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Andy C

VW Golf R - Test sit

Sorry to disappoint - no test drive . I wouldn't normally do a test sit in here, but the golf r is a car that intrigues me a lot.

I pulled up in a local retail park yesterday to get a spud, when I noticed I parked next to a new golf r.  I was having a look through the window when a guy approched wearing vw uniform.  It's a car I've had my eye on for a short while now.  On paper, it sounds great - 300bhp, 0-60 in 4.9, 36mpg and 4wd. It also looks fantastic , especially in topaz blue on 19s. Compared to a gti, which some say look dull, the r manages to look quick, but very subtle at the same time.

The vw guy was the service manager at the Leamington dealer, and was a bit of a petrol head.  He had ran the 1st and 2nd r32 (tracked them both ) , gti's, scirocco r's etc , so i was interested to get his thoughts on his new steed.  A few things he said stood out, like how it's in a completely different league to the gti, handling and performance wise.  One comment was something along the lines of '30k is a lot for a golf, but cross country pace is more evo/Impreza, than hot hatch now'    . Another was 'it's much more agile than the r32. It's 4wd but has a lighter engine'

It was red, on 18s (continental 5s), manual, with the cloth seats.

Sitting inside, the first thing noticeable was how good the seat, and driving position was .  The pedals were set up spot on, you sat nice and low, and the seat was very supportive. I don't like leather on cheap hatches as it's normally shit, but the cloth felt soft and comfortable . I think leather is something like a £700 option (or £1700 for nappa!) . Cloth all the way for me. It has piano black interior, but for all the other areas of goodness , I think I'd forgive it !

He offered me the keys to take it for a spin . I declined as I didn't have very long of my lunch break left, and I know if I had of done, I'd have wanted one badly  !   He started it up and it had quite a deep growl . Much much better than the mk5 gti.  It even popped when he revved it.  Definitely a 4cyl I could live with !    

In 3 years when you will be able to pick up a nice used topaz blue, 5 door, cloth seated, 19inch manual, I will have had the st for 5 years.  I think I have found it's replacement!   I haven't wanted a car as much as this as for years and years.  In fact , the last time was 2006, I was 17 ,driving a 306 and had just somehow blagged a drive in a 3 door blue focus st...


It looks superb I think :
Alf McQueef

The trouble is, in 3 years time the VW fanboys will still be buying them for nearly new prices.

On a lease, new, they are very good value - something like £400 a month + VAT on a 20k miles deal with 3 months up front, from memory... I scoped one as a price comparison.

The A45 is one 4 cylinder I could live with, not sure about the Golf...
Martin

I like the Golf R and would have one over a GTI for the first time.  I've seen a couple on the road, black and blue (both on 19s) and they look pretty good, with a nice stance you don't really see in the pictures.

I'd still have an M235i though, the R would only be in with a shout if I had to have 5 doors.

If previous R models are anything to go by, ALF is right, don't expect any bargains in 3 years!
BeN

Oh hey, I remember you asking me about it on FB. (Or was it Stunters? I think it might have been him...)

Well, anyway, here's my thoughts:

It's insanely quick. Goes like a rocketship. In fact the last time I remember feeling like this it was in the Audi RS3, so perhaps there's a connection there.

You'll want to have the exhaust in Race mode all the time, because the sound is so addictive. In Normal mode it just becomes a bit dreary and tiresome after a while.

It drinks, plenty. I got about 7km per litre which apparently was 'already very good'. (For comparison a standard Golf gets double that) I shudder to think how much worse it can go.

It does feel quite different from a GTI. I much prefer the excitable nature of the lesser powered car, but the R feels immensely capable, especially in the wet. You can do amazing things at amazing speeds with this car.

I'd say it's pretty close to a supercar hatchback as you can get. Go for it if you want (and can stomach the fuel bills).
Blarno

I don't believe that fuel economy figure for one minute.
simonp

Why not? That's about 19 mpg, if my maths is correct, about what you'd expect if the car was driven reasonably hard.

The blue is called Lapiz, not Topaz...
PhilD

Alf McQueef wrote:
The trouble is, in 3 years time the VW fanboys will still be buying them for nearly new prices.

On a lease, new, they are very good value - something like £400 a month + VAT on a 20k miles deal with 3 months up front, from memory... I scoped one as a price comparison.

The A45 is one 4 cylinder I could live with, not sure about the Golf...


Guys on Pistonheads who have them at £280 pcm, now that is a pretty amazing for what you are getting.
simonp

Shows how depreciation-proof they are...
Blarno

simonp wrote:
Why not? That's about 19 mpg, if my maths is correct, about what you'd expect if the car was driven reasonably hard.

The blue is called Lapiz, not Topaz...


I meant the 36mpg claim in the OP.

Patent bollocks from VAG.
Andy C

BeN wrote:
Oh hey, I remember you asking me about it on FB. (Or was it Stunters? I think it might have been him...)



Yeah it definitely wasn't me .


Re the mpg ... I bet it wouldn't be far off .  Dales mk5 Gti
Averages around 32 on a mix of driving .  

Id be happy with anything above 30 tbh !
Stuntman

It was me.  I like the idea of a Golf R.
simonp

You'll be lucky to get near 30 mpg, I reckon. Now I know which figure Blarno was referring to, I agree, 36 is bollocks. You'll be looking at mid 20s if you drive the car properly. SEAT claim low 40s for the new Cupra and one guy I know only got around 35 while he was running his in and keeping it under 4000rpm. A mk5 GTI may do low 30s, but it doesn't have AWD and 300PS, does it?

http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5201
Alf McQueef

PhilD wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
The trouble is, in 3 years time the VW fanboys will still be buying them for nearly new prices.

On a lease, new, they are very good value - something like £400 a month + VAT on a 20k miles deal with 3 months up front, from memory... I scoped one as a price comparison.

The A45 is one 4 cylinder I could live with, not sure about the Golf...


Guys on Pistonheads who have them at £280 pcm, now that is a pretty amazing for what you are getting.


That would be about right - ex VAT and on 10k miles (20k seems usually about £120 more). Lease works for low depreciation cars.

Fuel-wise a 2 litre turbo is going to be good on a run, but you don't get 300+horses for free when pressing on.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
If previous R models are anything to go by, ALF is right, don't expect any bargains in 3 years!


+1, no matter how good the R is it punches above it's weight in the residual value stakes like no other.
simonp

There are very few mk6 ones under £19-20K even now and they're 2010 models.
Racing Teatray

Re: VW Golf R - Test sit

Andy C wrote:
I think leather is something like a £700 option (or £1700 for nappa!).


Um leather is £1700. Or £2,600 for Nappa leather with some sort of carbon effect.

I just find it overly expensive. I specced one up to my liking and it came to £38,270 (or £39,685 with DSG).

(Basic 5dr manual: £30,555, Metallic Lapiz Blue: £535, 19" alloys: £895,
Black heated leather (only colour choice available): £1,720, Winter pack: £245, Sunroof: £920, Advanced phone: £315, Pro Nav: £1,765, DCC: £815, Upgrade sound system: £503)

For comparison, evenly specced rivals from Audi and BMW come out as follows:

Audi S3 Sportback: £37,335 (or £38,815 as an S-Tronic)...

BMW M135i: £36,770 (or £38,260 as an auto)

Only Mercedes is way out ahead, wanting an eye-watering £45,605 for an (auto only) AMG A45...

Surely a VW should cost less than an equivalently potent and specced Audi or BMW. I reckon that ultimately VW's problem is that it charges too much for the GTI and therefore it has to charge a king's ransom for the R in order to create a price gap between them...
simonp

When I was speccing cars for Mrs P the Golf came out more expensive than the A3 because we were after the 1.4T with ACT and that was only available in the GT model in the Golf range. Chuck in xenons and a decent colour paint and it was getting close to 27 grand!
Stuntman

I specced an S1 Sportback to over £31k at the weekend...
(only virtually - not intending to pull the trigger imminently)

Metallic blue
Leather sports seats
Quattro exterior pack (deleting the red headlight inserts)
Black grille pack
Black contrast roof & shoulder line
Technology pack
BOSE
Heated seats
Folding mirrors
(I think that was all)

On that basis, might the Golf R be described as decent value?
Roadsterstu

No!!! They are frightening figures. But the people pay...
Tim

What's the base price of the S1?

I know it's down to personal choice but a lot of those options that Stuntman has listed are about appearance (I don't know what the technology pack includes, is it shat nav?).

I'd be happy enough to pay something for a colour of my choice and maybe a sunroof but having to pay for things like upgrade stereos on what is meant to be the top of the range model would piss me off.
Racing Teatray

VW simply knows well how to charge. T'was ever thus.

I just specced up a GTI 5dr DSG to my liking and the answer was £36,245. That wasn't going nuts either - you can spec one up to £40k.

By comparison, even if you chuck the kitchen sink at a SEAT Leon Cupra R 280 5dr DSG, it's £32,080...before SEAT bung you 10% off...
simonp

It'd be a little more than 10%. There are brokers advertising 5 door DSGs for just over £22K already.

http://www.broker4cars.co.uk/Buy/...Variant=2.0+TSI+Cupra+280+5dr+DSG
Frank Bullitt

Roadsterstu wrote:
No!!! They are frightening figures. But the people pay...


People are buying these on PCP's - it's the monthly figures that need comparing not the cash price.
PG

I really want to like the Golf R. Quick, AWD. But....

I've just had a look at the configurator. The standard black with grey trimmings seats look naff (and the leather seat option prices are comedic); the wheel designs are very OTT and dare I say, it's all gone a bit "chavvy".

Which is exactly what a Golf R should not be.
PR

The one thing (or should that be four things) that really spoil it for me is the quad tailpipe arrangement. A four-cylinder hatch should not have four exhausts, although they're probably fake anyway.
Stuntman

I quite like the 4 tailpipes.

Here's the detail of the options on an S1 Sportback:

Metallic blue - £475
Leather sports seats (Leather is £650, sports seats are another £600)
Quattro exterior pack (deleting the red headlight inserts) - £1245: wheel upgrade, decals, bigger spoiler
Black grille pack - £475
Black contrast roof & shoulder line - £400
Technology pack - £1374: HDD satnav basically
BOSE - £690
Heated seats - £215
Folding mirrors - £120
(I think that was all) - Yes it was

£31,284 with the leather but without the sports seats
Base price on the road: £25,635

Yep, most of these options are cosmetic.  However, if I was seriously considering a new one of these, I would probably want to give it the look I wanted - like people do with MINIs.
Tim

Hold on.

You buy the top of the range, hot-hatch Audi S1 with all it's rallying connotations, etc and you still have to pay extra for SPORTS seats?  
Frank Bullitt

Sports seats are standard, but this is Audi so you can get different sports seats for even more.

My spec A1 looks quite different to that, silver with none of te external guff, comfort pack, heated seats, folding mirrors and BOSE.
simonp

Had a quick look at the S1 and the sports seats don't look that different to me. They are taking the piss with the amount of stuff on the options list, though. Heated seats, dimming mirror, MFSW etc all cost extra.
Bob Sacamano

Stuntman wrote:


Yep, most of these options are cosmetic.  However, if I was seriously considering a new one of these, I would probably want to give it the look I wanted - like people do with MINIs.


I think the MINI has more about it to justify this rather than what is, after all, an Audified Polo shopping trolley.
simonp

Talking of Polos, isn't there an equivalent R model coming? Could be worth hanging on for?
Eff One

I was quite taken with the S1 until I got to the bit in the Autocar review about both Fiesta and Focus ST being 'more rounded, precise and rewarding'. Not to mention more practical and - in the Fiesta's case - a whole Ka cheaper.
Racing Teatray

But the Fester and Fuckus both have horrible interiors. And when you are stuck for most of the time on normal roads unable to explore that nth degree of precision and reward, frankly the niceness of the interior is pretty important to the feel-good factor.

I thought the Autocar verdict was quite favourable.
simonp

Some might say they have horrible exteriors, too. (that'll be me!)
Eff One

Racing Teatray wrote:
But the Fester and Fuckus both have horrible interiors.


Have to agree to disagree there. I've spent time in both and they're perfectly pleasant places to be. No question the S1's is nicer, but it's not £9k nicer.
Stuntman

I test-sat in a cooking A1 in the Audi Cheltenham showroom this morning - and I have to say that I wasn't at all impressed.
Perhaps the S1's interior will be significantly better.

If not - my shortlist will be confined to cars in the next size up.
simonp

S3 it is then! The A3 interior that I had a test sit in seemed very nice.
PG

Stuntman wrote:
Perhaps the S1's interior will be significantly better.

If not - my shortlist will be confined to cars in the next size up.


I can't see the plastics, switches etc being any different. But the seats and wheel might make a difference?
Racing Teatray

My mother said the same thing. She had been thinking of getting a new A1 Sportback before settling on a replacement 3yr old A3 Sportback, and then got an A1 as a courtesy car the other day and decided she didn't like it. Felt it was too small inside and didn't feel quite as nice inside as her (old shape) A3.
Racing Teatray

On the subject of Golf Rs, yikes!!:

http://news.epicinter.net/custome...terally-disintegrates-at-speed/11
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
On the subject of Golf Rs, yikes!!:

http://news.epicinter.net/custome...terally-disintegrates-at-speed/11



Literally eh? As opposed to what?
Racing Teatray

Metaphysically?
PhilD

As they say in Airplane! don't fall apart on me now.

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