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Roadrunner

Yet Another Non-breakdown

Airmatic warning came on this morning. Car riding low in the front NS corner with the sound of air pissing out under pressure. Bugger.
Bob Sacamano

Re: Yet Another Non-breakdown

Roadrunner wrote:
Airmatic warning came on this morning. Car riding low in the front NS corner with the sound of air pissing out under pressure. Bugger.


I really think MB should give up on the whole air suspension idea, it's obviously not for them.

They should have bought reliable tech off Citroen.
Twelfth Monkey

Is that likely to be a problem of alf proportions, or are you warrantied?
Frank Bullitt

Re: Yet Another Non-breakdown

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
Airmatic warning came on this morning. Car riding low in the front NS corner with the sound of air pissing out under pressure. Bugger.


I really think MB should give up on the whole air suspension idea, it's obviously not for them.

They should have bought reliable tech off Citroen.


Exactly, and Citroen should have remembered their own tech when putting the unreliable pneumatic system on the back of the C4/ Grand Picasso.

Hopefully it gets sorted reasonably cheaply
Martin

Hopefully it isn't too expensive to fix, maybe it will just be a hole in the air bag.  The quality of the air bags on the F11 5 series isn't great apparently, but decent quality replacements aren't that expensive.
TreVoR

A front strut was £1,200 for mine IIRC.  It sounds like it may just be a leaky pipe.

Mercedes air suspension is no more unreliable than any other manufacturer.
TreVoR

Martin wrote:
Hopefully it isn't too expensive to fix, maybe it will just be a hole in the air bag.  The quality of the air bags on the F11 5 series isn't great apparently, but decent quality replacements aren't that expensive.


No air bags - air struts - they are bloody dear.
Martin

Ahhh, hopefully just a pipe then.
gonnabuildabuggy

TreVoR wrote:
A front strut was £1,200 for mine IIRC.  It sounds like it may just be a leaky pipe.

Mercedes air suspension is no more unreliable than any other manufacturer.


The fact you can hear it does seem a positive, hopefully a leaky pipe as Mark suggests.

I looked at a warranty on my E500 but it wouldn't cover the airmatic and that was the only bit I was worried about (box already done).
Bob Sacamano

TreVoR wrote:
A front strut was £1,200 for mine IIRC.  It sounds like it may just be a leaky pipe.

Mercedes air suspension is no more unreliable than any other manufacturer.


True. There are no reliable air suspensions from any manufacturer.
Roadrunner

Bob Sacamano wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
A front strut was £1,200 for mine IIRC.  It sounds like it may just be a leaky pipe.

Mercedes air suspension is no more unreliable than any other manufacturer.


True. There are no reliable air suspensions from any manufacturer.


...which is a shame because, when it works, it is very good indeed. Up until now, I would ceratinly have looked for Airmatic on any future Benz purchase.
Martin

I see it's standard on the new E Class (AMG Trim Level)
Bob Sacamano

Martin wrote:
I see it's standard on the new E Class (AMG Trim Level)


Expect to see a lot of lop-sided E Class in a couple of years then.
Tim

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Martin wrote:
I see it's standard on the new E Class (AMG Trim Level)


Expect to see a lot of lop-sided E Class in a couple of years then.


So Merc are going to put air suspension - perhaps notable for its comfort qualities - on a model with an ostensibly sporty badge  
Roadrunner

Tim wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Martin wrote:
I see it's standard on the new E Class (AMG Trim Level)


Expect to see a lot of lop-sided E Class in a couple of years then.


So Merc are going to put air suspension - perhaps notable for its comfort qualities - on a model with an ostensibly sporty badge  


Don't forget it does have Comfort, Sport 1 and Sport 2 modes, but responds actively within each range, adapting to driving style, speed and road conditions. From my experince it is notable for providing an excellent blend of comfort and handling, especially when pressing on. The harder you drive, the better it gets, almost defying the laws of physics when making progress on a bumpy B-road.
gonnabuildabuggy

It's the benefit of having the alternative modes is the real benefit.

Motorway, normal and MK roundabout mode as we renamed them.

Personally I didn't find Sport 2 as stiff as I'd have liked (certainly not as stiff as my E39 Sport) but it still had great ride quality in that mode comparitively.
Resident Spanner

If you can hear it it's more than likely a pipe has split or corroded, struts usually push oil past the seals if they fail internally.
TreVoR

Resident Spanner wrote:
If you can hear it it's more than likely a pipe has split or corroded, struts usually push oil past the seals if they fail internally.


The solenoid failed in mine so the system jacks itself up to the highest pressure.  Hard isn't a good enough description!
Roadrunner

The garage phoned earlier. It does need a new strut and also two tyres to get through the MOT. The good news is that they can do the strut for about £550.00 plus fitting, which is better than I thought it would be.

I had been wondering about getting something newer, but the extra £15,000+ it would cost to make that plan worthwhile will cover a lot of possible repairs over the next few years, so I think I shall keep it. When everything works it is as close as possible to the perfect solution for my main family car.
TreVoR

They must have managed to get an exchange or aftermarket one.  The Bilstein ones are still over £900.
Roadrunner

They told me it was a genuine Bilstein new part. A quick search at retail prices found this pair for £1,591.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Bils...s+T-Model&hash=item3aa3d638d2
gonnabuildabuggy

Roadrunner wrote:
The garage phoned earlier. It does need a new strut and also two tyres to get through the MOT. The good news is that they can do the strut for about £550.00 plus fitting, which is better than I thought it would be.

I had been wondering about getting something newer, but the extra £15,000+ it would cost to make that plan worthwhile will cover a lot of possible repairs over the next few years, so I think I shall keep it. When everything works it is as close as possible to the perfect solution for my main family car.


You'll have to pay to get it fixed anyway (or the cost of fixing will be deducted from any sale price) and once done the biggest risk is another £550 for the other side.

That's less than 2 months payments on a new car.
TreVoR

Roadrunner wrote:
They told me it was a genuine Bilstein new part. A quick search at retail prices found this pair for £1,591.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Bils...s+T-Model&hash=item3aa3d638d2


That's pretty good then.  Lucky, the warranty paid for mine, but I was shocked at the price.
Roadrunner

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
The garage phoned earlier. It does need a new strut and also two tyres to get through the MOT. The good news is that they can do the strut for about £550.00 plus fitting, which is better than I thought it would be.

I had been wondering about getting something newer, but the extra £15,000+ it would cost to make that plan worthwhile will cover a lot of possible repairs over the next few years, so I think I shall keep it. When everything works it is as close as possible to the perfect solution for my main family car.


You'll have to pay to get it fixed anyway (or the cost of fixing will be deducted from any sale price) and once done the biggest risk is another £550 for the other side.

That's less than 2 months payments on a new car.


My thoughts exactly. I have not seen anything much under £25,000 that would make the swap worthwhile. That would be an extra £16,000+ over the current value of my car, which would pay for an awful lot of new air struts.
gonnabuildabuggy

Mate has an 05 with 130k on it.

For what it would cost to replace it, and what it's worth he can't seet he point in changing his either.
Roadrunner

I collected it yesterday afternoon, £1,500 worse off than I was before, but with that including a service, MOT, two new tyres and the new Airmatic strut, probably not too bad. It drives very well indeed and shows that it was probably operating at below par for some time before it finally let go.

Having driven my mother's non-Airmatic E320 yesterday, I can ceratinly see a difference and, while the standard setup is very good, the Airmatic's ability to defy the laws of physics would have me ticking that box on the option sheet every time. Magic carpet ride, excellent body control and flat cornering which reminds me a little of the Rolls-Royce Phantom I drove.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8...LtRKk64pu2wr8hSVcWYXmpErBl0ub28Qy
Love this guy's videos, almost enough to make me want to buy an older Benz
Bob Sacamano

Roadrunner wrote:
I collected it yesterday afternoon, £1,500 worse off than I was before, but with that including a service, MOT, two new tyres and the new Airmatic strut, probably not too bad. It drives very well indeed and shows that it was probably operating at below par for some time before it finally let go.

Having driven my mother's non-Airmatic E320 yesterday, I can ceratinly see a difference and, while the standard setup is very good, the Airmatic's ability to defy the laws of physics would have me ticking that box on the option sheet every time. Magic carpet ride, excellent body control and flat cornering which reminds me a little of the Rolls-Royce Phantom I drove.


Rolls Royce used to use Citroen suspension (as does the Challenger tank) - have they switched to air now?
Roadrunner

They switched to air with the current Phantom.
Big Blue

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Mate has an 05 with 130k on it.

For what it would cost to replace it, and what it's worth he can't seet he point in changing his either.


If I'm honest, if I wasn't such a fickle c**t die Schreibmaschine is in this category. I'm hoping if I buy that B5 then I can concentrate on something else, and with a new Fireblade due in 2017 and the possibility of a V4 Honda litre bike too, it will most likely be those two.
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Mate has an 05 with 130k on it.

For what it would cost to replace it, and what it's worth he can't seet he point in changing his either.


If I'm honest, if I wasn't such a fickle c**t die Schreibmaschine is in this category. I'm hoping if I buy that B5 then I can concentrate on something else, and with a new Fireblade due in 2017 and the possibility of a V4 Honda litre bike too, it will most likely be those two.


I too wrestle with the itch.

FRV perfect family transport and worth buttons
Cooper D - fast and 17 yr old insurable
MX5 - fun and modable

Yet I really fancy a change.

I'm going to spend some cash on the MX5 to try to shift the itch.
Roadsterstu

Colin, I don't think anyone here has the itch anywhere near as badly as you do!  
gonnabuildabuggy

Roadsterstu wrote:
Colin, I don't think anyone here has the itch anywhere near as badly as you do!  


New seats purchased and also a set of track wheels and a whole lot of other stuff.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

New seats purchased and also a set of track wheels and a whole lot of other stuff.

For the buggy or the MX-5?  
gonnabuildabuggy

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

New seats purchased and also a set of track wheels and a whole lot of other stuff.

For the buggy or the MX-5?  


MX5. I don't have a Buggy yet, the plan is to build one at some point (hence the name).

Right now kids are getting in the way of major construction like that.

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