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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Enjoy the caravan. I can see the point but they're not for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racing Teatray wrote:
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Nice car, shame about the thing you'll attach to it. Even looking at a photo of a caravan depresses me.


Mmm. The only place they appeal to me is in the US of A, on a road trip to eg Burning Man. But even then you'd really want a Winnebago...


I can see your point. But US caravans and motorhomes are a different species to our weany ones. It's like taking your second home with you, rather than a shed on wheels.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now a motorhome I can get on board with, don't know why. I guess a motorhome brings to mind pioneering drives to far flung locations. The image I get from Caravans are siting around a campsite in the rain, in matching shell suits and eating baked beans. Not suggesting anyone here fits that stereotype
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like Motorhomes.  Maybe they're OK if they're big enough to take a car along (inside or towed behind) but otherwise they're a complete pain if you want to stay somewhere for more than a night and when you're travelling from A to B you're driving a van when you could be in a nice car.  

My mum would be horrified with NGEs view of the typical caravanner.  She gets shirty with me if I dare to call it camping....
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At last you didn't do what a lot of people seem to do and think a big SUV is essential....


I'm sure my folks don't need anything as hefty as their Terracan but, as someone who has towed for over 30 years with cars from an Escort upwards, my dad says the stability it gives is excellent.

As well as a bigger tow car, I'd want plenty of torque and power, too. Still gotta overtake, you know...


I'd argue that you could have something too big and powerful though so there's a balance to be struck.

I haven't towed a caravan before but did tow a trailer with a Mitsubishi ASX on it using a Subaru Legacy and that was fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking at Californians myself.....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.


Same....
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Arnie's an Austrian.

Been looking at T6 Califs. Fuck me they're expensive, even in Germany. Some decent high spec sub-80k km T5s on AutoScout but I'd need a 2 year plan to use one before I sunk the cash. Like going to 5 GPs per annum, or buying a classic bike to race or track day. Not likely to get a pass for that for a couple of years.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are usually plenty of hotels near circuits and 5 of them a year will be much cheaper, plus you won't have to sleep in the back of a small van.  Or even better if you want to do self catering, rent a house / cottage for the weekend.

Being serious for a moment....I don't get why caravans and so bad and camper vans are OK?    Putting aside my point about setting off on your holiday in a van, at least FB will have his own toilet and shower.  He'll also have a decent heater (maybe blown air central heating?) fridge/freezer, cooker etc and a more comfortable bed.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather have a caravan at £10k or so over a £40-50k camper.

An old Airstream would look really good being towed by the Land Rover.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would, but I prefer this combination.

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Yes, but that's only because you don't see the appeal of driving an agricultural vehicle as your every day car!    
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend an colleague of mine has an old American 'mobile home' (A 22' Barth) he uses for holidays.

His daily drive is an R35 GTR and he's a pretty big petrol head but genuinely loves using it although I guess the Chevy 454 engine restores some of his petrol headedness.


However, on his most recent trip last week one of these parked up in the same camping park - he did take pics of the real thing but the ones on the web are better - it's bonkers - Automobil 5800

http://www.actionmobil.com/en/2-axle/atacama/atacama-5800





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Camper van will sit at 180kph on the autobahn. A caravan is not allowed to.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Camper van will sit broken down on the autobahn.


A campervan (VW or other) is the hip, trendy, romantic option - too small and you end up sleeping and living in the awning, so you might as well have just gone camping.
A motorhome is the dream but they're too big in Europe, too inflexible when you get to your destination and just another engine to insure, maintain etc.
A caravan is the sensible option, albeit the least "trendy", as if that matters for family holidays. You drive your own car and can use it while the van is parked up, and a van meets 90% of the things a motorhome offers with 10% of the inconvenience.

Their are two types of people with caravans - those who take caravan holidays and caravanners - just don't become one the latter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.


And another. I'm not sure if it would be best to buy a California or get a Transporter and have it converted. They must have the best residuals of anything with four wheels.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I've just had a similar discussion with a relative who has recently sold his 'bay' T2 for £20k (having bought it for £6k a decade ago and apart from general maintenance has only spent real money on a partial respray), he has bought a T5 (air con, tailgate etc) and had it converted - they will use it for weekends away (like they did the 'bay') but it won't be used for holidays and that's the difference really, their week in Cornwall will will be in a cottage having used the T5 to get there rather than their Disco Sport.

We like spending a week here and there in the uk and a fortnight each summer in France, plus the odd weekend in good weather - the caravan should be ideal for this use, okay I have to tow it but when I get there it will have all the comfort we need and want really. Next summer we are off to Cyprus (not in the caravan!) so I suspect we will do a shorter trip to France for May half term.

I do fancy a motorhome one day but that's part of the retirement plan where we tour moving on every few days for weeks on end with all the comfort and a pair of bikes for local biffing about - however, we might just find a more expensive caravan suits when it comes to it.


For me, the idea of a motorhome is too compromised unless it's large enough to tow a small car. The VW T5 option is very much the "lifestyle" thing of the moment and I can see tbe appeal to a certain extent but they are far too small and you need the tent annexe if you have kids and are going for a longer break. A good mate of mine is in Cornwall in his at the moment. His is his every day car. There's no way I would want to do every single journey in a van, as good as it was to Paris and back last summer. As an aside, I'd love to know how many fucking VW vans are in Cornwall at this time of year!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice colour. About a gazillion times better for a DS4 than silver.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does look really smart, lovely colour.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, a bit late to this!  Glad you are enjoying it - the colour really does suit the car very well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I'm here in France it struck me: the DS4 looks several times nicer in the metal than in photos.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks very nice indeed.

Here's to many happy miles (and equally happy ones towing your tin tent!)


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My wife would like a 'turD in the similar red colour that Renault offer; the DS looks good in red too
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Till I saw the side view, I'd forgotten the DS4 has hidden rear door handles. Nice touch.

You treat your camera very well - giving it its own seat.  
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Just looking at the pictures again as I didn't notice the camera....can't believe the DS5 has less rear legroom!  You can't really fit anyone with feet behind the drivers seat as you've got it set the DS5 must be up against the rear cushion.  

Does the DS5 have a longer rear seat cushion, making the knee room appear less when it isn't?  The DS4 looks quite short, using the car seat as a good reference.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Access to the rear does look challenging. Nice colour, I hope you enjoy it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done on buying the worst car on sale

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/ds/ds-4-review/

(actually the answer to the headline is no, in fact it doesn't match the article - clearly a sub-editor with an axe to grind)

I did wonder when ruminating about your need for a bigger diesel whether you had bought a caravan but like Martin thought the DS4 too small. Obviously not.  It does look too nice to be doing it though!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Caravan is being collected half 4 on Friday then it's a trip away for the weekend relatively local - looking forward to it.


I do hope you're watching this:

http://www.channel5.com/show/carry-on-caravanning

Let it serve as a warning.  

The guy doing the video blogging about the best loo paper for your caravan toilet is my hero.
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I actually watched this, very entertaining!

http://bbc.in/2bkQAZM
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I actually watched this, very entertaining!

http://bbc.in/2bkQAZM


Caravanner of the Year. That's quite an accolade..
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I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  
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I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  


I thought Alan was in his 50s?
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I may have mentioned this before, but my Uncle was a race winning caravanner (sponsored by Opel) back in the 70s and I watched him at Silverstone, Oulton Park and a few other circuits in the UK.  He slept in the caravan the night before / between qualifying and racing, trying to keep it in one piece.   He raced against Tony Pond in one race iirc.

I think the caravan club set it up partly to get the speed limit increased.

They have a section on it in the national motor museum and it's how caravanner of the year should be contested now.

http://nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/road_rally_the_legacy
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Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is. Good colour, though.

Do you have the back rest for FB Junior's seat? It's the same as Evan's seat and I still use the back rest for now as it positions the belt across the shoulder properly.
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I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  


Who he nearly ran over in the reversing test as she wandered aimlessly about behind the caravan.
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Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is..


What is going on with the ride height?
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Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is..


What is going on with the ride height?


Erm, nothing...?!


Any chat on your Citroen forums about lowering DS4s?
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Didn't Citroen originally plan this as an SUV but bottle it at the last minute? No future in the segment, after all.
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3-box saloons are the future Michael!

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