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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Chip Butty wrote:
It would be interesting to compare a base spec XJ diesel to base spec Panamera and 7 series diesels


You could add an A8 to that mix because despite Audis much vaunted lightweight aluminium construction I don't remember the quoted weight being any lighter than the opposition.
I accept they're 4wd but the weight penalty claimed for that in other models is only something like 40kg so deducting that from 2 tonnes would make little difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chip Butty wrote:
Forgot to come back to this...

Why is an F-type so chunky ?

1) Based on an aluminium platform that dates back to the early 2000s


So I was kind of right!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I didn't realise that the F-Type wasn't new from the ground up.  You live and learn.


That surprises me too, I thought it was an all new platform that was going to be used on the XE etc.

So, being lighter is another benefit of mid engined cars, also interesting!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought everyone knew that - it's not like it's been a secret.

XE is the first Jaguar to come off the brand new platform (D7a) which is a variant of the platform that Land rover use for RR and RRS (D7u)

Replacement XF is the second and then CX-17 will be the third and replacement XJ the fourth

So - if XE weighs more than a small moon, everyone is more than entitled to question JLR's prowess with aluminium.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renault Twingo 1.0TCE Dynamique.

Quoted 865Kg.
Actual 995Kg.

Excess 130Kg, or more than 15%.

Seems that you don't have to be German, a porky 4x4 or a Jag to be way out.

It also quotes a 0-30 time of 5.4 seconds.  Is that just me or does that seem borderline dangerously slow?  Seems to me that joining a busy roundabout would acquire something of the lottery about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Twelfth Monkey:505822"


It also quotes a 0-30 time of 5.4 seconds.  Is that just me or does that seem borderline dangerously slow?  Seems to me that joining a busy roundabout would acquire something of the lottery about it.[/quote]

Quicker to stick your feet through the floor and run!

The other problem with the weight of these type of cars is the disproportional impact that the driver and passengers has. Add in 150+kg for couple and child and 20+kg for luggage and your 1 litre engine is having to power nearly 1200kg about.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't Autocar do their acceleration figures 2 up anyway?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco Sport HSE Luxury

Quoted 1,865kg.
Actual 2,081Kg.

Excess 218 kg, 11.7%.

I don't think I'd have raised an eyebrow at the actual figure if the claimed weight wasn't such a lie.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Audi R8 V10 Plus.

Claimed: 1,555KGs.
As tested 1,730 KGs.

Excess 175 KGs or 11.25%.

Fucking quick (1.4s to 30, 3.1 to 60 and 6.7 to 100, the corresponding 911 Turbo S clocking 1.2, 3.0 and 7.1 respectively). but maybe the Plus refers to sheer pork.

Also sounds like they've thrown away a lot of what made the old model great.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read a bit of the ev-oh Pagani bit yesterday, and it suggests that the LaFerrari has been weighed by owners at 1500-1600kgs, although the dry weight quoted is in the 1200s.  I wonder if that's why Autocar hasn't had one - it would have gone on the weighbridge like the Porsche and McLaren did.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Audi R8 V10 Plus.

Claimed: 1,555KGs.
As tested 1,730 KGs.

Excess 175 KGs or 11.25%.

Fucking quick (1.4s to 30, 3.1 to 60 and 6.7 to 100, the corresponding 911 Turbo S clocking 1.2, 3.0 and 7.1 respectively). but maybe the Plus refers to sheer pork.

Also sounds like they've thrown away a lot of what made the old model great.


I've read recently that it's even quicker, sub 6 to 100  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I read a bit of the ev-oh Pagani bit yesterday, and it suggests that the LaFerrari has been weighed by owners at 1500-1600kgs, although the dry weight quoted is in the 1200s.  I wonder if that's why Autocar hasn't had one - it would have gone on the weighbridge like the Porsche and McLaren did.


It's a shame Autocar never got a 4C after Alfa made a big hoohaa over the weight. The Spider was somewhat heavier than stated though...... Either that or Alfa spec very heavy oil, coolant and washer fluid  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disappointingly, the Vauxhall Astra ST 1.6 CDTi 160 BiTurbo SRI NAV (need a lie down after typing that string of bollo) is underweight.  

Claimed 1,435kg.
Actual 1,390Kg.

Only 96.86% of claimed weight.  We'll have realistic fuel consumption figures next...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Fast Show style, Better than that, the Suzuki Baleno1.0T BoosterJet SZ5 (cracking name...):

Claimed: 950kg.
As tested: 920kg.

Just 96.84% on claimed weight.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small beer in percentage terms, but this week's Passat GTE is 30kgs below the claimed 1,722.  This is becoming uncomfortably frequent!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the cars in EVO's hot hatch test were slightly overweight (although they only really drew attention to the Focus RS).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite like the Passat GTE and the Golf GTE even though the regular models don't appeal - when we were in France this summer both models appeared to be very popular with the Dutch for some reason.

I got a quote on a lease Golf GTE and it was very good value as he BIK is naff-all.
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The Dutch are very eco.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, my faith in humanity is restored, and excess is back in fashion...

Aston DB11.

Claimed 1,800kg.
As tested 1,910kg.

Doesn't stop it being pretty (but not wildly) quick, but it could have been quicker still.
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Not so much a liar, but how can that new Lexus coupe thingy weigh in at two tons?
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As the concept debuted as far back as 2012 is it the weight of expectation?
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Not so much a liar, but how can that new Lexus coupe thingy weigh in at two tons?


I wondered that but then maybe its a lot bigger than it actually looks?
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Not so much a liar, but how can that new Lexus coupe thingy weigh in at two tons?


Boot's full of chamois leathers.
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Pity Autocar didn't get the latest Grand Scenic to the weighbridge.  I'd be mightily impressed if id matched the claimed 1,601kg.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Not so much a liar, but how can that new Lexus coupe thingy weigh in at two tons?


Boot's full of chamois leathers.

I've not been near it to give it a wash........ can't be mine
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Next time you're up this way Chris will you give me a shout.
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