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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I'd be looking at used and BMW restrict the deposit to £11k, charge >10% APR and don't like mileage around 20k.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top Celica  was £21145 in 2005 -which is @ £27k  today -so new  does seem  overpriced
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out ebay item 280834915610.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Most manufacturers offer competitive finance rates now on new cars, low APR PCP's or 0% HP so you shouldn't get "stung". I would say financing a new car as opposed to just blowing a wad in one go is a far better proposition financially, even if savings rates are pretty poor, why tie up £15,000 - £20,000 in a depreciating asset when a monthly payment can pay for it and leave your savings intact?


Or...

Use your savings as it's getting rubbish interest rates anyway, and if you need that £15-20K at some point then either borrow it at a rate on the high street that is probably better than any dealer can offer, or take it out of the mortgage.  No point in having the monthly payment if you don't need it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see from Autocar that if you don't want your new 911 to have 'Porsche 911 Carrera' on the back, they will omit the last word for you.  And charge the insultingly precise sum of £77 to do it.

Piss-take options seem to be the name of the game these days, but I'd never seen a pisstake delete option...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd expect them to hand over the badge on a wooden plaque for that price.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I see from Autocar that if you don't want your new 911 to have 'Porsche 911 Carrera' on the back, they will omit the last word for you.  And charge the insultingly precise sum of £77 to do it.

Piss-take options seem to be the name of the game these days, but I'd never seen a pisstake delete option...


Porsche have form though, they are always taking stuff out of their cars and charging you more...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'd expect them to hand over the badge on a wooden plaque for that price.


Or a suitably bling key-fob to toss casually onto the pub table?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'd expect them to hand over the badge on a wooden plaque for that price.


Or a suitably bling key-fob to toss casually onto the pub table?


I was amazed to find the keyring you get with an X5 is a near badged sized 'X5' with the X making for a particularly pocket unfriendly shape.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck knows what the one for the X6 looks like.
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According to EVO Bentley want £9k,160 for the Mulliner driving pack on the new GTC V8. That's for quilted leather, a machined gearknob and something else I can't remember but none of which, as far as I can tell, has any positive effect on the performance or enhances the driving experience (unless you like chafed hands from using the new gearknob).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Michael wrote:
You'd expect them to hand over the badge on a wooden plaque for that price.


Or a suitably bling key-fob to toss casually onto the pub table?


I remember a mate of mine (man with a superiority complex), rise from the table in the pub, chuck the keys from his new Audi company car down and proclaim loudly to all and sundry "Audi - read it and weep!", before sweeping out to visit the gents.

Later on, I watched him in my rear view mirror desperately trying to unlock his car and silence the alarm with the fob as I drove off with it's battery in my pocket.
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If that's a true story, I (and I'm sure I won't be the only one) salute you!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
If that's a true story, I (and I'm sure I won't be the only one) salute you!


It's a true story and to be fair he's mellowed a great deal now - though I did have cause to remind him when he bought his latest Jaguar XF and was in danger of going on about it a bit too much.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant!  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'Porsche 911' badge on the new model looks crap in my mind. So much better with just Carrera or Turbo etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 'Porsche 911' badge on the new model looks crap in my mind. So much better with just Carrera or Turbo etc.


That's ok, Porsche'll leave it off if you like........for £75!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-ESC...hash=item4ab5848804#ht_2199wt_922
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simonp wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-ESC...hash=item4ab5848804#ht_2199wt_922


That car would be soooooo much better if it looked ratty. Can you imagine the feeling of piloting sonething tasty and being burned off at TLGP by a 1960's-70's Escort.
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They've dropped the price, it was £50K when I posted it!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: How much!! (Part XXXVII) Reply with quote

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Toyota GT 86 offers 197bhp and (more tellingly) 151 torks for almost £30k?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/260225/



I read most of the evo pieces on it yesterday, and if they are to be believed, it might not be the second coming.  Lack of low-speed involvement and (as per OP) torque being problems.  Suggestion is that magazine access has been limited to short bursts, and that these problems become apparent with time.
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It was much the same in CAR as they have tested the Subaru version - fine idea in principle but unless you own a track rather flawed in the real world.
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I thought CAR's verdict was slightly more favourable ( or less unfavourable) than EVO.

When I read the EVO one I thought they had approached the car expecting it to be a drift king and everything they said was from that standpoint so perhaps they need to reassess exactly what they expect from it - although 151lb/ft of torque at 6k revs is certainly something that would put me off.

One other thing about the performance stats.
I know 0-60 is pretty irrelevent but the quoted time in CAR is 7.5 seconds for the BRZ and 6.5 for the Clio 197.
The BRZ has the standing start advantage of rear wheel drive - see the BTCC for an example of how that helps off the line - and presumably weighs a similar amount to the Clio so why is it so much slower?

On the subject of How Much?!?!?! I looked at the photos of the Cayman and assumed it was a poverty spec one yet the guide tells us it had £9k of extras. Does that include an invisibility cloak for them  


IF it was my money I'd go for a used 370Z out of the various magazine choices.
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http://pistonheads.com/sales/3986515.htm
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I meant to post up the BMW Gran Coupe price from the latest issue of CAR mag - £81k (from memory) and they're comparing it with a hair shirt spec Merc CLS for under £60k  
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I had to laugh when I saw the 'as tested' price of the BMW 318d Sport GT Autocar tested last week.

£41k with a few options.

Forty One Thousand pounds for a 2 litre diesel badged 318d..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Get stuffed BMW. £41 grand hahahahahahahaha
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What is the basic price?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is the basic price?


£31k for the manual, so you'd have to be really plundering the options list to get it to £41k!

I specced up a 335d M Sport and it was getting perilously close to £50k, but with a not unreasonable deposit was under £600 a month and that was before any discount.  Broadspeed are offering £7k off, so it would be just over £40k and I'd ticked a lot of boxes!
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it's happened again....I know the testers did note the exorbitant cost of the options but £82 grand for Merc GL with a 3litre TD engine, basic list of £59k is steep enough and some of the options are extravagances like the B&O audio and rear seat entertainment package at £4335 and £2035 resp, but £750 for ventilated comfort seats....I have them on my Mondeo FFS. List prices with some options are getting out of control. I realise that options are personal taste but if you are paying the best part of 60 grand for a basic car you should surely be getting a bit more for your pound.
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It also makes a joke of any used value retention figures they come up with.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£47k!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revi...-drives/byd-e6-first-drive-review
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0-60 in 15 seconds?  Wow.
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Brings back memories of the £38,999 Mitsubishi MiEV
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One to make twelfths value - meter go in to overdrive; just got an email from Honda having shown interest in the Civic Tourer, the price of a 1.6 diesel estate with leather and satellite navigation? £28,460, and the 4.9% APR deal they offer has a total payable of nearly £31,000

how astonishingly expensive.
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Civic Tourer, the price of a 1.6 diesel estate with leather and satellite navigation? £28,460, and the 4.9% APR deal they offer has a total payable of nearly £31,000

how astonishingly expensive.


Can't be right, surely?  Maybe £18,460 instead of £28,460 (a typo ?)
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You're not going to get a Civic Tourer for under £20k in 2014. £28k for one with leather is madness  - both from a pricing point of view and speccing a Civic with leather point of view.

When manufacturers quote these prices what they are really saying is "look, all we're interested is knocking out as many of these shopping trollies as cheaply and quickly as possible and here you come wanting to complicate things - well, you can have your leather but you will have to pay through the nose for it."
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The cheapest Civic diesel hatch is over £20k, so it's not a huge stretch to a £28k estate, but I'm not saying that's good value!

One of my team chose a brand new Civic 2.2 EX GT (so leather, sat nav, panoramic roof etc) back in 2009 and I remember it was a fraction over £20,000.
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Martin wrote:
The cheapest Civic diesel hatch is over £20k, so it's not a huge stretch to a £28k estate, but I'm not saying that's good value!

One of my team chose a brand new Civic 2.2 EX GT (so leather, sat nav, panoramic roof etc) back in 2009 and I remember it was a fraction over £20,000.


When I had my Civic it was an EX spec 2006 1.8 vtec with nav etc and the P11d value was a shade over 16k. Asking almost 10 grand more seems utterly ridiculous even if you allow for inflation.
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Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote:
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Civic Tourer, the price of a 1.6 diesel estate with leather and satellite navigation? £28,460, and the 4.9% APR deal they offer has a total payable of nearly £31,000

how astonishingly expensive.


Can't be right, surely?  Maybe £18,460 instead of £28,460 (a typo ?)


Seeing as how a 1.4S with not much of anything kicks off the range at £16,995 then I doubt it!
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From the Autocar first drive of the 420d tin-top convertible -
But that still sees the model start at £36,675 - almost £2500 more than the equivalent Audi A5 cabriolet 2.0 TDI SE. The example tested also featured a number of options - BMW’s Professional media system, 18-inch wheels, adaptive suspension - hiking its final total to £43,850.

Even £36k for the SE 2.0 diesel sounds a lot. But as tested, £43k (and not for a stupid spec either), is just comical. £43k. Sheesh.
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Yep.  The car world has gone mad.
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Yep.  The car world has gone mad.


It certainly has. I just got an email from Listers who are listing a Golf R (think it is a demo) for £42K!
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Citroen DS3 Cabrio racing, sporting cloth roof and around 200 powers and torks from a turbo 1.6...

£29,305.

No.  Just no.
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Citroen DS3 Cabrio racing, sporting cloth roof and around 200 powers and torks from a turbo 1.6...

£29,305.

No.  Just no.


And even more 'No' here. I mean, I do like them, but not that much (and not cabrios either).
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Yep.  The car world has gone mad.


It certainly has. I just got an email from Listers who are listing a Golf R (think it is a demo) for £42K!


£42k, for a Golf. Words fail me. I'd like to think (obviously naively) that at £30k it's pretty well FG'd already. But obviously not.
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VW dealers have always used comedy pricing to full effect on the Golf R!  Leather isn't standard (£1700-2700) but I'm not sure I'd bother on a VW, so add the adaptive chassis, Sat Nav and a couple of other things which even on a 5 door with DSG (I'd go manual) keeps it around £32-33k.  I'm not sure it's possible to get to £42k.
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Martin wrote:
 I'm not sure it's possible to get to £42k.


I just tried it by ticking every single option (including a rubbish bag for £19.50 and extended warranty etc) and managed to get it up to £43 626. Plus delivery of course  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sirs, I give you the £42K Golf...........

http://listers.co.uk/Used/Cars/Volkswagen/Golf/GTI!GTD!R_MK7_2.0_TSI_R_(300_PS)_DSG/153081
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's got the expensive leather, but looks like they're trying to sell it for a premium. I do like the new R, but not at that price.   They've probably listed it at that price to stop people asking for a discount on a brand new one!

The blue one is nice, but still over £5,000 too much.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting all the options on I managed to get a Golf 1.6 diesel estate up to 38k!


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