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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:19 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

This being me, it isn't the end of it.  Huge coolant eruptions this morning.  I don't have time to deal with it at the moment apart from phoning the garage to let him know so he can speak to Powers because I am in Mallorca as from tomorrow.

After the eruptions, I bled it and got all the levels correct and went for a drive for about 40 miles.  Came back and let it cool down.The expansion tank was full, the radiator wasn't and it took half a litre to get the levels correct again.  Something is going on - there are no visible leaks and the cooling system is pressurising so it has to be engine related.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we LS7 it yet?
How about now?
Now?
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be a sticking thermostat according to Powers.  I am not convinced, but if he wants to try that before digging deeper into the engine then fine by me.

The engine has a three year warranty BTW.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief. Did you break a mirror at some point in the past years?
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I know of.

My block testing fluid arrived today and confirms combustion gases in the coolant.  There is also black sooty water spitting out of the exhaust.

The fact that it keeps doing it points to a porous block - this is a well known weakness of the 4.6 at hight milages which was ironed out with the later Thor blocks.  I have spoken to the garage and told them transport needs to be arranged as I don't want to drive it when it is doing that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief, words fail me....hopefully you will get it sorted out this time
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about testing your patience! I hope you can enjoy the LandRover whilst someone else does all the hard work on the TVR.

How do you get a porous block? Is it more a case of lots of tiny cracks with the only option being a new block.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's down to poor quality castings and heat. What happens is the block lets water seep between the water jacket and the back of the liner into the cylinder. It doesn't compromise the head gasket in the traditional sense. Top hat liners solve the problem because they seal the area surrounding the water jacket against the head gasket and have the added advantage of not being able to move as the head holds them in place.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porosity in castings is fairly common, they used to have a sealer coat impregnated into the surface from the factory to help them, sometimes time and heat breaks it down.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this have to be fixed at your expense or at cost to the place that rebuilt the engine?
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a three year warranty on a Power rebuild.  My take on it is that if they thought the block and liners suitable then they should include that in the warranty.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope so and unless there's anything hidden in some small print you would kind of expect that. I hope it's done without argument but there's always the Small Claims Court as a last resort - but I really hope you don't get to that point!
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car is being collected tomorrow by my specialist and the engine is being sent to TVR Power.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have heard nothing.

Steve sent a Speed6 in seven weeks ago and is yet to hear back. That's another summer fucked then.   I hate to admit it, but I think I have had enough.

Get it rebuilt again, sell it and Lindsey can have her horsey sandpit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd missed this most recent failure, your patience has been phenomenal! Perhaps you should look at getting something reliable, like a Lotus...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't blame you, I'd have had an Elvis De Tomaso moment a long time ago.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I don't blame you, I'd have had an Elvis De Tomaso moment a long time ago.


I think it would be more like this FB


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really sorry to hear its not sorted and means you've had enough, it's a real shame.

Not hearing anything in 7 weeks is just crap, no matter how busy they are.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I am depressed about the timescale more than anything else. I won't make my mind up until I get it back.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's truly sorted properly whenever you do eventually get it back and there's a realistic prospect of running it for a few years without another nasty surprise, I hope it makes you reconsider getting rid.  I suspect you'll miss it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I am depressed about the timescale more than anything else. I won't make my mind up until I get it back.


It'll probably make all the right noises to change your mind. Service wise not hearing from them for so long isn't brilliant, especially as they're fixing their mistakes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I am depressed about the timescale more than anything else. I won't make my mind up until I get it back.


To get rid of it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You love that car but it's the workmanship that's let you down. A menage is never going to be a worthy replacement.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
I think I am depressed about the timescale more than anything else. I won't make my mind up until I get it back.


To get rid of it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You love that car but it's the workmanship that's let you down. A menage is never going to be a worthy replacement.


Depends on what sort of menage we're talking about...

Was it an autocorrected Megane?  Either way, I'm going to think of Meganes as 'Menages' - very French...
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I was thinking horse training arena rather than anything else you filthy minded ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The correct word is actually manège.

You are all right, of course. I am just feeling pretty blue about it.  I have managed to get my garage floor and walls painted with the car not being here.
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I can't spell.
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Manège? Bloody foreign words, coming over here with grave accents, taking our old fashioned vowels' jobs and claiming on our héalth service.....

Brexit I say. Or is it Brèxïť?
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Or is it Brèxïť?


I'm sure we went camping there when I was a kid.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuntman wrote:
If it's truly sorted properly whenever you do eventually get it back and there's a realistic prospect of running it for a few years without another nasty surprise, I hope it makes you reconsider getting rid.  I suspect you'll miss it.


This. Unless you really need to sell I think you would come to regret it massively. I really hope it's sorted and you get to use it into the autumn for some really great drives.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
I think I am depressed about the timescale more than anything else. I won't make my mind up until I get it back.


To get rid of it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You love that car but it's the workmanship that's let you down. A menage is never going to be a worthy replacement.


This. Supposed experts who have done a crap job and let you down.

See how you feel when you get it back.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a porous block. The heads tested fine and the head gasket was also fine. It is getting the block machined for top hat liners. Unfortunately, the small print states they are only responsible for parts they installed. They didn't install the liners so I have to stump up some cash.

I am highly irritated by this, but there isn't anything I can do. I have been told that I will get a substantial discount though.

No idea on timescale but seeing as it is in bits already, it shouldn't be too long.  I am feeling more positive but the money thing is annoying me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may not have installed the liners but giving them to you would be a decent goodwill gesture given the trouble their rebuilt engine has bought you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you keep SORN'ing it each time that work needs doing; the savings will at least offset some of the cost of the work
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It only costs £225 to tax, but the reminder came through so it is SORN from 1st July.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TreVoR wrote:
Unfortunately, the small print states they are only responsible for parts they installed. They didn't install the liners so I have to stump up some cash.

I am highly irritated by this, but there isn't anything I can do. I have been told that I will get a substantial discount though.


I'm not surprised you are annoyed by the cost. All that talk of them "guaranteeing the engine" was utter crap. All they are doing is guaranteeing the work they did, which is hardly out of the ordinary customer service, is it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite.

One small upside is that I have been able to get my garage cleaned and painted.

The car has a garage endorsement on the policy which means it isn't insured between the hours of 10pm and 6am if it at home and not garaged - this isn't long enough to paint the floor as the paint takes 48 hours to fully cure.

There is one small patch which is over an oil spill which won't cure.  I did wash and seal the floor but it hasn't stuck.  I think I will have to wash it a few times and try it again.  I'm happy with the result though - much brighter.

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Looks good.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Untitled by Mark Lee, on Flickr


Your most reliable vehicle!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, it only does about 250 miles a year!
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Big improvement well done.

I do get where you are on the Tiv.

When you only use the car sparingly, on those high days and holidays you want it to work and you haven't had that confidence in the car recently which will savagely dent your love for it.

I had it for a while in the 911 where every knock or noise you hear convinces you the next financial ruin is only round the corner.

Still better the devil you know though I would be temped into a Tuscan
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Floor looks good. Painted garage floors are a real "man thing".
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Fllor flloks good. Painted garage floors are a real "man thing".
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be fair, it only does about 250 miles a year!


You've left yourself wide open there....

Floor looks good, I'd like to do something similar in mine, but not sure I will find the time
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Big improvement well done.

I do get where you are on the Tiv.

When you only use the car sparingly, on those high days and holidays you want it to work and you haven't had that confidence in the car recently which will savagely dent your love for it.

I had it for a while in the 911 where every knock or noise you hear convinces you the next financial ruin is only round the corner.

Still better the devil you know though I would be temped into a Tuscan


Realistically, I will keep it.

I love Tuscans, but:

    The engine is always a worry.
    Due to the pernickety nature of the speed six, running costs are in a different league to the Rover V8 cars.
    All components are bespoke to TVR - running costs, once again.
    They are hard riding.
    Twitchy steering.
    Have to rev it and work the gearbox to get the best out of it.


The Chimaera,

    Still have some TVR foibles but much easier and cheaper to work on.
    Predictable ride and handling even in the wet.
    Comfortable for long distances.
    V8 torque and noise.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be fair, it only does about 250 miles a year!


What about the quad?  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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 I'm happy with the result though - much brighter
IMG_0368 by Mark Lee, on Flickr

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Tempting to point out that it's brighter in the second photo because the lights are on...

Seriously through, a painted garage floor (and blockwork) does look very smart.
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New door too.
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The door was replaced shortly after we moved in a couple of years ago.  The old one was a up and over sectional that robbed ceiling height and continually fell off its runners.

This is an insulated Seceuroglide roller shutter with electric motor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be fair, it only does about 250 miles a year!


What about the quad?  


More than the TVR! 😉
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TreVoR wrote:
The door was replaced shortly after we moved in a couple of years ago.  The old one was a up and over sectional that robbed ceiling height and continually fell off its runners.

This is an insulated Seceuroglide roller shutter with electric motor.


I meant the door at the back actually but nice to hear of your other improvements


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