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simonp

Yx prefixed BMWs

To be avoided, or not?
Frank Bullitt

BMW registered cars - they can have been either registered and used as hire cars, BMW UK company cars, demo's etc.

I don't think there is a specific reason to avoid them.
cbeaks1

Or just from Yorkshire. No reason to avoid at all but I would probably rather have a company car than an ex hire car.
JohnC

I didn't know that BMW UK cars were all prefixed Y.
gooner

cbeaks1 wrote:
Or just from Yorkshire. No reason to avoid at all but I would probably rather have a company car than an ex hire car.


Agree. We always keep our servicing and maintenance up to date whereas hire cars have a habit of going past service intervals and never having screen wash etc.
Martin

Frank Bullitt wrote:
BMW registered cars - they can have been either registered and used as hire cars, BMW UK company cars, demo's etc.

I don't think there is a specific reason to avoid them.


+1

I'm not quite quire how it works, as the 130i was an ex demo on a DE (local) plate but the Clubman had a Y plate.  It wouldn't put me off at all, as long as it was in the condition you'd expect.

Thinking about upgrading, Simon?  
TreVoR

As long as it's not an ex-press car, I am sure it will be fine.  I think it was Piers with an ex-press Megane and he had loads of issues - that may or may not have been down to it being a Megane though!
Richard (ex-MB)

Frank Bullitt wrote:
BMW registered cars - they can have been either registered and used as hire cars, BMW UK company cars, demo's etc.

I don't think there is a specific reason to avoid them.


This - although dealer demonstrators tend to be registered in the area local to the dealer rather than centrally.

Same as Mercedes or VW Group cars with registrations beginning KM-KY.

At Mercedes these could be former:

Head Office company cars
Employee lease cars
Press fleet cars
Hire cars (MB supplied the big hire companies directly)
"Trident" cars (MB supplied lease cars directly to employees of large companies, usually banks)
MB World track cars

The condition of the cars could vary. Ex-company or staff lease cars tended to be in very good condition as returning one in a poor condition could see you barred from the scheme.

MB sold the best condition ones through their MB Direct outlets (now called MB Used Cars).

BMW dealers will get the best of the BMW UK cars so if you are looking at one at a main dealer it will probably be fine. However, if you are looking at one at a non-franchised dealer then there may be a reason why it wasn't taken by a main dealer.
Blarno

Remember when Piers bought an ex press demo Megane RS?
Frank Bullitt

By demo I meant central fleet rather than for each dealer.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy from a car supermarket, if BMW deal with hire companies direct I'd imagine it's the higher mileage cars that end up outside of the franchise network (I've noticed BMW's at motor point tend to have more than 10k in the clock where as BMW cars don't). Our DS4 is from a car supermarket and ex hire - we bought it specifically because it was less than 12 months old and had less than 12,500 on the clock so it hadn't been serviced; we saved over £1,500 on dealer cars that had 15k on the clock and were clearly from the same source
simonp

Martin wrote:
Thinking about upgrading, Simon?  


Not sure really. My insurance company have been dragging their heels for so long that I think I've looked at half the makes on the market and am going around for a second lap now! I was taking a butcher's at 4GCs at work last night and they've all got Yorkshire plates on, wherever they happen to be in the dealership network.

One thing I have noticed is that BMW (and Audi, too) seem to let their dealers set their own finance rates, so one dealer will charge a higher APR than another, which makes shopping more difficult. Can make what looks to be a cheaper car more expensive once you figure in interest on top.

Martin

You could look at it that way, or that there's room for negotiation on the rate as well as the price.  BMW finance rates for used cars are a fair bit higher than for new ones, which can make it cheaper to finance a new one over 4 years than a 12 month old one over 3 (for example)
simonp

My nearest dealer that has a used one in stock is Dicky L in Hungerford, which is an hour's drive. There's another in Bath which is nearer, but no used stock. May have one in the showroom, though?

Probably needs to be used or in stock, if new, as I need it in a hurry!
simonp

I'm looking at premium makes a bit because I really want xenon headlights again and all the mainstream manufacturers seem to be going over to LEDs which I'd like to avoid at that end of the market. My eyes don't like them! Mazda, for example, have phased out xenon's across their range for the 2016 MY.
Martin

I don't think you'd have an issue with full fat LEDs, but it's not just mainstream manufacturers that are using the low powered units, that's what BMW fit to the 1 & 2 series ranges.
simonp

I know that LEDs can be good, as I have torches brighter than the headlights on a Leon.

Martin

simonp wrote:
I know that LEDs can be good, as I have torches brighter than the headlights on a Leon.



PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Our DS4 is from a car supermarket


slight thread highjack -  I've bought cars from supermarkets with friends when all they wanted was a certain size car for a certain price, but how does it work if a you are after a particular model and spec? or is that not how these places work?
Frank Bullitt

You can search by car make and spec, motorpoint (where we got the DS4) they provide information around mileage, date registered, colour and location etc. then you call them up to do the deal (if it's local you can obviously pop along), so we decided we wanted a specific model then I called up about five/ six of them to get details of location, whether they had been serviced etc and up the deposit down on the one I wanted. It could then be delivered to Peterborough in 5 working days for £99 or I could collect from Derby at a time to suit, I did the latter as we wanted it for the weekend and did the deal on Tuesday. If for any reason we didn't like the car my £300 deposit would be refunded there and then.

I went to the Peterborough depot a few years ago with a mate who wanted a Panda commuter hack - he looked along the line and picked the one he wanted , they had about 20.

It works either way. There's no warm chamois treatment but the Cutroen was £1,500 less than cars at Citroen dealership 14-16k with similar plates; all registered by Evans Halshaw in Sheffield on 30/6/2013.
Frank Bullitt

simonp wrote:
I'm looking at premium makes a bit because I really want xenon headlights again and all the mainstream manufacturers seem to be going over to LEDs which I'd like to avoid at that end of the market. My eyes don't like them! Mazda, for example, have phased out xenon's across their range for the 2016 MY.


You might not be keen but the DS4 has full directional Bi-Xenon's as an option on DStyle Nav and DSport versions (£900 on the former as it comes with blind spot monitoring and parking sensors, £600 on the latter as these other bits are already fitted); broadspeed have the 1.6THP DSport 200 at £16,500.
PhilD

Thanks FB!
Chip Butty

As has been already alluded to - an " XXX " ex-company car is not just an ex-management car. It could have been a press car, a VIP car, a hire car (all the manufacturers tend to do guaranteed buy backs with the big hire companies), etc.

It's sods law as to how the car you are looking at has been treated - it could have likely been " owned " by an unsympathetic muppet who has little interest in looking after their company car, or used by someone like me. However - this could equally apply to a privately purchased and owned car that has been traded in.

Ex company vehicle stock is prep'd before sale to the dealer network, so evidence of mis-treatment is not obvious.

All you can do is buy the one that drives the best and doesn't squeak/rattle.
Tim

I've got a Y prefix BMW and I've not had any concerns of the sort mentioned above.

Mind you it is only a Y because it's from 2001 and it does have, er, other issues.
simonp

Bit academic now, as I'm 90% sure I'll be placing a deposit on an A3 Sportback tomorrow.

I went into the BMW place in Bath today and looked at the two 3 Series based hatchback cars. They had a 3 GT as a used buy and a 4 GC in the showroom. The former was a horrible spec, silver M Sport with beige interior and halogen headlamps and the latter was nearly 37 grand and all black. The GT is much more practical and roomy inside, but definitely not as good looking, whereas the 4 had a much shallower boot and fiddly fixed parcel shelves with nowhere to store them once removed.

I then went to the VW shop, but couldn't find anywhere to park within half a mile of the place (customer parking was all double parked and impossible to even fit a 500 in!) so I binned them off.

Next was Mazda. I looked at a 3 and a CX-3. Both nice enough, but the thought of owning one didn't excite me much. Good 0% finance offers on the 3, but not the newer CX.

Ford shop, couldn't get parked again. How do these places sell cars?!

Skoda, closed for a refit. As was Renault...

Vauxhall. Just closed altogether!

Finally to Bath Audi, which isn't in Bath. There is a Merc place next door, but I never visited it. I priced up a 1.4T COD S-Line Sportback with the DSG gearbox and a couple of other options and it was obviously a fair bit more per month than the Mazda, but the interior alone made it worth it. Because I need a car quickly they're looking into what is waiting on the dock over on the mainland, because all their stock cars were diesel, which I don't want. They reckon they can get me a new A3 within 10 days, which is doable hopefully. As with Martin's comment above, financing a used car works out more expensive.
cbeaks1

There is no availability on ST3 Estates so it would have been months away.

I've not driven one but as an object, with the right wheels, the Sportback looks very nice indeed.
simonp

Forgot to mention that I went for a quick drive in the only A3 they had in my required spec, which was a convertible. Ride was fine on the sport suspension and 18" wheels and performance was perky enough.
PG

simonp wrote:
...Ford shop, couldn't get parked again. How do these places sell cars?!


Our local Peugeot garage is the same. When I used to have to take our horse lorry in to get warranty work done (it is a Boxster chassis) it was always impossible to park. In the end I just used to leave it on the forecourt and give them the keys.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PG wrote:
.....When I used to have to take our horse lorry in to get warranty work done (it is a Boxster chassis) .....



A mid-engined horsebox???  Or maybe it's based on a Peugeot Boxer... we can dream, can't we !
PG

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
PG wrote:
.....When I used to have to take our horse lorry in to get warranty work done (it is a Boxster chassis) .....



A mid-engined horsebox???  Or maybe it's based on a Peugeot Boxer... we can dream, can't we !


Oops!
gooner

Be a bit of a drop in power over the Leon. I know most cars will feel fast after the 500 but it will feel mighty slow after the Cupra I'd have thought. Have the insurance company paid out to you yet?
simonp

Nope, they said it might be this week, but I'm not holding my breath!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

I passed an articulated car transporter-load of assorted Yx-15 plated BMWs a few days back, on the M3 heading from Basingstoke towards London.... so they may not even have been imported in the North-East
Alf McQueef

YF-prefixed ones, like mine was, were demonstrators or management cars originally. I didn't realise YX were the same. I would say it makes no difference, personally - after some initial issues that were a design fault not through abuse, mine felt like it would last forever. I wonder if it was clocked...
simonp

Small x, referring to any other letter...
simonp

Had to take a walk in Bath yesterday after dropping off a Focus rental car. I was walking back along the river and realised I wasn't far from the aforementioned VW dealer, so I went and had a look around. They only had three petrol cars on the forecourt, two manual GTIs and a DSG Golf R. They were all 5 door models which I don't like in the mk7 because of an intense, possibly pathological, dislike I have of a small detail in the bodywork of the new 5 door. No 3 door, no interested!

"My" also aforementioned A3 was no longer available, so I'm going to Surrey tomorrow to look at a used one. It's pretty expensive, but highly specced, so I'm not sure if I'll get anywhere trying to haggle on the price at all. Does not having a trade in for them to dispose of put me in a better position at all?
Giant

simonp wrote:
Had to take a walk in Bath yesterday after dropping off a Focus rental car. I was walking back along the river and realised I wasn't far from the aforementioned VW dealer, so I went and had a look around. They only had three petrol cars on the forecourt, two manual GTIs and a DSG Golf R. They were all 5 door models which I don't like in the mk7 because of an intense, possibly pathological, dislike I have of a small detail in the bodywork of the new 5 door. No 3 door, no interested!

"My" also aforementioned A3 was no longer available, so I'm going to Surrey tomorrow to look at a used one. It's pretty expensive, but highly specced, so I'm not sure if I'll get anywhere trying to haggle on the price at all. Does not having a trade in for them to dispose of put me in a better position at all?


I'm sure I'm not the only one who know needs to know:

What is that detail?!
Blarno

All of it.
simonp

Giant wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only one who know needs to know:

What is that detail?!


If I reveal it you'll hate it, too! Next time I'm at the pooter I'll post a pic.
PR

I've just been scrutinising photos of Mk7 Golf 5drs trying to work out what it could be.

Is it the point where the 'shoulder' of the rear door meets the pillar and just ends?
Michael

Door shut line that runs in a straight line across the wheel arch radius?
PhilD

Rear quarter light?
simonp

Michael wrote:
Door shut line that runs in a straight line across the wheel arch radius?


Michael wins a doughnut!



I hate the bit where the shutline of the rear door doesn't follow the curve of the wheelarch like the mk5 one did.

PhilD

simonp wrote:


I hate the bit where the shutline of the rear door doesn't follow the curve of the wheelarch like the mk5 one did.



How do you mean, 5 looks the same to me?
Michael

I have to admit I agree with Simon, that's really annoying.
PhilD

It might be annoying but it's also pretty common with 5 doors
Michael

Perhaps but that's particularly badly resolved.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
Perhaps but that's particularly badly resolved.


You are right. The colour doesn't help but its the body work above the rear sill that's the problem I think.
Andy C

Doesn't bother me. I think the mk7 is the best looking golf for years
PhilD

can't see it so much here, and agree with you Andy, looks great

cbeaks1

Door handles above the crease look crap too. For proof see lots of current Mercs.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Michael wrote:
I have to admit I agree with Simon, that's really annoying.

Having had it pointed out, I fully agree - dreadful piece of design
Giant

I agree, and remember now having noticed this before on a colleagues Golf. I think it is exacerbated by the door line running parallel with the rear pillar line (a la mk4) above the change in direction, so for it to not follow the wheel arch lower down looks doubly  wrong.
PG

[quote="Michael:530776"]Perhaps but that's particularly badly resolved./quote]

Yes. Having just googled side on views of 5 door Leons, A3 sportbacks and Skoda Octavias, it is only the Golf that is so afflicted.
simonp

Anyway, back to the second paragraph of my post, yes I did buy it.
PhilD

simonp wrote:
Anyway, back to the second paragraph of my post, yes I did buy it.


The A3? even with it's own obvious it's weird styling detail?!
Martin

That's good, must be a weight off your mind.

Details? pictures?
simonp

PhilD wrote:
simonp wrote:
Anyway, back to the second paragraph of my post, yes I did buy it.


The A3? even with it's own obvious it's weird styling detail?!


I have my fingers in my ears. LA LA LA LA LA!

Pictures to follow when the sun comes back. Looks like any other one, as it's silver. Nice spec, HDD sat nav with touchpad MMI thingy, sunroof and comfort pack (dimming rvm, parking sensors, auto lights and wipers etc)
Martin

Is it a 1.4TSI Sline with DSG?
simonp

It is, yes. Forgot about those details! Dunno if it's still online anywhere, but it was from Walton Audi.

ETA it's a free door one, not a Sportback.
Martin

This one?  Looks very nice and a decent spec.

http://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/u...69516-14380.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_
Michael

Nice looking car, pretty, if you will. What's cods-line all about?
simonp

Cylinder On Demand. Runs as a 2 cylinder on light throttle openings. I'm hoping to see if there is a display to let you know when it happens as I can't tell when it does!
simonp

Martin wrote:
This one?  Looks very nice and a decent spec.

http://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/u...69516-14380.aspx?srcmdc=se_ce_re_


That's the one.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

What's a "Luggage pack"? Does it come with tailored suicases to maximise use of boot space?







(and more importantly, does it have a spare wheel?)
Frank Bullitt

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
What's a "Luggage pack"? Does it come with tailored suicases to maximise use of boot space?







(and more importantly, does it have a spare wheel?)


They do have a full size spare and and the luggage pack is stuff like nets in the boot and an extra 12v socket.

I like that, the current A3 is a resolved piece of design - you shouldn't be able to to detect it going from 2-4 cylinder mode, it's only really in the former at light throttle openings and lower speed cruising.
simonp

It does have a spare wheel, but I never noticed whether it was full sized or not tbh.

Driven it in the dark already, as I stopped off at my parents' house on the way back and it's nice to have a decent spread of light in front of the car again.

The "panoramic roof" seems a bit of a misnomer, as it's no bigger than what used to be called a sunroof back in the day. It looks big from the outside, but the hole in the roof on the inside is pretty small. Nice to have, though, providing the sun makes a reappearance at some point!
simonp

Car is proving to be comically economical compare to anything else I've owned. Filled it up on Saturday and the range on the display showed 435 miles. I've been to work 3 times since then (a 46 mile round trip) and now the range still says 400 miles and the gauge hasn't dropped from the full mark yet!
Big Blue

Nice looking car. I like A3s.

Drive safe
simonp

That's what Mrs P says to me. Every bloody day. She has also turned into a driving instructor, barking out instructions and driving tips whenever she's in the passenger seat, as well as hissing air through her teeth or stabbing imaginary brake pedals every 30 seconds. I can barely be in the car with her!
Michael

simonp wrote:
I can barely be in the car with her!


I'm sure the feeling is mutual!  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

simonp wrote:

I can barely be in the car with her!


You want one of those roof box thingies that Bob uses for transporting his mother-in-law around.....
simonp

Michael wrote:
simonp wrote:
I can barely be in the car with her!


I'm sure the feeling is mutual!  


Probably, but when I suggested that she drives us everywhere from now on that wasn't fair...

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