designed interior so specced well it won't lose out much to a Z4 (in fact it's quite similar)
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Racing Teatray wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I'm comprehensively out of sync here - that lights no fire under me whatever.


It's not necessarily lighting huge fires for me. Hence prevaricating. But find me something that really does light fires for the same outlay? New, petrol-powered, 4/5drs, fast, decently spacious, well-equipped, doesn't glug fuel like Oliver Reed, and yours for £6k down and under £400pcm?

Also, I looked at eg RS4 Avants but, apart from her estate car aversion, the fuel bills and the fact they don't fall within budget easily, Mrs RT has made it quite clear that she won't countenance swapping our immaculate owned-from-new 4 yr old car for a similarly aged one or younger car where "we don't know how it has been treated". So she will only agree to a replacement that is new and therefore comes with all the benefits of being new (warranty/servicing deal/fresh consumables/latest tech/latest eco-creds). And, not being stupid, she only really likes this deal because the discount on offer effectively knocks off the VAT and the APR is very low, therefore negating some of the issues around buying new.


I can see the logic, sorry, my comment reads as a bid snide in isolation.  We went from the Passat (which was colossal) to the A3 (which was not) with two young kids and coped just fine.  But then I didn't undertake many trans-continental journeys!
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Which derivatives of the 4GC come with XDrive (if any)?
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Which derivatives of the 4GC come with XDrive (if any)?


Either the 420i or take your pick of the diesels. The 440i comes with xDrive on the continent, but not here...
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The engine they put in all the 40i models is apparently new (B58 or some such) and it apparently has much better spread of torque and torque peak than the old engine (same torque peak as the tweaked old engine they use in the M2).

There are some silly figures being bandied around on Pistonheads (M140i manual/auto 0 to 100 mph times of 10.6 secs and 9.9 secs respectively) - but in truth the auto must be sub 11 seconds.

I can't think of another power train that melds performance, sound quality and fuel economy to the same extent.

It's amazing how much more horsepower you need just to shave a second off those 0 to 100 times. Unless you are a total headcase who regularly drives at 150 mph, when precisely in this country is an M3/M5/XFR/C63 AMG going to be noticeably and decisively quicker ?.
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Does anyone know whether the clever-clogs high-beam assist feature works with the standard xenons or whether it only comes with the "Icon LED" upgraded lights?

My biggest dilemma at the moment is whether or not to add adaptive suspension. I have it on the M135i but am not clear it's an essential feature for £515.
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John can tell you how good it is, as he's got Adaptive Xenons on his.  The principle is the same, but it uses blanking to cut the beam off rather than having multiple LEDs (inc what appear to be searchlights for the side of the road) to give you the optimum beam patterns.

I'd be loathed to go back having regular use of Adaptive Xenons as well.  They don't have high beam assist but do have an additional high beam bulb so main beam is very bright (when you can use it)
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I have adaptive and high-beam assist on the M135i. Just never use the latter (given it is a bit dim-witted) and not clear on the necessity of the former.
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The high beam assist in yours is just on/off with a more basic sensor,  the variable systems have a camera that tracks cars (light sources) and react as quickly as you can manually leaving as much high beam for as long as possible.  

In mine, the high beam moves and gradually decreases as a car approaches, so if you're mid corner and a car is coming the other way, you will always get full beam on your side of the road as the right hand side reduces and the left headlight turns into the corner.

It's the one good thing about the darker evenings.
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So (and apologies if I am being slow on the uptake), you don't need the voodoo LEDs to have the new-generation adaptive system. If that's the case, I could reconsider.
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Does the 4gc come with standard elec seats? I can't get on with the manual 3/4er adjustment at all. Lift height adjustment and plunge to the floor!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which derivatives of the 4GC come with XDrive (if any)?


Either the 420i or take your pick of the diesels. The 440i comes with xDrive on the continent, but not here...


Pah, I'm out in that case, unless that changes in the next couple of years. The roads dan 'ere are a mess so RWD doesn't appeal, rather like a 4 pot or diesel Beemer.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So (and apologies if I am being slow on the uptake), you don't need the voodoo LEDs to have the new-generation adaptive system. If that's the case, I could reconsider.


The Xenon system is a half way house, it uses the same sensor, but it's still just one bulb that does everything, so it can't be as flexible and as the bulb is being partially covered, probably isn't as bright.  The cornering light is much more effective as well as it's in the main unit.

The headlight unit is the same on the 4GC so you don't get a visual improvement like you do on the 5 series and as you're coming from normal Xenons, it's difficult to justify the extra.  Remember that you need Adaptive Xenons with high beam assist to get the functionality, which reduces the gap to full LEDs (down to under £1000 in my case after discount)

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Does the 4gc come with standard elec seats? I can't get on with the manual 3/4er adjustment at all. Lift height adjustment and plunge to the floor!


It does on the 25d and above, after having manual seats in the 320d hire car, I agree that they are essential.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chip Butty wrote:
The engine they put in all the 40i models is apparently new (B58 or some such) and it apparently has much better spread of torque and torque peak than the old engine (same torque peak as the tweaked old engine they use in the M2).

There are some silly figures being bandied around on Pistonheads (M140i manual/auto 0 to 100 mph times of 10.6 secs and 9.9 secs respectively) - but in truth the auto must be sub 11 seconds.

I can't think of another power train that melds performance, sound quality and fuel economy to the same extent.

It's amazing how much more horsepower you need just to shave a second off those 0 to 100 times. Unless you are a total headcase who regularly drives at 150 mph, when precisely in this country is an M3/M5/XFR/C63 AMG going to be noticeably and decisively quicker ?.


The 140i is as quick as the M2 until you hit over 100mph. I guess the point of all these M/AMG/RS models is they're supposed to add a load of fun at normal speeds, certainly true of my Cayman but will be interesting to see how true it is in the M2
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bryan M wrote:
Does the 4gc come with standard elec seats? I can't get on with the manual 3/4er adjustment at all. Lift height adjustment and plunge to the floor!


Manual seats are a joke in BMW's, you have no chance of adjusting the back rest whilst on the move. I would be interested in Electric seats but you sit far too high in the 3 series with the manual seats so with electric your probably adding another couple of centimetres onto the height due to all the electrical gubbins
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you can see, there's a bit more to the Voodoo LEDs

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great poster Martin. Is that up in your bedroom or the study?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does the engine compare to the rs3 just out of interest ?

Bit of a shame the 3/440i doesn't get the 140i engine upgrade
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Great poster Martin. Is that up in your bedroom or the study?


Bathroom. Tissue close at hand there...
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Great poster Martin. Is that up in your bedroom or the study?




I'm a long way from being that bad / geeky, just trying to be helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How does the engine compare to the rs3 just out of interest ?

Bit of a shame the 3/440i doesn't get the 140i engine upgrade


The RS3 engine noise makes you giggle. The 440i doesn't.

However the RS3 saloon is likely to fall short on timing for delivery and size/practicality. And quite possibly expense.
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Great poster Martin. Is that up in your bedroom or the study?




I'm a long way from being that bad / geeky, just trying to be helpful.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
Andy C wrote:
How does the engine compare to the rs3 just out of interest ?

Bit of a shame the 3/440i doesn't get the 140i engine upgrade


The RS3 engine noise makes you giggle. The 440i doesn't.

However the RS3 saloon is likely to fall short on timing for delivery and size/practicality. And quite possibly expense.


I thought I'd read that the RS3 saloon wasn't coming to the uk?
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Racing Teatray wrote:
Andy C wrote:
How does the engine compare to the rs3 just out of interest ?

Bit of a shame the 3/440i doesn't get the 140i engine upgrade


The RS3 engine noise makes you giggle. The 440i doesn't.

However the RS3 saloon is likely to fall short on timing for delivery and size/practicality. And quite possibly expense.


I thought I'd read that the RS3 saloon wasn't coming to the uk?


Not sure where you read that. I had an email from Audi UK inviting me to register my interest.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't go raiding the custom paint options as whoever ordered this one did:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610018312216
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Ha, no. Proper individual paint is around £2k, and that's a little dear given that Carbon Black is free. So I think CB it will be, although Mrs RT quite likes Mineral Grey.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just don't go raiding the custom paint options as whoever ordered this one did:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610018312216


That must lop 10-20% off its resale value.  Or 100%, if the potential purchaser was me...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy to find in a car park.
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Yep.  Aim for the highest concentration of vomit on the ground.


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