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"him" · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject:

It is just a shame that putting a GTI badge on a Montego wasn't...

Having said that, my Dad had a Sierra 2.0 Si (non DOHC), which had around 115BHP, and 'back in the day' that was quite brisk really...
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TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject:

The GTI badge wasn't entirely inappropriate as the car was as quick as a Mk2 Golf GTI 8 valve.

I had 2 MG Maestro 2 litres and they were slightly quicker.

For a really bad place to put a GTI badge I think VW succeeded with the Mk3 2 litre 8 valve.
115BHP in something that weighed about 3 tonnes and couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.
They should've kept it badged as a GLX (or something) as it was in overseas markets.

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

Indeed it was.

My Escort Mk2 1.6 had 90bhp and that was a lot back in 86 - went like the proverbial as far as I knew.

Even trading upto a Cavalier SRi and then Golf GTI only got me 115bhp.

Now my 193bhp 2.8 is nearly bettered by a 2.0l diesel.
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cbeaks1 · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject:

Faint praise?

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What Car? Cars of the year 1989

Best Sports Car Award: 14th place MG Montego EFi

"him" · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject:

Mark · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject:

TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject:

Mark · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject:

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject:

The Mk2 8V was no ball of fire but it pulled well with a very even power spread and went round corners very well, plus the VW build quality was ahead of most stuff at the time.

Back then anything over 100bhp was considered relatively fast - the "average" car was a 1.6L Cavalier or Sierra with 90bhp.

I had a GTI back in 94 and it will still a pretty good car then - a 205GTI was a lot quicker though.
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TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject:

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject:

Mk1 Cav's and late Cortina's were 1.6 with 72BHP, the Mk2 Cavalier 1.6 had 9obhp which was great for a 1.6 in it's day.

I'm not sure what the 1.6 sierra started with (72 as well?) but I think by the time they finished that had 90 - I could be confusing that with the later introduced 1.8 though.
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TimR · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject:

What Car managed to get a 1.6 Montego to 60 in 10 seconds.

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject:

Frank Bullitt · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject:

It was a '92 model and having just Googled, it was 72bhp. A 1.4 Flair in white. Had some sporty pretentions, like the SR steering wheel and rear spoiler, 6 speaker radio cassette. Sadly not the SR, but I liked it.

I subsequently had a 1.2, which I think was 60bhp. One of the toughest cars I have ever had. Sold it a 111k and it felt like it could do that again.

The 1 litre Metro Surf she had before the Nova had a heady 46bhp.

Ah, they were the days!

Blarno · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject:

1.2 Nova with a carb has a whopping 45 Bhp, going up to 50 with SFi in the Corsa.

Even the 1.0 3 pot that replaced it was faster!

I think the AX is the least powerful car I have ever owned, with a stonking 45 Bhp. Blue Frog's starter motor has more power than that!
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Pkh72 · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject:

No, it must have been more than 45 for the 1.2 Nova. I'm sure it was 60.

Blarno · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject:

I stand corrected. The 1.0 was 45 Bhp, the 1.2 had 55 (Oooooh, so much!), the 1.3 had 60 or 70 and the 1.4 had 75 or 82.
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Roadsterstu · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject:

Figures from Parkers show the 1.2i as 45bhp. The pre-cat, carb fed 1.2, like mine, was 55bhp.

The 1.4 Flair my mum had was just proir to the introduction of cats and as such was 72bhp, rather than the 1.4i's 60bhp.

Roadsterstu · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject:

Blarno · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject:

I remember my Belmont being the more powerful 70 Bhp 1.3 variant.

Nice.
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canadian bacon · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

Turbonutter · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject:

Roadrunner · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject:

Bryan M · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject:

I thought the Belmont was like the Astra and had the slightly more powerful 75bhp 1.3 engine!

Matt · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject:

I think it's amazing what relatively low power, modern gearboxes and aerodynamics can achieve.
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gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:27 am Post subject:

Matt · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:46 am Post subject:

The early SRI Mk.3 Cav was a bit of a beast for the day, with 130bhp. My Dad had an ex-fleet 2.0 GL, which was the 115bhp 8v and he saw 135 on the speedo. Pretty impressive for the day.
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Mark · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:03 am Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:44 am Post subject:

currently on the train betwe

en sheffield and leeds. rather excited

Racing · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

To get V8? Excellent!

I'm in my office, but I did drive here in the Z1 on a nice (mainly) sunny day and should be able to leave shortly so not all bad.
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Roadrunner · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject:

Well???
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Blarno · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject:

If he has any sense, he's out playing on roundabouts!
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"him" · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject:

My thoughts exactly...

He is either on the hard shoulder of the M1 having run out of fuel, or is in A&E trying to get his grin removed?

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Roadsterstu · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject:

Roadrunner · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

Deeply, deeply jealous.
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Roadsterstu · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject:

I know the ZT260 is not to everyone's taste - it seems to be a love it or loath it car. I think it is fantastic.

I only saw one bloke on the way back who obviously recognised it as a 260. He was on the M1, in a Jap import Galant VR4. As we left the 50 limit I accelerated fairly quick but had to be mindful of a motorbike just ahead who was going to have to move into my lane for joining traffic. he took full advantage and went for it. Pretty damn quickly. To most people though, it just blends in.

Just looked up the price of updated satnav software from Tele Atlas. £113!!! Er, no, I'll stick with my Tomtom. The maps I have are 2005/2006. Unless I can get a copy...

DradusContact · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:01 am Post subject:

Defo in the love it category myself, looks superb.
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"him" · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:18 am Post subject:

That looks good, but we really need to HEAR it...

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Roadsterstu · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:05 am Post subject:

DradusContact · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject:

What are you doing on here, your not driving it nearly enough....
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Roadsterstu · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject:

gonnabuildabuggy · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:

Blarno · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject:

Stu, do you realise it's actually against the law to drive a ZT260 with a standard exhaust system?

You must remedy this with a stainless before I inform your superiors.

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Turbonutter · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject:

Hope you get the aircon issue sorted soon and without too much fuss.

Still, sounds like the car experience itself, the driving etc, hasn't been marred too much

Roadsterstu · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Roadsterstu · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject:

Any of you guys got any idea what is going on with that compressor clutch plate?