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JohnC

What is important to the Police?

There was an accident outside the office today between an old Fiesta and a 14 plate Astra.

Astra was driven by a gentleman of about 70 years who had his wife with him.

The Fiesta was driven by a mid 20's guy who was giving the elderly couple a hard time.

The Fiesta was white with a blue tailgate. I did a quick DVLA check and the car came up as blue at DVLA although it was taxed and had an MOT but my feeling was that the blue tailgate with number plate attached perhaps came from the blue car and the rest of the car in white was perhaps from somewhere else.

We managed to get the elderly lady in to the office because she was well shaken - it turns out that they were on their way to the hospital because her husband was going for a scan because they thought he might have cancer!

When she was in we told her about the colour of the car and asked her if she wanted us to call the Police, which she did. However because no-one was hurt and the drivers were exchanging details the Police weren't interested. Apparently the colour of the car and potentially it's origins was of no interest and all of that would be sorted by the insurance companies. There was also no interest when asked what happened if the details given were false and the car isn't what it is appears - a curt response was received that it was nothing to do with the Police and it was a matter for insurance!

Disappointing for the elderly couple (who from what I could gather appear to have been the innocent party). However we did make a few phone calls and get them shuffled in the list so that the husband still got seen today at hospital.
gooner

So when the owner of the rest of the blue Fiesta gets a notice from their insurer that the elderly couple are making a claim against their insurance and rightly dispute it, where does that leave the elderly couple? Stuffed of course because it'll be their insurer who has to pay and the scrote in the white Fiesta will have probably chucked it away and sorted himself out with another old banger.

What you should have done is report to the police that you were concerned the drivers were fighting, that would have gotten the attention of a local Panda car at least.
Big Blue

Resources are scarce so priorities have to be made. This one probably doesn't even make the top 100. There'll be a load of forms to fill in and nothing would come out of it, so end of matter from a police point of view.

Frustrating as you're involved; more frustrating because as a motorist 77mph in a 70 would be penalised if that was the day's priority or if a camera were involved whereas a genuine concern about the legality of a vehicle on the road goes un-actioned. In reality nothing would have come of the check on the Fiesta so resources that would have been spent on the paperwork can be better served elsewhere.
Roadsterstu

Big Blue wrote:
Resources are scarce so priorities have to be made. This one probably doesn't even make the top 100. There'll be a load of forms to fill in and nothing would come out of it, so end of matter from a police point of view.

Frustrating as you're involved; more frustrating because as a motorist 77mph in a 70 would be penalised if that was the day's priority or if a camera were involved whereas a genuine concern about the legality of a vehicle on the road goes un-actioned. In reality nothing would have come of the check on the Fiesta so resources that would have been spent on the paperwork can be better served elsewhere.


That is essentially it. This is now where we are at due to massive cuts and an ever increasing demand. There are a number of things the police simply cannot resource any more. Believe me, the public would be staggered at how few officers cover their area.
Grampa

You should have then told them, "hang on the guy's pointing a gun at the elderly couple" - then when they turned up and said, "you said someone had a gun", replied, "well you said you didn't have anyone you could send round!"
Racing Teatray

Sad to hear. Did you start photographing everything? That usually causes a panic if people aren't insured or otherwise dubious.

When I had an accident with a scrote in an A-Class in London three years ago, the guy was very aggressive and mouthy and refused to give insurance details, right up to the point where I took out my phone and started taking pictures. At which point he shut up, legged it back to his car and drove off at high speed. I managed to get a picture of his car and numberplate, but not him.

The owner of the Merc, which was insured, stubbornly refused to admit the car had been in any accident and was later prosecuted and fined 800 for failing to disclose who was driving, so presumably the chap I met wasn't actually on the insurance and that's why he legged it.

If I hadn't got a picture of his car showing damage and numberplate, I reckon I would have been completely stuffed, insurance-wise.
PG

Roadsterstu wrote:
That is essentially it. This is now where we are at due to massive cuts and an ever increasing demand. There are a number of things the police simply cannot resource any more. Believe me, the public would be staggered at how few officers cover their area.


I am sure that rank and file officers are the ones who feel the budget issues. I don't see photos of the Commissioner of the Met on the bus or tube or taking a panda car to get to meetings...  

I read an interesting article a whole back (which sadly I can't lay my hands on now) that said that the best way to sort out the police budget issues was to legalise and licence soft drugs. Too many crimes for police to solve or be interested in - easy - reduce crime by reducing things that are criminal. Whilst the article could be laughed at by some, there is an argument that the approach beginning to be taken in some US states (or legalising the sale of dope in controlled premises) can actually reduce crime. Legalisation has worked before. After all, go back 50 years and police time was spent investigating the prosecuting homosexuals.
PhilD

PG wrote:

I am sure that rank and file officers are the ones who feel the budget issues. I don't see photos of the Commissioner of the Met on the bus or tube.


I think she avoids the tube of obvious reasons...
Big Blue

Remember the Bullshitters, by the Comic Strip Presents....

Bogie: Where's the fast cars and the walkie talkies?

Cowley: Here's a pair of bus passes and a bag of 2p pieces: there's been cutbacks.
gooner

PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
That is essentially it. This is now where we are at due to massive cuts and an ever increasing demand. There are a number of things the police simply cannot resource any more. Believe me, the public would be staggered at how few officers cover their area.


I am sure that rank and file officers are the ones who feel the budget issues. I don't see photos of the Commissioner of the Met on the bus or tube or taking a panda car to get to meetings...

I read an interesting article a whole back (which sadly I can't lay my hands on now) that said that the best way to sort out the police budget issues was to legalise and licence soft drugs. Too many crimes for police to solve or be interested in - easy - reduce crime by reducing things that are criminal. Whilst the article could be laughed at by some, there is an argument that the approach beginning to be taken in some US states (or legalising the sale of dope in controlled premises) can actually reduce crime. Legalisation has worked before. After all, go back 50 years and police time was spent investigating the prosecuting homosexuals.


There's been lots of arguments for legalisation of drugs over the years and they are pretty sound. You get more reputable suppliers, less chances of poor (or mixed) products, less wastage of Police time on petty crime and as a bonus you can collect tax on all purchases. But the downside is that you're condoning the use of some quite dangerous substances and you need a pretty strong politician to dare suggest such a policy.
Grampa

Big Blue wrote:
Frustrating as you're involved; more frustrating because as a motorist 77mph in a 70 would be penalised if that was the day's priority or if a camera were involved whereas a genuine concern about the legality of a vehicle on the road goes un-actioned


This is one of the most frustrating things as a motorist - 'crimes' seem to be prosecuted according to ease of raising revenue rather than the severity of the crime and of course it's easier to target people who are for the most part honest as they tend to accept it's a 'fair cop' whereas inherently dishonest people know they can play the system and offer enough resistance to the point where there are no resources to chase them.

When you see some of police following documentaries though, it does make you wonder how well resources are allocated - for instance 4 or 5 vehicles turning up to an RTA, half a dozen getting involved in a vehicle pursuit etc - is it perhaps the huge amount of recording and paper work expected these days that mean a seemingly OTT presence is required?
Blarno

Royalties?
Grampa

Roadsterstu

4 to 5 vehicles at a RTC. Potentially all single crewed so 4 or 5 officers. Traffic control, drivers to be dealt with etc. Numerous reasons. Pursuits? Well you need 3 for TPAC, plus what happens if there are runners from the vehicle? Anyway, those documentaries are always flush with resources. One single crewed traffic car for 4 counties is nearer the reality.

As for the legalise drugs debate, alcohol is legal, tobacco is legal. Granted, you can tax it but there will always still be the criminal element making money from cheaper/fake/new drugs.

And I've had to use the bus to get to meetings or go out to do enquiries. I hate the bus, especially on duty!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Bacon sarnies
Bob Sacamano

Roadsterstu wrote:


And I've had to use the bus to get to meetings or go out to do enquiries. I hate the bus, especially on duty!


My best mate, when he was a young probationer on foot patrol in Sunderland, got a call on the radio to lend assistance at an incident. Using what he thought was his initiative, he flagged down a passing double-decker bus and commandeered it and all its passengers to drive him there. He arrived, with the bus by now miles off its route, just as his sergeant was getting out of a patrol car. He got a right bollocking for that. I think it made the local news as some passengers thought they were being kidnapped.
Roadsterstu

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:


And I've had to use the bus to get to meetings or go out to do enquiries. I hate the bus, especially on duty!


My best mate, when he was a young probationer on foot patrol in Sunderland, got a call on the radio to lend assistance at an incident. Using what he thought was his initiative, he flagged down a passing double-decker bus and commandeered it and all its passengers to drive him there. He arrived, with the bus by now miles off its route, just as his sergeant was getting out of a patrol car. He got a right bollocking for that. I think it made the local news as some passengers thought they were being kidnapped.


I once commandeered a canal boat!
Roadsterstu

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Bacon sarnies


Obvs!

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