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Racing Teatray

What is the forum consensus on....

...the Maserati 4200?

Looking awfully tempting at £15-20k for a decent one.
Nice Guy Eddie

Is there a decent one?

In all seriousness they are bloody lovely in the right spec but I doubt I'm brave enough and the driving pleasure would be seriously lagging behind the potential for ruinous bills.
PhilD

Do it.
PhilD

Look lovely.
Sound lovely.
Super cool.
Rare.
Room in the back for a baby  
Michael

I've idly browsed these, too. They seem capable of high miles and are still a handsome beast even though the 3200 had nicer lights on the back.
The auto seems to be one to avoid but I imagine you would anyway. Manuals seem rare, however.
Obviously the electrics are going to fail at some point and the trim will creak but if serviced appropriately I don't see why it shouldn't work as required.
Nice Guy Eddie

I should add that I'd probably go for a spyder

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...sa---------------2003/5665870?v=c
Racing Teatray

This caught my eye:

http://www.adgsevenoaks.co.uk/use...pe-v8-gt-2005-model-yearfmsh-2213
Stuntman

They get the thumbs up from me, although I agree completely with Ed regarding the propensity for serious bills.  

I also think a darker colour than that grey would suit it better.  To me, the silver of the grille doesn't quite work with the grey of the bodywork.  Now a nice deep metallic blue on the other hand...
Frank Bullitt

The guy I was chatting to at the weekend with a Mustang Shelby 500GT had swapped a 4200GT, he fancied a change but thought it was a fabulous car - no issues at all so long as you keep on top of maintenance, 15mpg which he thought was fine when compared to 10mpg for the Mustang!

So long as you accept it will have the odd big bill, why not...
Nice Guy Eddie

Stuntman wrote:
 

I also think a darker colour than that grey would suit it better.  To me, the silver of the grille doesn't quite work with the grey of the bodywork.  Now a nice deep metallic blue on the other hand...
100%

Also the Silver plastic interior with the tans a bit of a clash.
JohnC

I'm probably a luddite but I don't really get the 4200 and find its looks rather taxing. I'd rather have an XKR, Merc 500 of some sort or an M3.

A partner of a firm I trained with has a 2009 Quattroporte which he bought just under 3 years old and it needed welding for its first MOT (thankfully under warranty). He loves it though and still has it even though he was lamenting the near £3,000 a service had just cost him when I saw him for golf last Friday.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:


So long as you accept it will have the odd big bill, why not...


One of those cars that seem to cost £20k but you really need £30k just in case. If you are happy that £30k is worth it then fill your boots!
Bob Sacamano

I have to say the 4200 looks like a stretched Grand Punto, but perhaps not built quite as well. Maserati is a great and historic name but they've been trading for too long on that and really haven't delivered the product quality to match.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I have to say the 4200 looks like a stretched Grand Punto, but perhaps not built quite as well. Maserati is a great and historic name but they've been trading for too long on that and really haven't delivered the product quality to match.


as I said

Look lovely.
Sound lovely.
Super cool.
Rare.
Room in the back for a baby...
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I have to say the 4200 looks like a stretched Grand Punto, but perhaps not built quite as well. Maserati is a great and historic name but they've been trading for too long on that and really haven't delivered the product quality to match.


as I said

Look lovely.
Sound lovely.
Super cool.
Rare.
Room in the back for a baby...


Yes, but what about the Maserati?
Twelfth Monkey

What is this forum 'consensus' business?  Isn't it like the Loch Ness Monster, the Yeti or somesuch?
Racing Teatray

It is something that in time-honoured style one seeks and then roundly ignores.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
... the Yeti or somesuch?

I don't think he wants a Skoda.....
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I have to say the 4200 looks like a stretched Grand Punto, but perhaps not built quite as well. Maserati is a great and historic name but they've been trading for too long on that and really haven't delivered the product quality to match.


as I said

Look lovely.
Sound lovely.
Super cool.
Rare.
Room in the back for a baby...


Yes, but what about the Maserati?


that was my joke Bob, do keep up.
Nelson

great looking car, in a dark colour, but getting old now and possible financially ruinous. It may hold it's value and have the cache of an Aston Martin but not for me even if I did have the money. I wouldn't have the balls. I do like an SL though...expensive to maintain but cool too.
Martin

It's looking a bit too old to me and I wouldn't risk my own money on one, but I can see why it would appeal.
Giant

Look good, especially in dark blue as mentioned by stuntman,
Sound fabulous
Italian

Old (relatively)
Italian
Apparent likelihood of big bills

Always a treat to see one, would never be brace enough to put my own money into one.
PG

To quote Tony Tiger "They're great" in a real rarity and left field way. I'd have an auto though.

But as already said I think you need to be prepared to maintain it at any cost.
TreVoR

I thought the 4200 was a lot better for bills than the 3200?
gooner

I can never forgive Maserati for putting horrible blocky lights on the back in lieu of the 3200s boomerang LEDs, such a backwards step.
Big Blue

Not a fan. Quatroporte all the way.
Racing Teatray

I've always found the headlamps on the quattropotty too small for it. But like the current XJ.
Racing Teatray

Quiet day in the office, so just nipped down to Sevenoaks (40 mins on the train from Cannon St) in my (long) lunch break to take a look at the grey 4200 GT and another blue 4200 they have which has the Cambiocorsa box.

Grey car is good-looking and has an excellent main dealer history file, but a little tired inside. Didn't get to drive it as it was buried deep in the showroom.

Blue one also very nice and also had decent history file, plus it was outside so I took that for a run around the sunny Kent countryside. Which was very interesting as it gave me an opportunity to try out the Cambiocorsa box. Now I have tried this before as I understand it is essentially a development of the F1 box in the 355, which I have tried before. And it was actually not half-bad. Much better than the system in the M5, not being hamstrung with a zillion modes. There's auto, or manual, or sport. Not clear if Sport only stiffened up the Skyhook dampers or also affected the 'box but either way it was rather nice to drive. Rode decently too and, even without a sports exhaust, it made a jolly good noise once warmed up and given some beans. Pretty vivid acceleration too. Figures say it is on a par with my M135i. Brain says it feels faster. Very urgent pick-up and free-revving.

Turns out the dealer is next door to a Maserati service specialist which had 20-30 cars in for work, many of which were 3200/4200s. Had a goodly chat with one of the senior guys there who was talking me through the servicing, costs, common faults, comparative merits of the manual vs CC etc. Apparently only 10% of cars are manuals. He favoured the CC on the grounds the manual is quite hard work, especially in town.

So a worthwhile trip.
Tim

Go for it.
I think the Skyhook suspension modules can be expensive but I'm sure they're cheaper and more reliable to run than the 3200.

I'd definitely go for the manual though, I got a passenger ride in a flappy paddle one and in maximum attack mode you could feel the gearchanges banging in through the seat.
It was also a cabrio and not the most solid of things.
Racing Teatray

Preeetty car:





They don't come with sunroofs ever sadly. But I could overlook that.
PG

Tim wrote:
Go for it....

I'd definitely go for the manual though, I got a passenger ride in a flappy paddle one and in maximum attack mode you could feel the gearchanges banging in through the seat.


Unless you are a complete hero-level driver, I doubt that a full bore manual change is that clean either? Especially on a box described as hard work ny the experts.

Cambiocorsa all the way for me. That blue looks lovely and blue is the new black / silver it seems.
Racing Teatray

Not necessarily sold on that particular example. Nothing wrong with it - just feel like having more of a look around before making any decisions one way or another.
Twelfth Monkey

Nice looking car, that.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:


They don't come with sunroofs ever sadly. But I could overlook that.


I was going to say after your gushing review that you were clearly smitten and this just confirms it!
Racing Teatray

Did my review gush? I thought it was quite short – I wrote it sitting on the train back to London.

I'll try a more detailed version.

Good points:

(i) Overall it's very good-looking inside and out. But '05 model year on cars look nicer than the earlier cars to me as I like the GranSport nose cone they get;
(ii) feels like a premium up-market bit of kit in general and more solidly built than I was perhaps expecting;
(iii) it has a fabulous-looking engine that when you open up the bonnet makes you feel like an excited 10 year old;
(iv) performance is not lacking – it has an urgent feel to the acceleration that some more modern ostensibly faster cars can lack. It kind of has just the right degree of drama to it – enough to be enjoyable but not enough to be unnerving;
(v) sounds good – initially quite muted and remains relatively quiet in normal driving but it revs to the heavens and if you use those revs it sounds absolutely gorgeous;
(vi) handled well enough and the ride was much better than I expected. The one I drove had the Skyhook suspension and you could tell the difference between Sport and Comfort.
(vii) generally easy to drive, to place on the road and see out of;
(viii) cambiocorsa gearbox nowhere near as bad as I thought. You wouldn't accept it in a new car, but in an old one, it's fine;
(ix) the back seats are relatively spacious with actual leg room;
(x) It's very unlikely to depreciate if you get a good one so the lack of depreciation can be mentally offset against the running costs.

Bad points:

(i) Servicing is expensive. £500 is basic cost for an annual service at any Indy. £1,500 for the major ones.
(ii) parts are expensive – a new clutch fitted on a Cambiocorsa is £2k+ and lasts 30k miles. A new clutch on the manual costs the same but lasts 60k miles. CC cars have at least got a clutch wear indicator so in theory at least you know how much life it has left. Manuals lack this.
(iii) If you get a CC car, you would need to learn to drive around the CC box and it is not without foibles;
(iv) liable to on-going niggly problems – the service records of both cars (and the grey one was all main dealers) showed a range of minor issues being dealt with at every service ranging from wonky headlights to the gear selector coming adrift to air-con issues.
(v) feels its age somewhat inside in terms of switchgear and tech etc – eg the built-in phone-system is of no use not being bluetooth;
(vi) finding a really immaculate one would be key and would require some searching – some items of the interior trim seems fragile – on the grey car all the chrome rings on the vents were flaking horribly which looked terrible. Perhaps they are cheap to replace. I'm guessing not; and
(vii) the boot is not particularly big (trade-off for those spacious rear seats).

Overall I really liked it. No, whilst it's nice to drive, it's not an especially sharp steer (you wouldn't be heading off to the EVO triangle in it any time soon) and yes aspects of it are elderly, but it feels special and the combination of THAT engine with the looks, performance and relative practicality is really quite a winning one. It does feel like an event, which is important for this kind of car.
Andy C

I love the sound of these . Sounds like you'd enjoy it so get it bought
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
Did my review gush?


Not objectively  
Roadsterstu

Does Mrs Racing like the 4200? Surely this is key to the purchase?
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
Does Mrs Racing like the 4200? Surely this is key to the purchase?


She's Italian Stu so presumably she wants a TVR...
Martin

Roadsterstu wrote:
Does Mrs Racing like the 4200? Surely this is key to the purchase?


Sounds like the top priority.  I don't think he would have gone to look if not.
Frank Bullitt

Buy it - the negatives seem to be ones you scratched around for rather than really felt
Roadsterstu

Seen a small handful of these at LVEB today, including one being used on track. I think our consensus today was, "do it"!
BeN

It does sound like a good choice despite all the foibles.

I say go for it if you really like it.
Alf McQueef

I like them - I've been tempted by good 3200's in the past for around £12k... But I think I'd hold out for a Masser from the ZF gearbox era...
Racing Teatray

Trouble is that I don't like the designs nearly as much.
Racing Teatray

Quite a bit outside budget but gosh this is pretty:

http://www.adgsevenoaks.co.uk/use...-05-model-yearlarini-exhaust-2350
Martin

Are the roll hoops fixed in that position? They really spoil the looks with the roof down.  I'm surprised you're happy with silver trim, especially with a beige interior!
Michael

Extend the budget.
Frank Bullitt

Has the 4-seat element kg the brief nailed
Racing Teatray

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Has the 4-seat element kg the brief nailed


You what?!
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Has the 4-seat element kg the brief nailed


You what?!


'k' is near 'o' and 'g' is near 'f' on a keyboard so is it "Has the 4-seat element of the brief nailed" ?
Frank Bullitt

Eye, what 'e said!
Racing Teatray

assume sarky because it's of course a two seater...
Frank Bullitt

Racing Teatray wrote:
assume sarky because it's of course a two seater...


Ah yes, it was!

If you'd said you were happy with a 2-seater I'd have suggested this exact car which I saw a short while back
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Eye, what 'e said!


Has your phone recently updated to Android 6.whatever and fucked up the predictive text and text input, like mine?

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