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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject: Volvo XC70 D5  Reply with quote

According to the insurance people the correct name is Volvo XC70 D5 AWD SE Lux Nav 220. Big name, big car.

I've had it a few weeks now and managed to get 1600 miles under the wheels so I though I'd share a few early impressions.

It was Louisa who suggested we change the car. I was quite happy to keep the D3 going but that car was getting more of a pain to live with every day being too small, a bit too uncomfortable and generally just old. We had a list of 'possibles' which were gradually ruled out on account of size, cost and centrally mounted exhausts.

Aside from boot space a towing capability was desirable as was some off road ability. We plan to get a boat so we can do water work with the dogs and there was talk of a caravan but that's now ruled out.

The first to fall was the Mercedes ML. This was the anticipated successor to the D3 but re-familiarising ourselves with it we soon realised it was too high for the dogs to get into. I was also very dubious of the costs of running it, I can tolerate poor fuel economy but MLs really do take the piss.

I was tempted by a 530d which would have stretched the budget but for that you do get a high specification car. I ruled it out mainly on cost grounds but lack of all wheel drive and ground clearance was an issue. With a car like that I'd be very much resigned to one car and as an only car I don't want a 5 series.

The Audi A6 Allroad was harder to rule out. They are damned expensive but I found it much easier to justify their price than the 5 series. They have the go anywhere ability but the rake on the tailgate and that price meant it was a no. That said I came close to cancelling the Volvo a week before delivery and ordering an A6.

Going the cheaper route a Focus ST estate has a surprisingly large and well shaped boot. Those exhaust pipes in conjunction with my incredibly unhelpful local dealer ruled that out.

So, I found myself at Volvo. I've always liked the XC70 and having tried a D5 that my dealership had up for £22k I thought it was job done. As the conversation started flowing with the dealer it became clear it deals were to be had on new ones, so much so that you'd be insane to buy a used one. My car which lists at a farcical £42+k was had for just over £30k. It gets better, put 50% down, less than you'd pay for a used one, and you get 0% finance over two years after which you own it outright. Oh, and they give you £500 for taking the finance. That costs includes five years servicing so for the first time in a long time I'm enjoying hassle free, generally bill free motoring (the D3 presented substantial bills with alarming frequency).

I'm glad I went for black, the silver is nice but I think it looks a lot smarter in black. I added privacy glass, heated seats load compensating suspension, a spare wheel and a Volvo boot liner the latter of which, at £180, is a complete waste of time as the dogs pull it from its securing fastenings as soon as they get in. I've ordered a 'boot buddy' for £110 which should be more fit for purpose. Inside I went for charcoal leather and milled aluminium trim which is real metal and a surprisingly rare option as people seem to prefer 'graphite' which looks like cheap scratched plastic.

To own the D5 is about as far as a D3 as you can get whilst still being a black estate wagon. The interior is way more comfortable, looks and feels more modern although the materials are a rung down from BMW. Part of the comfort factor is the height of the driving position, I do prefer being sat high up and the seats, though very comfortable, lack the range of adjustment found in BMW sports seats. I miss the bolsters in particular.

To drive the differences over its forebear remain stark. The engine, new 220bhp derivative of the old 5 pot has a satisfying thrum to it which turns to a satisfying gruff snarl under acceleration. The gearbox was the biggest worry but actually isn't so bad. Drive it gently and it's completely fine, on a cruise it's trouble free. It needs another cog at the top of the box which would probably help economy but otherwise fine. Take it into onto back roads and try to push on and the gearbox is dimwitted, slow to change and a complete liability. However, slot the stick to the left to engage sport mode and it transforms. It's like the car has shed one of it's two tonnes and moves so much more freely, smoothly and it becomes a lot of fun to press on a bit more. What holds you back at this point is the lack of seat side bolsters and the body roll which, although not as bad as you'd expect, isn't great either.

To summarise the drive I enjoy taking it out, it's a nice place to be, it's got enough grunt to keep up and pass traffic and I'm quietly sure people think it's an unmarked car making progress up the motorway remarkably efficient in every sense except how it drinks fuel.

I didn't buy it for fuel economy but I can justify it. The fuel tank is much larger than the D3 so the range is better. The cost to fill it hardly matters these days as the prices are all over the place so I'm going to call that a win.

Oh, and the dogs like it. Initially Poppy wasn't sure and wouldn't get in but they seem to like their extra space. They also don't like the self closing boot lid so get well out of the way when that does its stuff.

I'm really happy with it, here it is in the back garden justifying the four wheel drive:


And here it is after spending an evening tearing across a stubble field and off roading around a friends farm:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At £30k that's a real deal. Looks really good in black and very smart. Glad you're liking it. What colour interior did you go for in the end?

The unmarked police car comment is very apt. I was caught up by a white XC70 going hell for leather on the M54 this morning and immediately though "fuck"..... only to be passed by a very smug looking gentleman who was having total success clearing the outside lane. Enjoy that!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the interior. All that looks like metal is, even that on the steering wheel. The console is a very nice piece of product design with the soft polished metal outer then the miller trim within it. Very nicely done:



Useless boot liner:


That incline is steeper than it looks:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice car. It looks spot on being taken off road.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great choice,the rake on the audi rear is indeed an issue for big dogs,the GSP has grown obviously and its a bit of a squeeze with her and the retriever.

You get a lot of the advantages of an SUV with non of the downsides,with these types of car.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks really good and a huge amount of car (literally!) for the money and having a hassle/unknown cost free car is worth a lot.  Really pleased to hear you're enjoying it as well as it fitting into your life as you'd expected.

Unless it's the angle of the photograph, the exhaust pipes would drive me mad.....

I was reminded of the uncanny lane clearing ability of powerful LED Headlights on the M6 last week.  I only had to use main beam once, pretty much everyone else jumped out of the way, especially if you closed the gap quickly.  It's even better when the main beam goes down both sides of their car, that seems to wake the dozy up.   No good in the daylight of course!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the angle the picture was taken, I've just been out to check - they do look a bit XF in that shot.
I'd have liked adaptive LEDs but I've got 'active bending lights' which turn with the wheel. They're xenon and turn night to day which is a bonus around here.
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Nice, I've got a soft spot for D5s. A V70 may well yet replace the Flying Postbox.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
It's the angle the picture was taken, I've just been out to check - they do look a bit XF in that shot.
I'd have liked adaptive LEDs but I've got 'active bending lights' which turn with the wheel. They're xenon and turn night to day which is a bonus around here.


That's good, especially as I don't remember seeing one with poorly fitted pipes.

Active bending!!  Do they have an additional high beam light or use a single xenon bulb for both dipped and main beam?   That seems to be the case with most xenon equipped cars these days, the Boxster has a halogen high beam unit as well, so they're as bright as the LEDs (just not as often).   Not that it matters as long as they turn night to day.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Volvo XC70 D5 Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
We plan to get a boat so we can do water work with the dogs

Born sailors???

The previous-shape XC70 is the only car I've driven that could flatten out speed bumps and not cause pain through my back each time I drove over one, so I've got a soft-spot for the XC70 too but it's simply too long to fit in my garage.

From your comments, has this got the older 5-pot engine then, rather than the newer 4-cylinder motor? I know that initially when the new engine came out, most Volvo autos stuck with the older 5-pot
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The high beam is backed up by halogen but I think that may be a legal requirement, I'm sure I've heard that but happy to be corrected. It seems to operate similar to the Compact in that the reflectors also open up on the xenon light so they contribute to the full beam effect.

Chris, the dogs are born swimmers. They have webbed feet and are bred for life saving. As the puppy is from working stock she's got an instinct for water and is better for swimming.

Mine has got the 5 pot, I don't think you can get AWD without it in the XC70. The new 4 is very efficient and the gearbox is better but I prefer AWD and I like the noise.
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Michael wrote:
The high beam is backed up by halogen but I think that may be a legal requirement, I'm sure I've heard that but happy to be corrected. It seems to operate similar to the Compact in that the reflectors also open up on the xenon light so they contribute to the full beam effect


That will be why they're so good, as you get full beam from the xenon bulb and the additional halogen light.  

It isn't a legal requirement, it's a different type of xenon light.   A bi-xenon headlight uses the same bulb for both dipped and main beam and some cars have an addiitonal halogen main beam as well as a bi-xenon unit.  The original xenon lights has a fixed unit for dipped beam and an additional halogen light for main beam, so there are 3 types of xenon light as far as I know.

My Dads 525d has the full adaptive xenons with high beam assist, but it's a standard bi-xenon setup, so the inner lamp is just the cornering light.    It's the same with the facelifted car, you'll only ever see the outer lights lit if a 5 series (or 6/7/X5 etc) has xenons, but if it has LED's then all four lights (mainly the top half) will be lit even on dipped beam.  It's one reason why they're so much brighter on both dipped and main beam.

I really do know too much about headlights.....  
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Nice pics.
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Are you getting confused with the V60 Cross Country? The XC70 may be branded as Cross Country over there, they're reverting back to the Cross Country name for the jacked up models with the XC going to the full on SUVs. As the V70 replacement will be the V90 there would have been overlap with who got he XC badge.
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Michael wrote:
Are you getting confused with the V60 Cross Country? The XC70 may be branded as Cross Country over there, they're reverting back to the Cross Country name for the jacked up models with the XC going to the full on SUVs. As the V70 replacement will be the V90 there would have been overlap with who got he XC badge.


Oh, sorry, I edited my post. Yeah I meant the V60 Cross Country. The XC70 has been discontinued here.
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Nice, it's got a certain 'rightness' about it.
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Frank Bullitt wrote:
Nice, it's got a certain 'rightness' about it.


Absolutely. Stemming from a fitness for purpose, and styled to fit that purpose with minimal embellishments, an art lost on most manufacturers these days.
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Having seen it in the flesh, it is rather lovely.  I'm quite impressed that you have been across a stubble field - I've never really thought of the XCs as proper off roaders for some reason.
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It's not a proper off roader but it will give rough terrain a good bash. The stubble field was the least of its worries that day. Check out some of the Youtube videos of them properly off road - the Russians seem to love them.
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Really glad you are enjoying it Michael, I think it really suits you as a car in terms of your lifestyle. It was certainly a sensible move as you got an excellent deal and would have saved little on a second hand one. It may be a model that's soon to be replaced but as a design it has aged well.
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It's a very smart machine and something of a bargain with that deal. Good to know you are able to exploit its all terrain capabilities!
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Frank Bullitt wrote:
Nice, it's got a certain 'rightness' about it.


+1 to that.
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I've parked next to a red 64 plate XC70 this morning.  It's obviously taller than the 535d and just as wide, but looks a fair bit shorter (especially in the wheelbase).  I was going to take a picture, but there was a guy sitting in it!
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That doesn't surprise me, the 5 series is much longer in the bonnet. Next time I'm in Rushden I'll let you know and you can compare the two.
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That doesn't surprise me, the 5 series is much longer in the bonnet. Next time I'm in Rushden I'll let you know and you can compare the two.


You're always welcome.

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Probably not a good idea, when I was at the dealership I felt the need to give every other customer a wide berth especially in the car park.
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Exactly.  I went to the left as he didn't have a passenger, to try and minimise the risk.
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We're not all like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More off-roading

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Were you in High Etherley this morning with bikes on the roof?
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Not me, car hasn't moved off the drive all day. Unlike my previous steed these are incredibly common around here. They seem to rival Land Rovers in popularity at times.
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It's a distinctive shape in profile which caught my eye.
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I've had this a year, actually had it a year on Sunday. Just over 17k miles, average 28mpg, same tyres. Still can't judge the size of it when reversing. Big on the outside, less so on the inside. Sometimes I love it, sometime I don't.
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It fits the dog brief though which is a huge part of your life - I can't think of a better alternative unless you really did fancy getting a T5 LWB which has a large boot for the dogs (and even then I'm not sure that it 'better'!)
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It's Newfies you've got isn't it? My mate has a couple and there are few estate cars that can take 2, let alone 3. A small, cheap van to cart them about is probably the best option, leaving your car for other duties.
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Yes we have Newfs. For the time being the car is big enough but a van or Discovery is looking likely next year.
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Horsebox.
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Yes we have Newfs. For the time being the car is big enough but a van or Discovery is looking likely next year.


Got my local dealer on the case with a view to getting a Discovery. Volvo has run its course and having got it stuck in mud up to its axles last week stranding me in my own garden I've had enough.
Nice enough car but it's not me.
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That seems to have been coming for a while, judging by your general comments its clear you haven't bonded with the Volvo. New disco or 4?
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Discovery 4. You're on £60k then some for a well specced 5.
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Didn't make 2 years, eh?

Disco 4 looks more manly than the current tarts boudoir. Keep us posted.
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Will the dogs manage to jump into the back? Or need a dog ramp?
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I've got a dog ramp. The dog that gladly jumps in the car uses it if it's there. The youngest has never made any effort to jump in the car preferring to be lifted and won't use the ramp so doesn't make much difference. With a Disco dropped on its lowest setting it's not much higher than the Volvo.
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Didn't make 2 years, eh?

Disco 4 looks more manly than the current tarts boudoir. Keep us posted.


Lots of people seem to be looking to get Disco 4's before the new model launches as it seems "last of it's breed".

I suspect residuals will be healthy as a result.

I profess to liking them a lot, and the Disco 4 to me seems to be a good mix of serious off road capability mixed with RR levels of luxury.

As Martin will know, there are 2 parked regularly outside my office.

I'm curious as to where the new Disco will fit in (Piers, are you there?), as it looks from the pics to slot in as model below the RR Sport rather than being a totally different vehicle as the old one was.

Off topic slightly, but I'm starting to gel with the X5. A fast journey back fro Oxford late last night was fun and enjoyable. The only "compromise" now is the size.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco 4 is a LandRover.
Disco 5 is Cheshire on wheels.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Didn't make 2 years, eh?

Disco 4 looks more manly than the current tarts boudoir. Keep us posted.


Lots of people seem to be looking to get Disco 4's before the new model launches as it seems "last of it's breed".

I suspect residuals will be healthy as a result.

I profess to liking them a lot, and the Disco 4 to me seems to be a good mix of serious off road capability mixed with RR levels of luxury.

As Martin will know, there are 2 parked regularly outside my office.

I'm curious as to where the new Disco will fit in (Piers, are you there?), as it looks from the pics to slot in as model below the RR Sport rather than being a totally different vehicle as the old one was.

Off topic slightly, but I'm starting to gel with the X5. A fast journey back fro Oxford late last night was fun and enjoyable. The only "compromise" now is the size.


I think I predicted that as soon as the 5 was shown.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, Disco 5 isn't in the same line upbas RR Sport. Discovery and Range Rover being two, supposedly, distinct model lines. I think the RR equivalent is to be the Velar?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Velar is based on an F Pace whereas the Discovery 5 is on the Range Rover /Sport architecture.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
The Velar is based on an F Pace whereas the Discovery 5 is on the Range Rover /Sport architecture.


Blimey, how many platforms?


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