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woof woof

What to do????

I'm toying with the idea of buying a 4x4.

It's something I've never had and although I'm not as into cars as I used to be I think I'd still like one as it's something I've never had and this might be my last chance to blow money on something I don't need before I get married and SWMBO has more say. Anyway, I've done two seaters multiple times, I've had small cars and I've done the big saloon thing with the Jag so maybe now's the time for the 4x4 and it's a 4x4 I'm thinking of rather than a front wheel drive variant.

The closest I've come to a 4x4 was looking at Subaru's years ago but that was cars rather than Land Rover style and I bought the Jag instead so I never got the 4x4, this time I'm looking at Land Rover style rather than a car.

I'm thinking 5 door and automatic but beyond that I'm not bothered about spec as I'm sure that even the most basic has more than my two seaters have had.

I'll be looking at trade sales up to 5 years or so old and up to 60k or so on the clock. There seem to be enough to choose from with those filters.

So, this is the short list...

Range Rover Evoque.
Lexus RX thingy... 450??

Or for about half the price...

Nissan Qashqai, X Trail.
Rav 4 but not sure about this unless it's the stand out choice.

One thing I'm a bit worried about is fuel as I've never had a diesel other than as a short term hire and I'm just a bit worried about the whole diesel hatred that seems to be bubbling away. Going for petrol will affect some of the cars and options on the list. My annual millage is going to be low so I wonder if this is going to be a worry with a diesel?

Please shower me with abuse and tell me it's mad or give advice as appropriate :D
TreVoR

You could do a lot worse than a Freelander 2. It is probably the most reliable vehicle Land Rover have ever produced and it would be my personal choice of that size 4x4.

Don't worry about diesel hatred in this sort of vehicle.  Unless the petrol is a V8, it is pointless.
gooner

A petrol variant,mic you can find one, is going to be a lot cheaper or possibly better specced than a diesel one so its not a bad idea to look away from diesel if your annual mileage is low.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Re: What to do????

woof woof wrote:
I'm toying with the idea of buying a 4x4.

Why not rent one for a week or two first to see if you think you could put up with one long-term?
Outback, Forester and Levorg are available from Subaru if you don't want a Chelsea Tractor, plus other options such as Volvo XC's (apart from the XC90) and Audi Allroads.  For low annual mileage, used petrol versions will probably represent far better value than diesels but also think of trade-in values in the future, depending on how long you intend to keep it.

With typically large tyres and a big frontal area, you will also probably notice a lot more road and wind noise than in many of your previous drives, particulalrly the Jaguar
cbeaks1

2.5 T Kuga Titanium (pref X) for somewhere near £10k Max.

Petrol , auto, sounds good, 200hp, drives well.
Racing Teatray

What's the budget?
Roadsterstu

Lexus RX hybrid for a bit of well built luxury, perhaps?

Congratulations, by the way. Is a wedding fairly imminent?
franki68

The Lexus intrigues me,I like the way they look,the reliability but have never driven onE.A friends mum has one and he says it drives 'funny'.
As with all 4x4s expect bigger bills than normal ,the Only one I had which didn't cost an arm and leg to run was the Nissan Pathfinder.
Michael

The Bentley Bentagya has a petrol engine and four wheel drive or alternatively there is the Dacia Duster which also has an engine. The Volvo XC90 is very good or perhaps the British build Honda CRV?
woof woof

Budget is something up to mid £20k's for the Evoque and Lexus or the £10k-16k-ish area for the cheaper Nissan. I've not heard of some of the cars mentioned here so I'll have to Google them.

I'm a bit worried about the possible implications of not doing many miles in a diesel and of course I'll have more than one car which spreads the millage around, could this have an effect on the particulate filters etc?

Thanks for the congratulations, no date set as yet just a vague spring 2017 target, LI had a health scare that came completely out of the blue and looked like being life changing but it turned out to be something and nothing... always get a second opinion! Now we're back on track we'll look at setting a date.
gonnabuildabuggy

franki68 wrote:
The Lexus intrigues me,I like the way they look,the reliability but have never driven onE.A friends mum has one and he says it drives 'funny'.
As with all 4x4s expect bigger bills than normal ,the Only one I had which didn't cost an arm and leg to run was the Nissan Pathfinder.


Could be the CVT effect, it does rev a bit as speed catches up but not that bad. A bit rolly too, but similar to most SUV's I suspect.
Frank Bullitt

The award-winning Tata Safari is the preferred 4x4 on the forum, no DPF so not such an issue with the diesel.
Big Blue

Live a little:

http://m.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C765721

Lamborghini AND a 4x4. What's to lose?
Racing Teatray

Don't they have fuel consumption which is best measured in gallons per mile, rather than miles per gallon??!

I wouldn't get any form of disease unless I had to for business use or because I wanted to tow stuff and needed the torque.

I've always quite liked the Audi Q5 - you can get a 2.0TFSi one of those for mid-teens which will be a pleasant and sparky enough steer by SUV standards. If it's too big, then there's always the Q3.
Giant

how about something more leftfield?

Perfect for taking mother to the shops:
woof woof

I see sarcasm is alive and well here.

I'm worried about diesel so unless someone wants to tell me I'm making a big mistake I'll cross it off the list and stick to petrol, that'll reduce the list.

Hiring is a good idea and if I can get the possibilities down to one or two I might look at that.

Trev, will look at Freelander 2, also forgot Landcruiser. My ex has one and it seems nice but petrol ones seem thin on the ground.
Big Blue

All joking aside I'd look at this if you're doing under 8k miles per annum.  

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609047419261
simonp

cbeaks1 wrote:
2.5 T Kuga Titanium (pref X) for somewhere near £10k Max.

Petrol , auto, sounds good, 200hp, drives well, £500 road tax.


Added a bit...
Racing Teatray

Big Blue wrote:
All joking aside I'd look at this if you're doing under 8k miles per annum.  

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201609047419261


Oohh...4.8 V8 TURBO....but that model is horrid inside though...and that's a left-hooker...
Roadsterstu

Just get a Landcruiser and never buy another car ever again.

More seriously, diesel with DPF is fine if it's given a good run every now and again.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

woof woof wrote:

I'm a bit worried about the possible implications of not doing many miles in a diesel

Not a 4x4 but could I interest you in a circa 12-year old silver V70 D5 auto with under 25k on the clock?  MoT due next month and it's only been serviced about 3 times since new.......
It's got a front wing savaged by someone who didn't leave their details in a Sainsbury's car park about 2 years ago, kerbed alloys and a few scratches here and there
Frank Bullitt

Since summer 2013 Mrs FB has used our DPF'd family car on a daily basis going 2 miles to work each way and the odd trip here and there with bigger trips at occasional weekends and so on; touch wood we have never had a single DPF issue, I think it is one of the lost over-hyped things to fear in the motoring world.
woof woof

ok, if the filters are a non issue I may consider a diesel but I think rather than concentrate too much on the engine and fuel I'll look at price, condition and spec. I might have a chat to my tame mechanic as whenever I take my MX5 in he tells me it needs a long run and that should tell you that my millage is low and even assuming that I'm not going to keep three cars I'll still have two and the millage across both will still be low.

I had a look at a Freelander and didn't like anything about it but as I'm a moody git I'll have another look on another day just to make sure. I'm also going to add a Subaru of some description to the list of possibilities but the big fat Germans are not going on the list no matter how nice they may be due to my own view that they're gaudy and tasteless even in the company of the Evoque, Lexus and other Japanese SUV's  

I'm a bit busy at the mo but will take a longer and more serious look over the next few weeks.

First world problems eh? Looking to spend anything between £10k-£30k on something I don't need just to scratch an itch... but it's my money and I worked f-ing hard to get it  
Michael

woof woof wrote:


First world problems eh? Looking to spend anything between £10k-£30k on something I don't need just to scratch an itch... but it's my money and I worked f-ing hard to get it  


Congratulations on the marriage.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Since summer 2013 Mrs FB has used our DPF'd family car on a daily basis going 2 miles to work each way and the odd trip here and there with bigger trips at occasional weekends and so on; touch wood we have never had a single DPF issue, I think it is one of the lost over-hyped things to fear in the motoring world.


They do cause a  bit of grief at work, due to short trips and a lot of idling.
woof woof

Michael wrote:
Congratulations on the marriage.


That's a few/6/8 months off and she has her own money and her own nice car so a tinsy bit of squandering on my part isn't an issue other than to me and my tight arse.
woof woof

Roadsterstu wrote:
They do cause a  bit of grief at work, due to short trips and a lot of idling.


I'm going to be cautious and get a couple of mechanics views on this.
Chip Butty

Quote:
12-year old silver V70 D5 auto with under 25k on the clock?  MoT due next month and it's only been serviced about 3 times since new....
...

Yer wot ?

3 services....in 12 years ?.....and that's supposed to be good ?.

The engine must be shagged.
woof woof

I know people who haven't been serviced three times in 12 years. It's not good.

Thanks for your help and advice guys. It's been real.

PG

If you mileage is low and you want a petrol 4x4, then the only thing to go for is a full fat V8 Range Rover. Hundreds to choose from in your price bracket.
woof woof

There's the sensible thing and there's what catches my eye.

At the mo I'm not too sure which way to go - The Lexus / RR way or the cheaper Landcruiser / Qashqai way.
woof woof

Looked at a Range Rover today, they're off the list now :D but on the positive side LI is supportive about changing cars.
woof woof

Well, it turns out that LI beat me to it. She's ordered something big, automatic and loaded with... everything. It's a nice colour too. She's picking it up next month.

As people in 4x4's have driven into my MX5 twice recently I'm going to have to cross my fingers and hope she isn't the next one.
BeN

Welcome back!!!

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