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TreVoR

Watching F1

I am mildly irked to discover that Sky F1HD is now part of the sports package and no longer part of the HD package. I understand that this doesn't affect subscribers who haven't changed their subscriptions, but seeing as I cancelled my Sky for three months while between houses and have now re-subscribed, the channel is no longer available to me.  

So, the question is how will you watch the F1 this season without subscribing to Sky Sports?
Humphrey The Pug

I have my managers spare Sky Go account set up on my iPad.
gooner

Probably won't tbh. Maybe the morning races if they're on the beeb, but Sunday afternoons are usually too busy for me to sit watching F1 for 3 hours.
Sav

No change for me; for Sky's live-exclusive GP's I will watch Sky, for the GP's that the Beeb are showing live I will watch that.
Big TC

Can you watch on the BBC website? That's how I watched some of the 6 nations coverage, as it clashed with something my landlord wanted to watch on the (his) tv.
Twelfth Monkey

Record on the Beeb and watch when it suits.  Sky can go piss up a rope.
Giant

Re: Watching F1

TreVoR wrote:
I am mildly irked to discover that Sky F1HD is now part of the sports package and no longer part of the HD package.


It was always going to happen, establish themselves with no charges then start charging subs.

I'll be recording off bbc and watching with the FF button in hand.
Big Blue

SkyGo and BBC for me.
Scouse

I'll be recording it on sky and watching it later.

The biggest pain in the arse with sky is if you set it to series link it records every F1 programme, all the practise sessions, qualifying etc. One weekend fills the bloody box up.
Nice Guy Eddie

I'll be watching on Sky which I appreciate is no help.

Their standard of coverage is fantastic though I never thought I'd moan about too much F1 on TV.
Frank Bullitt

Re: Watching F1

TreVoR wrote:
So, the question is how will you watch the F1 this season without subscribing to Sky Sports?


By only watching it on the Beeb when it's on!
TreVoR

Re: Watching F1

Frank Bullitt wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
So, the question is how will you watch the F1 this season without subscribing to Sky Sports?


By only watching it on the Beeb when it's on!


Probably what I will end up doing as I am loath to pay Sky any more. What is annoying is that if I had kept my subscription going while I was in limbo I would still have it as existing customers do still get it FOC on the original HD pack without subscribing to the sports pack.
Martin

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I'll be watching on Sky which I appreciate is no help.

Their standard of coverage is fantastic though I never thought I'd moan about too much F1 on TV.


Same here.

I watched one race on the BBC last season and that was enough, EJ totally does my head in and it's just not the same without Brundle.

If I didn't get it for free with my package, I'd pay the extra.  I'd be pissed off about it though.
simonp

Planning on cadging a Sky Go pass off someone, but it's more to watch Game Of Thrones than F1. I'll probably only watch it if Red Bull's testing woes carry on into the race season!
JohnC

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Record on the Beeb and watch when it suits.  Sky can go piss up a rope.


This but I will watch some BBC races live.
Eff One

Will be watching on the BBC as often as possible when live, and recording when not.

I miss Brundle, but there's no way I'd switch to Sky with the current pricing structure. If they offered an F1 only sports package I might consider it.
Humphrey The Pug

Eff One wrote:
I miss Brundle, but there's no way I'd switch to Sky with the current pricing structure. If they offered an F1 only sports package I might consider it.


Yep same here, I'll happily pay a tenner a month to get just F1 however I'm not paying £25 odd a month to get all the football and other Sport that I have zero interest in.
TreVoR

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Eff One wrote:
I miss Brundle, but there's no way I'd switch to Sky with the current pricing structure. If they offered an F1 only sports package I might consider it.


Yep same here, I'll happily pay a tenner a month to get just F1 however I'm not paying £25 odd a month to get all the football and other Sport that I have zero interest in.


That's the issue for me.  I messed about on their website and the sports package is £22 or so per month but if you want your sports in HD it is another £6 per month!  I would quite happily pay £5 or £10 per month for the stand alone channel.
Humphrey The Pug

I wonder why they dropped F1 from the HD package and added it onto the sports package; to increase revenue?
Martin

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I wonder why they dropped F1 from the HD package and added it onto the sports package; to increase revenue?


That's exactly why!  The only thing I'm surprised about is that they aren't charging me extra.
Big Blue

Sky's positioning for F1 is highly suspect from a commercial point of view. F1 fans are not "sports fans", as footballists will happily watch other sweaty bodies thrust into one another (my sports-fan friends are happy watching anything with a ball in it including bowls!) whereas they consider any form of motorsport as "not really sport", although they consider darts and snooker to be "sports".

So as a sponsor am I getting the full-on attention of my UK audience from being broadcast on a channel that is only available with a load of other programming, that is of little interest to my target audience, at great cost to the extent they don't see my adverts on these cars.

From SKY's point of view they'll chuck this in with the sport pack to get a few more sport pack sales until they lose the broadcasting rights. Perhaps if they (a) shared the F1 channel with other platforms (OTA Freeview) for a small cost; (b) made the channel available as a stand alone at a small cost and (c) took some time to understand the F1 fanbase in the UK they might be perceived more positively by more people; but then I could say the same about BTSport and the motoGP coverage....
DetmoldDick

The cars are downright ugly and for that reason I'm out!
Tim

I'll watch the races live or the highlights only on BBC.
I'll have the mute button ready in case EJ or Suzi Perry start talking.
Twelfth Monkey

I tend to time-shift so I can skip through any utterances from Jordan.  Can't abide him.
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I tend to time-shift so I can skip through any utterances from Jordan.  Can't abide him.


He does add value but it comes at such a high price!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

DetmoldDick wrote:
The cars are downright ugly and for that reason I'm out!


also:
it's no longer racing, but a fuel economy drive except you have to see how fast you can go without running out of petrol
and now...
also, at any one moment in time you cannot consume more than a certain rate of fuel.

It's all getting so political and tied up in silly rules; I think F1 has shot itself in the foot and audiences will start to drift away (especially in Australia aftter today's post-race fiasco).

Will be interesting to see what happpens if it is proven that an FIA-supplied device to measure fuel flow proves to have been defective
Big Blue

Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote:


Will be interesting to see what happpens if it is proven that an FIA-supplied device to measure fuel flow proves to have been defective


That's not the point. Red Bull changed a part without the permission of the race organiser; both parties knew the issue with the fuel flow regulator. That's like a football team making a substitution without asking the ref even though it's clear to everyone that one player has a limb hanging off as he is carried from the pitch.
simonp

An interesting spectacle today. Ugly cars that were much slower than last year and hardly made any noise.

Find it odd that Red Bull had trouble with the fuel sensors all weekend, but every other team had none. Makes me wonder whether they tinkered with it...
Twelfth Monkey

The cars sound shit.  
DetmoldDick

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The cars sound shit.  


That's what the venue organisers thought too:


http://www.planetf1.com/driver/32...ganisers-claim-breach-of-contract
Martin

It's probably made worse by Ricciardo being disqualified.
PG

As a non-Sky-er, it's the BBC or zip for me. I tend to agree with bb re the packaging though - "motorsport" is rather different to "sport".

On the noise, I guess the noise cold be made louder if the exhausts were different? But I reckon to make a 1.6 turbo V6 sound like anything other than a very angry wasp would be a hard ask.
Eff One

simonp wrote:
Ugly cars that were much slower than last year and hardly made any noise.


Can't disagree on the ugly point, though I like the Williams - but although they're a couple of seconds slower over a lap, the straightline speeds are a lot higher. And their rate of acceleration is much more visible than it was with the gutless V8s.
Martin

I really like the way they accelerate and that they're more difficult to drive, it's reasonable compensation.  I hope the pace gap between cars and drivers remains, but I suspect it will narrow during the course of the season.
TreVoR

Is it just me or was that race a bit of an anticlimax?  I'm glad I can only catch the highlights of the majority of the races as that was very dull viewing.
Martin

The middle part of the race was a bit quiet and rain would have helped, but the first part was full of overtaking and there was a lot of changes in pace between the cars all through.  I find that sort of thing interesting, but I know some won't and you'd miss it anyway if you only watch the highlights.
PG

Martin wrote:
I really like the way they accelerate and that they're more difficult to drive, it's reasonable compensation.....


I agree with that. You can't beat the spectacle of a dab of oppo being necessary.
Tim

PG wrote:
Martin wrote:
I really like the way they accelerate and that they're more difficult to drive, it's reasonable compensation.....


I agree with that. You can't beat the spectacle of a dab of oppo being necessary.


I bet Magnusson got a bit of a surprise away from the start!

Next what we need is a proper turbo failure  
Martin

Tim wrote:
Next what we need is a proper turbo failure  


You shouldn't be wishing for turbo failure, not when you have (at least?) two!  
Tim

Martin wrote:
Tim wrote:
Next what we need is a proper turbo failure  


You shouldn't be wishing for turbo failure, not when you have (at least?) two!  


4 actually  

Average mileage per turbo is 108k    

Actually the 530d I bought sounds quite a lot like an F1 car.
6 cylinders, strange whistling noises, a Massey Ferguson soundtrack....
TreVoR

Martin wrote:
The middle part of the race was a bit quiet and rain would have helped, but the first part was full of overtaking and there was a lot of changes in pace between the cars all through.  I find that sort of thing interesting, but I know some won't and you'd miss it anyway if you only watch the highlights.


The first part was fine. The BBC showed everything up until the safety car. After that, I found it rather tedious.
PhilD

F1 doesn't really work as highlights though does it? (or any sport for that matter) due to a lack of tension.
TreVoR

PhilD wrote:
F1 doesn't really work as highlights though does it? (or any sport for that matter) due to a lack of tension.


You could well be right. Last year just about killed my interest for good and I suppose I was expecting more.
PhilD

TreVoR wrote:
PhilD wrote:
F1 doesn't really work as highlights though does it? (or any sport for that matter) due to a lack of tension.


You could well be right. Last year just about killed my interest for good and I suppose I was expecting more.


between Sky and baby I reckon I didn't see any races live last year. And with Brundle and Jake H going I don't even enjoy the build up or after show party. I must say I'm struggling to get into this season.
simonp

Eff One wrote:
simonp wrote:
Ugly cars that were much slower than last year and hardly made any noise.


Can't disagree on the ugly point, though I like the Williams - but although they're a couple of seconds slower over a lap, the straightline speeds are a lot higher. And their rate of acceleration is much more visible than it was with the gutless V8s.


They looked slower to me. Maybe they were tippy-toeing through the corners more than they used to, which gave me that impression?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

simonp wrote:

They looked slower to me.

They  may have looked slower because they sounded slower.

Article on the radio as I drove to work this morning saying that the Aussie GP organisers are contemplating sueing F1 because the cars no longer sound like proper racing cars, and apparently even Bernie is complaining about the lack of, and tone of, the noise
Boxer6

Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote:
simonp wrote:

They looked slower to me.

They  may have looked slower because they sounded slower.

Article on the radio as I drove to work this morning saying that the Aussie GP organisers are contemplating sueing F1 because the cars no longer sound like proper racing cars, and apparently even Bernie is complaining about the lack of, and tone of, the noise


"Reap what you sow" comes to mind! If F1 (well, Bernie) decides to go down the Eco route, then they shouldn't really be surprised at the end result. As someone pointed out, the circus travels the world for eight months of the year by hugely expensive (and fairly "dirty") jet aircraft - so where's the "Eco" in that? Load of old bollocks really, isn't it?
Tim

Remember the original proposal was for 1.6 litres of turbocharged 4 cylinder.

It would've sounded like a touring car race.
At least the V6s have the potential to make a nice sound.
Twelfth Monkey

DRS didn't seem to work well with the new cars, at least if you were a non-Merc powered car following a Merc powered car.  Alonso stuck behind the Force India for an eternity, then a second a lap quicker.  I found the race a bit of a disappointment after all the anticipation.
Eff One

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I found the race a bit of a disappointment after all the anticipation.


Confess I was slightly relieved! After testing it looked as if Mercedes were going to walk it, with much bigger performance gaps between the teams than we've seen of late, and a very high attrition rate.

So the fact that Mercedes aside, they were quite closely matched and far more reliable than expected, made for a better race than I was expecting.

And how brilliant was Magnussen? The mistakes will come I'm sure, but that was the best F1 debut I can remember.
Twelfth Monkey

Yep, he might just live up to his dad's hype!

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