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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

The blue one in coventry looks absolutely  fantastic - externally.

Not a fan of the two tone seats or piano black centre console though!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody read CAR magazine's test of '£30k' coupes?
M235i specced from £34k up to £42 but that pales into insignificance compared to the basic Cayman increased from £36k to £52k  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the impression that German list prices are intended to get punters in the door.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anybody read CAR magazine's test of '£30k' coupes?
M235i specced from £34k up to £42 but that pales into insignificance compared to the basic Cayman increased from £36k to £52k  


I scanned it but have not read it yet. I was more in shock at the interior of the Cayman. That red dash and wheel was pretty horrific. And several thousand £ I should imagine.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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......but that pales into insignificance compared to the basic Cayman increased from £36k to £52k  


eek indeed, but that's about the same as the extras on our Boxster.

The red leather is nice quality, but it's way too much for me.
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Martin wrote:
Tim wrote:
......but that pales into insignificance compared to the basic Cayman increased from £36k to £52k  


eek indeed, but that's about the same as the extras on our Boxster.

The red leather is nice quality, but it's way too much for me.


For that money wouldn't you be much better off higher up the Boxster range, even if you didn't want the sportiest version.
The red leather would be ok with a black steering wheel and dash.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed this more because it was touted as a bargain by virtue of discount.

S3 cabriolet from an online broker at £37,995, which seems pretty steep for what is still a four-pot Golf derivative (and it's an S, not even an RS, so you could (un)comfortably spend more), which seems pretty fucking steep to me.  But that's a discount off standard list price to the tune of £4,610.  It should be nearer £43k than £42k.  That's nuts.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I noticed this more because it was touted as a bargain by virtue of discount.

S3 cabriolet from an online broker at £37,995, which seems pretty steep for what is still a four-pot Golf derivative (and it's an S, not even an RS, so you could (un)comfortably spend more), which seems pretty fucking steep to me.  But that's a discount off standard list price to the tune of £4,610.  It should be nearer £43k than £42k.  That's nuts.


Nuts indeed and that's not exactly raiding the extras list either. However try speccing up a 420D or a new Merc C220Cdi and you will realise the whole world has gone mad.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Audi website says it's £39K, not £43K.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still struggling to see that as anything other than daft.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still struggling to see that as anything other than daft.


+1

There are many, many better ways to spend £40k.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I'm still struggling to see that as anything other than daft.


Isn't the Merc A45 AMG nearly £45k? Which seemed utterly stupid for a car of that size and with 4 cylinders. But, having got away with it, I'm sure that Audi have decided to just follow suit.

It is still a totally insane price.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a look at the new Passat yesterday. Nice enough I suppose but blaaaaaaaaand.
The sticker price made me laugh... €52k for a 2.0 litre diesel estate.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had a look at the new Passat yesterday. Nice enough I suppose but blaaaaaaaaand.
The sticker price made me laugh... €52k for a 2.0 litre diesel estate.


That seems a touch on the pricey side - was this a regular cooking model?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Sacamano wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:
I had a look at the new Passat yesterday. Nice enough I suppose but blaaaaaaaaand.
The sticker price made me laugh... €52k for a 2.0 litre diesel estate.


That seems a touch on the pricey side - was this a regular cooking model?


A very boggo looking car. There was a lot of FG fitted but most of it was invisible. It would seem that drivers now require a plethora of "assistants" to stop us wandering out of lane, driving too close to the car in front or taking a little nap at the wheel.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiat 695 Biposto -

£33k.

Optional dog-ring gearbox (described as its party piece) - £8,500.

Apparently £50k is within reach...

I wonder what the biggest percentage increase exists between the top and bottom of a single model of car.

I also wonder what the greatest percentage of a car's list price it is possible to spend on a single option.  

Can't help but feel that this might win on both counts.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DetmoldDick wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:
I had a look at the new Passat yesterday. Nice enough I suppose but blaaaaaaaaand.
The sticker price made me laugh... €52k for a 2.0 litre diesel estate.


That seems a touch on the pricey side - was this a regular cooking model?


A very boggo looking car. There was a lot of FG fitted but most of it was invisible. It would seem that drivers now require a plethora of "assistants" to stop us wandering out of lane, driving too close to the car in front or taking a little nap at the wheel.


On VW website a Passat Diesel with top trim and engine with all extras maxes out at 47k.
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tali wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:
I had a look at the new Passat yesterday. Nice enough I suppose but blaaaaaaaaand.
The sticker price made me laugh... €52k for a 2.0 litre diesel estate.


That seems a touch on the pricey side - was this a regular cooking model?


A very boggo looking car. There was a lot of FG fitted but most of it was invisible. It would seem that drivers now require a plethora of "assistants" to stop us wandering out of lane, driving too close to the car in front or taking a little nap at the wheel.


On VW website a Passat Diesel with top trim and engine with all extras maxes out at 47k.


I take it that is in Sterling, which works out to €60k.

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Ah  euro.Your one is quite reasonable then!
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VW want just over £5,000 extra for the bi-turbo over the next engine down, a 190hp diesel.  That makes the list price for the top spec model £37,000, which is a lot!  You can add £12,000 worth of options, but a big chunk of that is all the driver assistance stuff, which most of us wouldn't bother with.  

The current discount is about 18%, which is circa £6,300 off the top of the range engine/spec.  I quickly specced up an estate and got to a list price of £43,000, discounted price £36,000.  It still feels like a lot I must admit....
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VW want just over £5,000 extra for the bi-turbo over the next engine down, a 190hp diesel.  That makes the list price for the top spec model £37,000, which is a lot!  You can add £12,000 worth of options, but a big chunk of that is all the driver assistance stuff, which most of us wouldn't bother with.  

The current discount is about 18%, which is circa £6,300 off the top of the range engine/spec.  I quickly specced up an estate and got to a list price of £43,000, discounted price £36,000.  It still feels like a lot I must admit....


Discounted, you can get a new C Class C250 diesel with the full AMG pack which includes SatNav, sunroof and a whole load of other things for about £33K. I think VW are being a bit optimistic!
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£36,600 for an estate in a similar spec as the Passat I configured, so fractionally more, but I agree with your point!
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DTD have the Premium Plus estate at about £34K including the kitchen sink. The only worthwhile extras I could see were the LED headlight upgrade and the 19" wheels so I presume at £36K you are carrying around a whole load of extras you only use about once a year, if ever.
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No, metallic paint, leather because I don't want vinyl seats, air suspension for the proper mini S Class experience, full LED lights and 19" wheels because they look good. £36,600 on DTD.
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But this is a fucking Passat!
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F Type R AWD. 92k.


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Autocar's long-term 220d Active Tourer M-Sport.  Gay name apart, and acknowledging it's at the upper end, trim-wise, £29,005 OTR, and including options (a good few of which should be included, I think), gives a price of £35,090.  Even discounting the options, £30k for a Golf-sized 2 litre TDI?  

Wonder what it's worth after three years?  £10k?
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Autocar's long-term 220d Active Tourer M-Sport.  Gay name apart, and acknowledging it's at the upper end, trim-wise, £29,005 OTR, and including options (a good few of which should be included, I think), gives a price of £35,090.  Even discounting the options, £30k for a Golf-sized 2 litre TDI?  

Wonder what it's worth after three years?  £10k?


If only! Would be an amazing family wagon bargain if that were the case.
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Autocar's long-term 220d Active Tourer M-Sport.  Gay name apart, and acknowledging it's at the upper end, trim-wise, £29,005 OTR, and including options (a good few of which should be included, I think), gives a price of £35,090.  Even discounting the options, £30k for a Golf-sized 2 litre TDI?  

Wonder what it's worth after three years?  £10k?


That is insane. Even given the inflation of car prices in the past few years and my mental inability to accept today's prices, family cars like the 2AT have no place at that price point.
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Giant wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Autocar's long-term 220d Active Tourer M-Sport.  Gay name apart, and acknowledging it's at the upper end, trim-wise, £29,005 OTR, and including options (a good few of which should be included, I think), gives a price of £35,090.  Even discounting the options, £30k for a Golf-sized 2 litre TDI?  

Wonder what it's worth after three years?  £10k?


That is insane. Even given the inflation of car prices in the past few years and my mental inability to accept today's prices, family cars like the 2AT have no place at that price point.


It is a crazy price, but no surprise when similar sized performance cars are £45k+.   There aren't huge discounts available on these at the moment, so it would be cheaper to buy a same spec 320d M Sport Touring and the nett price is only £2k less than a 330d!
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This week's Autocar: I thought the X1 Xdrive20D (another beautiful name, eh?) was steep for a small soft roader at a few quid under £34k, only to see that Ford wants fewer than £100 less for a Kuga with similar power.  I know there'll be a hefty discount on the latter, but these are just daft prices to my mind.  The Cashcow with a 1.6 diesel almost looks like good value in comparison (in what is probably top trim spec), but then I pinch myself and think '£29k?'
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
This week's Autocar: I thought the X1 Xdrive20D (another beautiful name, eh?) was steep for a small soft roader at a few quid under £34k, only to see that Ford wants fewer than £100 less for a Kuga with similar power.  I know there'll be a hefty discount on the latter, but these are just daft prices to my mind.  The Cashcow with a 1.6 diesel almost looks like good value in comparison (in what is probably top trim spec), but then I pinch myself and think '£29k?'


I know!  The thought of spending any money on a Cashcow makes me cringe, but £29k?!  
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When did this happen?!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-...ton-fpa-201510167897114?logcode=p
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Twelfth Monkey wrote:
This week's Autocar: I thought the X1 Xdrive20D (another beautiful name, eh?) was steep for a small soft roader at a few quid under £34k, only to see that Ford wants fewer than £100 less for a Kuga with similar power.  I know there'll be a hefty discount on the latter, but these are just daft prices to my mind.  The Cashcow with a 1.6 diesel almost looks like good value in comparison (in what is probably top trim spec), but then I pinch myself and think '£29k?'


List prices are irrelevant other than for BIK calculations. No-one pays list price.
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There are two people on the forum about to pick up their new cars who (I assume) paid list price.

But most don't, especially the cars listed above, but even with a £3-5k discount, some will still think they're a bit expensive.
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There are two people on the forum about to pick up their new cars who (I assume) paid list price.

But most don't, especially the cars listed above, but even with a £3-5k discount, some will still think they're a bit expensive.


Generally, I can't believe how cheap cars are, both new and secondhand. They seem to get cheaper every year as they pack more and more technology into them. When I think how much my first car cost and how little I got for my money it just confirms my opinion.
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Martin wrote:
There are two people on the forum about to pick up their new cars who (I assume) paid list price.

But most don't, especially the cars listed above, but even with a £3-5k discount, some will still think they're a bit expensive.


Generally, I can't believe how cheap cars are, both new and secondhand. They seem to get cheaper every year as they pack more and more technology into them. When I think how much my first car cost and how little I got for my money it just confirms my opinion.


the stuff you can get get for £100 pcm is outrageous when you think that's some peoples mobile phone bill.
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My kid bro is looking at a Dacia sandero 1.2 16v with 75hp

It's a brand new car that seats 5 adults

It has a 5 year warranty

48 monthly payments of £89
Customer deposit £856
Cash price £6,795
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And it's not actually that bad inside .. Fine for what he needs
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That anyone would pay £100 for a mobile is completely outrageous!  A new car for a similar amount is a bargain, no question.
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Bob Sacamano wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
This week's Autocar: I thought the X1 Xdrive20D (another beautiful name, eh?) was steep for a small soft roader at a few quid under £34k, only to see that Ford wants fewer than £100 less for a Kuga with similar power.  I know there'll be a hefty discount on the latter, but these are just daft prices to my mind.  The Cashcow with a 1.6 diesel almost looks like good value in comparison (in what is probably top trim spec), but then I pinch myself and think '£29k?'


List prices are irrelevant other than for BIK calculations. No-one pays list price.


You'd hope that there aren't many, but some people do.  I'd also contend that them being irrelevant is just not true.  There's a principle exploited in sales called anchoring, whereby an asked price sets expectations and limits the amount needed to be discounted in order to satisfy the punter.  Irrelevant is the last thing it is in this respect.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I also wonder what the greatest percentage of a car's list price it is possible to spend on a single option.

That bright (and not particularly attractive) yellow of a lot of the AMG GT press cars is a 10k option! Evo's test car in their GT S comparison was 146k all told.

Somebody else in this thread commented that nobody pays list - the reality is that on any kind of desirable car, most people pay well over list as even the non-frippery options add several thousand.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...e-generation-six-edition-revealed

£53k????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..and that looks like a T6 with a paint job rather than the oft-promised new Microbus.

Curiously enough, mate at work was at the motorcamping show at the NEC last week-end and was contemplating a VW T6 camper van, with a price tag in the mid-£50k as a starting point, but he was looking at leasing over 2 or 3 years with about £3k deposit/down-payment.

Mid-£50k's just for an MPV that looks like a van is a bit much, I reckon
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The country has gone potty for T6 vans.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe their emissions data are genuine?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well since no one else mentioned it...

The Bentley bentayga ,picnic set for the boot is £25k,a toubillon movement breittling clock is £110k.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fool and his money, eh?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

franki68 wrote:
Well since no one else mentioned it...

The Bentley bentayga ,picnic set for the boot is £25k...


For that money, I'd expect nothing less than a mobile Michelin starred restaurant complete with with chef and staff. And a van to bring them and their equipment to me.  Not a picnic hamper.  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah but just look at how the W12 engine is assembled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQ9E1s1FuQ
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ferrari 488 in the latest issue of CAR has £65k worth of extras and looking at the photos I can't tell what any of them are (and it's not mentioned in the article).

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