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The confirmation comes following reports on Brazilian TV that Renault driver Nelson Piquet was ordered to crash by the Renault team to enable his team-mate Fernando Alonso to take advantage of an early pit stop in order to win a surprising victory. Back to top Richard (ex-MB_insider) Running In My Car: Ford Focus Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 297 Location: Milton Keynes Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Now on Autosport as well. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78195 Back to top BeN The Motor, Singapore branch. My Car: Toyota Corolla View My Motor: . Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 9012 Location: Singapore Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Whoa. _________________ On the other side of the world - Hurlecot de Millou Not the same since 2008 Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Oh, has Nelson been talking perhaps? _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top Chris M Wants a V-10 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Galaxy Ghia TDI Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2220 Location: Somewhere in a Galaxy near Camberley, Surrey Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Humphrey The Pug wrote: Oh, has Nelson been talking perhaps? Almost certainly, and out of spite.  Quite how the FIA are ever going to unravel the truth on this one, I don't know. (but when has the FIA ever really been interested in the truth and/or fair punishment that does not affect the fans?) (err, when has the FIA ever thought of giving priority to the interests of the fans.......) _________________ Papped by Paul; London 2008-09-27 Back to top Twelfth Monkey Supercharged My Car: Sprint Blue RS4 Saloon, Black A2 1.6 Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 6250 Location: The Fortress of Ultimate Darkness; that or the pub. Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: If it is from Piquet, he falls even further in my estimation.  Doing the right thing simply because it is the right thing is noble; doing so as part of a sulk because you were booted out for being crap quite another. _________________ "Accident Blackspot"? These aren't accidents. They're throwing themselves into the road gladly. Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness.' Back to top Big TC Supercharged My Car: Seat Toledo 20V SE, Citroen C1 Diesel Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5760 Location: Stuck in my ways Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: I remember that at the time, it was seen as 'advantageous' that a crashing Renault had caused a safety car at just the right time for the other Renault. If it is so, then Renault (or Flav) were a bit forgetful of this order to Piquet when they sacked him. Who can blame him for spilling the beans, whether his doing so is right or wrong? _________________ It's a '57 Pontiac Star Chief, dontchaknow. Back to top JohnC Petrolhead My Car: 335D Coupe Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 1527 Location: Scotland Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: If F1 carries on like this it will go in to complete meltdown and cease to exist! BMW is out for next year, Toyota is rumoured to be considering leaving, Force India is short of cash: it won't take much more to reach critical mass. If Renault cheated to gain victory then they are due the same punishment as we have seen handed out to others accused of cheating or bringing the sport into disrepute. Personally I didn't think that Piquet was as bad as he was accused of being and to be dismissed part way through a season was not the smartest of moves if Renault have skeletons in the cupboard. I can't see that Piquet would have been any worse than Grosjean (sp) _________________ Every man is the architect of his own future. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: I seem to remember that Piquet Sr was known for spreading malicious rumours and making unsubstantiated attacks on other drivers during his time in F1: I can't help wondering if this is his idea. I just find it difficult to believe a driver would deliberately crash into a concrete wall. Not that Piquet Jr ever had problems crashing accidentally, of course ... Back to top Mike Amos Petrolhead My Car: VW 1600 Variant type a 1972 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1249 Location: Sunny Staffordshire Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Renault only got away with their spygate situation when the McLaren management requested no punishment be metted out. For them to get away with another scandal of the same brevity would just make the situation complete. Whether Piquet was right in shopping them is a whole playing field away from being the same argument.  Funny thing is, he probably got the idea from his team mate. Oh how they are laughing now, NOT! _________________ Politicians.  Would a career specialist by any other name carry such a putrid stench? Back to top Sav Forum F1 Champ 07, 08, 09 My Car: nothing Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: You tell me... Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: It has happened before in a motor race, "Should I create a yellow for Michael" , Mario Andretti on the Radio to his pit at an Indy 500 Race. Lets see the FIA's findings, however the accident did not really look like an accident. I know Piquet is accident prone, but it is was a pretty odd place to crash off. And his comments after the race were a touch puzzling too: Quote: "We're always scraping the walls, and once you've touched the wall a little too much and lose control that's it." On the exit of the corner he crashed on, he did not scrap the wall. Although Piquet is being sour and desperate, I will not rule out the possibility of foul play because it it possible that Renault did order Piquet to crash, for the credibility of F1 I would like to see this cleared up. Nobody can be certain either way. Renault do appear to be the FIA's new bitch now, taking over from Mclaren.   _________________ Back to top Chris M Wants a V-10 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Galaxy Ghia TDI Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2220 Location: Somewhere in a Galaxy near Camberley, Surrey Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Sav wrote: Renault do appear to be the FIA's new bitch now, taking over from Mclaren.  :grin: Yes, because Ron has gone from the pitlane so they are turning their attention to Flav, their second most-hated person in the pitlane.  The FIA's political antics stink. Just hope that once Max has gone, the new incumbent sorts things out _________________ Papped by Paul; London 2008-09-27 Back to top Gooner Turbocharged My Car: Focus Sportback Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 3240 Location: here, there and every bloody where! Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: And you thought the FiA couldn't get any more paranoid! Sounds a bit far fetched and at best sour grapes in Pique's behalf. But you never know? It's been such an interesting season there isn't much that would surprise me right now. _________________ - Insert clever and/or amusing quote here - Back to top ALF Supercharged My Car: A4 Avant 2.0T S-Line Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 5582 Location: Winchester Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: What worries me most about this is the comments from Bernie and others that they should not be investigating Renault in case they pull out. What has that got to do with it? To do what they did to McLaren, then ignore Renault doing exactly the same, then start making comments that they should not even be investigating someone in case they get upset, seems crazy! Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: That's definitely true, but at a time when two manufacturer teams have already pulled out, and another two are looking shaky, you can see why Bernie - who after all has his divorce to pay for - doesn't want to lose any more. Back to top Richard (ex-MB_insider) Running In My Car: Ford Focus Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 297 Location: Milton Keynes Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: ALF wrote: What worries me most about this is the comments from Bernie and others that they should not be investigating Renault in case they pull out. What has that got to do with it? To do what they did to McLaren, then ignore Renault doing exactly the same, then start making comments that they should not even be investigating someone in case they get upset, seems crazy! 1. The only comments Bernie has made on "crashgate" were in this interview in The Times. Nowhere does he say that the FIA should not investigate. 2. The FIA did not ignore the claims that Renault were in possession of another teams intellectual property. There was a hearing of the WMSC and Renault were found guilty of possessing a rival teams intellectual property and received exactly the same punishment as McLaren did at their first hearing - nothing. In the Renault case and McLarens's 1st hearing it was accepted that whilst both teams were in possession of rivals IP there was no evidence that attempts had been made to use it. McLaren were called to a second hearing, fined $100m and thrown out of the championship when evidence later came to light that McLaren had misled the WMSC and attempts had been made to use the Ferrari IP. At the Renault hearing it was made clear that if evidence were to emerge that attempts were made to use other teams IP then a 2nd hearing would be called and Renault would face the same penalties as McLaren. The FIA has not made any official comments but some F1 sites have reported that the investigation is wider than just the Singapore GP. If you assume that Piquet Jr is the source of the information on the Singapore GP then it is worth remembering that Piquet Jr was the Renault test driver back in 2007. If Renault were trying to use McLaren's IP then it is possible that Piquet knew and has now blown the whistle. Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Well they've been charged now: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5538070,00.html _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Presumably Piquet Jnr will be banned from racing for a long time since he's kept this quiet (if actually true) for nearly a year and only spoken out because he's been given the bullet? Back to top Big Blue Turbocharged My Car: Sharan V6 Sport; Honda Fireblade 07; 1989 Mercedes 190 "Colditz" Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 2669 Location: Upper Slovak, nr. Wimbledon SW19 Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: TimR wrote: Presumably Piquet Jnr will be banned from racing for a long time since he's kept this quiet (if actually true) for nearly a year and only spoken out because he's been given the bullet? Piquet has a self-effecting ban curently in force: he's shit   _________________ Call the fire brigade, call the firebrigade...... I said FireBRIGADE...... Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Oh dear it's not looking good for renault: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78446 Even if Briatore and Symonds didn't suggest to Piquet that he crash to help Alonso and it was Piquet's idea and decision, which I doubt, they have admitted that the scenario was discussed. If the above is the case they are just as guilty for keeping it quiet. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top Big Blue Turbocharged My Car: Sharan V6 Sport; Honda Fireblade 07; 1989 Mercedes 190 "Colditz" Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 2669 Location: Upper Slovak, nr. Wimbledon SW19 Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Humphrey The Pug wrote: Oh dear it's not looking good for renault Who do you work for again..... _________________ Call the fire brigade, call the firebrigade...... I said FireBRIGADE...... Back to top Big TC Supercharged My Car: Seat Toledo 20V SE, Citroen C1 Diesel Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5760 Location: Stuck in my ways Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: To re-iterate my comment, made above, it would seem that Briatore has potentially shot himself in the foot if they did ask Piquet to bin it at turn 17. Sacking him less than a year later was not the wisest move.... I can't blame Piquet for spilling the beans, can you? Although his actions and words may well cause some further job losses at Renault, if thet're banned. _________________ It's a '57 Pontiac Star Chief, dontchaknow. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Here's a link to what purports to be a leaked transcript ofPiquet's submission to the FIA http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21798.html Back to top SpecB Turbocharged My Car: Subaru Legacy 3.0R SpecB Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 3107 Location: Home, office, the stables or somewhere in between. Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: If that is true then Briatore is a bigger twat than I initially thought. _________________ Mark Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Quote: At the time of this conversation I was in a very fragile and emotional state of mind. This state of mind was brought about by intense stress due to the fact that Mr. Briatore had refused to inform me of whether or not my driver's contract would be renewed for the next racing year That's the problem with young people today - no backbone. As to the story, I go with Alan Henry: it's hard to work out who's the bigger fool: Briatore for asking, or Piquet for agreeing. Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: SpecB wrote: If that is true then Briatore is a bigger twat than I initially thought. Who was in charge of Benetton when Jos Verstappens car went up in flames due to a filter being removed from the re-fuelling rig to make the fuel flow faster? Who was in charge of Benetton when it was widely thought they had an illegal traction and launch control system that laid dormant in one of the many ECU's to work at the flick of a switch from the pitwall? I would not be surprised in the least if it turns out to be true. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Alonso's saying that he's surprised by the news and didn't know anything about it. Poor wee thing. No matter how bad it might've been for him at McLaren at least they 'kept him in the loop' enough for him to know what 'illegal' goings on there were. It must be terrible for him to realise that he's been kept in the dark at Renault. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: I can't honestly see how this is going to be resolved. In the absence of some (previously hidden) hard evidence, it's basically Piquet's word against Briatore and Symonds. So I don't think Renault will be punished. But from Piquet's point of view, they don't need to be: the accusation will always hang around like a bad smell, and taint Renault's reputation for years, if not decades to come. So job done for Piquet and his dad - revenge, served cold, etc. Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: I can't honestly see how this is going to be resolved. In the absence of some (previously hidden) hard evidence, it's basically Piquet's word against Briatore and Symonds. So I don't think Renault will be punished. But from Piquet's point of view, they don't need to be: the accusation will always hang around like a bad smell, and taint Renault's reputation for years, if not decades to come. So job done for Piquet and his dad - revenge, served cold, etc. The problem you have though is that both Briatore and Symonds state that on the morning of the race a conversation took place between themselves and Piquet exploring the possibility of a deliberate crash, irrespective of who came up with the idea and whether or not Briatore and Symonds agreed to the crash, there was a crash. Telemetry will be able to show if it was dodgy driving, tied into pitlane to car conversations, if there were any. If Briatore and Symonds didn't sanction the crash why did they keep quiet? They are both just as guilty as Piquet, if he acted alone, for not bringing it to the attention of the FIA when it happened. They knew it was a deliberate crash and have effectively said so in the statement that there was a meeting between the three on that morning. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Humphrey The Pug wrote: If Briatore and Symonds didn't sanction the crash why did they keep quiet? Because - as we've seen - many people wouldn't believe Piquet acted alone. As I said before, I think this is all about the Piquets getting revenge for sacking Junior - it doesn't matter if it's proven or not, they just need to throw the mud and let it stick. Incidentally, just read a breaking report that Renaut are going to sue Piquet. Quote: Renault have announced they have begun legal proceedings against Nelson Piquet Jr and his father, Nelson Piquet, over "the making of false allegations and a related attempt to blackmail the team into allowing Piquet Jr to drive for the remainder of the 2009 season". http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...nelson-piquet-renault-race-fixing Back to top BeN The Motor, Singapore branch. My Car: Toyota Corolla View My Motor: . Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 9012 Location: Singapore Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Latest news I got is that Renault are now accusing Piquet of lying. _________________ On the other side of the world - Hurlecot de Millou Not the same since 2008 Back to top Richard (ex-MB_insider) Running In My Car: Ford Focus Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 297 Location: Milton Keynes Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Getting quite nasty now. The Brazilian press are reporting that Flavio has let slip that Piquet Jr is gay. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: That seems a bit harsh, if true, just because Flavio has figuratively shagged him Back to top Gooner Turbocharged My Car: Focus Sportback Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 3240 Location: here, there and every bloody where! Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: He does look a bit gay though. It does seem that Briatori is going way to far in raking up details of Pique's personal life. The whole affair just seems to get nastier with every news story. _________________ - Insert clever and/or amusing quote here - Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Oh dear it's not looking too good for Flav, Symonds has been offered immunity to spill the beans: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6834557.ece _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top Dr. Hfuhruhurr Propellorhead My Car: pending Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 12122 Location: Europa Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:03 am    Post subject: The Times have the radio transcript: Quote: In the early part of the race, there were several exchanges between Symonds and the engineers about Alonso’s race strategy, with Symonds preparing the ground to drop the original three-stop approach and change it to a two-stop strategy that would better fit with any plan for Piquet to crash. “I can tell you now we are not three-stopping,” Symonds is heard to say on the transcript made by the FIA as part of its evidence in the case, a copy of which has been seen by The Times. Later Symonds adds to an unnamed engineer: “Don’t worry about fuel because I’m going to get him [Alonso] out of this traffic earlier than that.” Not long afterwards comes an unusual intervention from Piquet, who was running towards the back of the field in the early stages of Formula One’s first night race. But the novelty factor for him was not the floodlights. It has now been suggested that he was worried about which lap he was on because he knew he had special instructions for lap 14. Piquet says: “What lap are we in, what lap are we in?” A few seconds later an engineer tells the others on the wall: “He just asked: ‘What lap are we in?’ ” Symonds intervenes: “Yeah, tell him that he’s about to complete lap 8.” Symonds insists Piquet is then told something he should know from his pitboard, which is shown to him at the end of every lap. “No, just tell him, he is about, he’s just completing, he’s about to complete lap eight.” After Piquet is given the information, the discussion returns to the timing of Alonso’s first stop and Symonds makes his decision. “Right, I’m going to . . . I think we’re going to stop him just before we catch him [a reference to the Williams driver, Kazuki Nakajima, who was ahead of Alonso] and get him out of it, the reason being we’ve still got this worry on the fuel pump. It’s only a couple of laps short. We’re going to be stopping him early and we’re going to go to lap 40.” This decision prompts an engineer, who wants assurance from Symonds that a tactical option that would drop Alonso to last is the right thing to do. “Pat, do you still not think that this is a bit too early?” he asks a few minutes later. “We only did six tenths that lap.” Symonds replies: “No, no it’s going to be all right.” “OK, OK, understood,” the engineer responds. Once Alonso has made his stop, Symonds tells everybody that it is time to “concentrate on” Piquet. After assessing the Brazilian’s position, he and Briatore decide Piquet has to quicken up as the fateful lap draws near. Symonds to the engineer: “OK right, you’ve got to push him really bloody hard now. If he doesn’t get past Barrichello, he’s going nowhere, he’s got to get past Barrichello this lap.” “Tell him, push . . .,” Briatore says. Piquet’s race engineer gives him the hurry-up: “Nelson, no excuses now, you’ve got to get past Barrichello. You’ve got four clicks straight-line advantage. Come on, you’ve got to push now, you must get past him.” Moments later Piquet crashes at turn 17, where there are no cranes to lift the wreckage, making a safety car inevitable, and at the point at which he alleges Symonds told him to do the deed during a meeting before the race. Multiple voices: “Nelson’s off. F***ing hell. Nelson’s had a crash. I would say that would be a red flag. It’s huge [all speaking at the same time] . Piquet: “Sorry guys. I had a little outing.” Engineer: “Is he all right, Is he all right?” Symonds: “Ask him if he’s all right.” Engineer: “Are you OK? Are you OK?” Engineer: “Fernando’s just gone past it.” Engineer: “OK, yellow flag.” Piquet: “Yeah, I hit my head in the back. I think I’m OK.” Engineer: “OK, understood.” Symonds: “Right [inaudible], stop him.” Engineer: “Safety car, safety car, safety car, safety car. Fernando, safety car, mixture three.” Symonds: “Tell him to be careful, turn 17 I think it is.” After several exchanges about Alonso, an engineer expresses concern, presumably after seeing the crash on the television monitor, but Briatore seems unconcerned and is angry with Piquet. Engineer: “F***ing hell that was a big shunt.” Briatore: “F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.” Then Symonds asks about Alonso’s suddenly improving prospects. Symonds: “What position is Fernando in?” Engineer: “Well, we were 20, and we’re first guy to pick the safety car up.” Symonds: “Yeah, we’re not . . .” Engineer: “He will get away past it but he’s got to wait.” Later Briatore and Symonds discuss Alonso’s chances. “What position we are now in all this?” asks Briatore. Symonds replies: “To be honest, I don’t know Flavio. It’s got to have been good for Fernando. But I honestly don’t know where he is.” In the final part of the transcript, several minutes after the crash, the Renault team return to the subject of Piquet and his condition and at this stage Briatore adds his own concern for the young Brazilian driver’s welfare. Engineer: “Where is Nelson? Have you seen him?” Briatore: “Is he OK, Nelson? Is he OK?” Alonso: “The pitlane is closed until we arrive?” Engineer: “He climbed out, mate, and ran across the track.” Engineer: “Yeah, the pitlane is still closed.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6834552.ece Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Breaking news on BBC and Sky Sports, Flav and Symonds have resigned from Renault F1, can't find a link yet though. Renault are also not disputing the allegations. *edit* http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78668 _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top TimR Supercharged My Car: Fiat Coupe Turbo, BMW E39 M5 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5096 Location: On the hard shoulder Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Gotta laugh at Piquet's comment in the above transcript "I had a little outing". No kidding mate How prophetic. Back to top DaveGibson Supercharged My Car: Lexus IS250 SE-I Auto. Triumph TR7V8 Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5457 Location: Worcestershire Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Alan Henry, in today's Autocar, is wondering how much Alonso knew. As he points out, when you fail to qualify for Q3, it's not normal to be fuelled for only 12 laps. He also indicates that, when at McLaren, Alonso suggested they let Hamilton run out of fuel so that he could win. Back to top Scouse Petrolhead My Car: Jaguar 4.0 Sport / Civic Type S Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1757 Location: Ormskirk, Lancashire Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:05 pm    Post subject: Biartore & Symonds have resigned and Renault will not be contesting the charge accoridng to the news on radio 2??? _________________ Scouse Back to top Eff One Petrolhead My Car: Sweet FA Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 2420 Location: Southampton Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: It's all over the web now, including Autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78668 I'm shocked particularly at Symonds, who always seemed a pretty down-to-earth sort. I just don't understand the mentality of behaviour like this. With Renault not disputing the charge, what chance they'll be thrown out of F1 for good? _________________ "Racing is life. Everything before and after is just waiting." Steve McQueen Back to top Humphrey The Pug Supercharged My Car: Megane ST 1.5 dCi 106 Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 5579 Location: usually Guildford or Weybridge Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Renault probably told them to go in the hope that it would save the team, we shall see what happens on Monday/Tuesday. _________________ Mummy, Daddy, Sissy, Sassy Baby. Back to top the other ct Motoring On My Car: E34 525i sport Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 579 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: Quote: Briatore: “F***ing hell . . . my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.” _________________ "I’m not gonna wear a ladies’ wetsuit I’m a man! ...Get me a small man’s wetsuit, please." Back to top Big TC Supercharged My Car: Seat Toledo 20V SE, Citroen C1 Diesel Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5760 Location: Stuck in my ways Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Shan't miss Flav-the-chav, to be honest. He always looks to me like he'll smell of some sickly sweet soap, which doesn't quite mask his B.O. So whereto Pat Symonds now - if Renault are found guilty, then he will be guilty too. Probably get a life-ban from F1, which will be down-graded to a ten grand fine, or something like it. _________________ It's a '57 Pontiac Star Chief, dontchaknow. Back to top BeN The Motor, Singapore branch. My Car: Toyota Corolla View My Motor: . Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 9012 Location: Singapore Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: I have an inkling that Flav will get off lightly. He's good chums with Bernie after all. _________________ On the other side of the world - Hurlecot de Millou Not the same since 2008 Back to top PhilD Running In Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 406 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Am I the only person who doesn't think this is a big deal? It's just sport afterall. Back to top Chris M Wants a V-10 Petrolhead My Car: Ford Galaxy Ghia TDI Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2220 Location: Somewhere in a Galaxy near Camberley, Surrey Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Humphrey The Pug wrote: Renault probably told them to go in the hope that it would save the team, we shall see what happens on Monday/Tuesday. Alonso's main concern, so he said when he trotted off to McLaren, was that there was no evidence of any long-term commitment to F1.  Maybe this present fiasco is an ideal opportunity for Renault to pull out for next year, also giving credence to the "new" Sauber team being given a reserve entry for next year (ie with Renault out, Sauber are now guaranteed a place for 2010). PhilD wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think this is a big deal? It's just sport afterall Nope, not at all..... this kind of thing must go on in many sports; Just off the top of my head, I can think of horse racing, football and snooker games where fixing has been raised as an issue. _________________ Papped by Paul; London 2008-09-27 Back to top Apex clipper Turbocharged My Car: Is now fixededed... Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 3495 Location: Worcester..sauce..shire. Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:07 am    Post subject: Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote: Nope, not at all..... this kind of thing must go on in many sports; Just off the top of my head, I can think of horse racing, football and snooker games where fixing has been raised as an issue. But they arn't doing 200mph! The risk to life must be addressed in the enquiry that the FIA must warrent. I'm shocked. Makes a mockery of the F1 roadshow..serious questions need to be asked and answered by all and sundry.. if the show is to go on. _________________ Minky Moo & Millie Maloo. Back to top Apex clipper Turbocharged My Car: Is now fixededed... Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 3495 Location: Worcester..sauce..shire. Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: *Coughs _________________ Minky Moo & Millie Maloo. Back to top PhilD Running In Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 406 Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Apex clipper wrote: Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote: Nope, not at all..... this kind of thing must go on in many sports; Just off the top of my head, I can think of horse racing, football and snooker games where fixing has been raised as an issue. But they arn't doing 200mph! The risk to life must be addressed in the enquiry that the FIA must warrent.. nor are F1 cars a lot of the time, and do you think F1 is more dangerous than horse racing? Anyway I wasn't reffering to the danger or otherwise of this type of cheating (and neither has the media as far as I've seen in it's reporting) instead I just don't think that that in the grand scheme of things a bit of cheating in sport is really that bad. In fact I think this is quite clever! 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