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Michael

Volvo XC70 D4

The local Volvo dealer kindly loaned me an XC70 to see if I liked it. Short answer, I do.

This was a D4 FWD SE with the new engine but I'll be getting a D5 AWD SE Lux so it was more to test the handling to see if I could love with it. Although very different to the Alpina it's quite nice to drive, rides well enough and corners pretty decently but with more roll than I'm used too. Doesn't feel unwieldy at all which is what I was concerned about and the dogs fit.

The order is going in, the Alpina is for sale so hopefully 8-10 weeks I should have my first ever new car!







Nice Guy Eddie

This is most odd. I went to a dinner party at a good mates last week and he showed me his new XC70 and then another mate posted on facebook a photo of his new XC70 at the dealers.

The car dos look bloody comfy and judging by the number of old Volvos still on the road they must be doing something right. I just don't think I'm ready for the Volvo estate just yet.
Big Blue

Oooh. New car.

The new car "thing" is something that must be tried at least once. I've had new cars and new bikes in the past and got that out of my system. W2.0 has not, however, so we'll see what next year brings.

I like the Ovlov estates. Something that says "it's actually an estate car for a reason" as opposed "this is a lifestyle choice designer thing with an alternative roofline" or whatever other bollocks...
Boxer6

That looks suitably vast for the Newfies!

Odd to have to describe a XC model as FWD ; seems wrong somehow, like RWD Subarus!!
Michael

Big Blue wrote:
Something that says "it's actually an estate car for a reason" as opposed "this is a lifestyle choice designer thing with an alternative roofline" or whatever other bollocks...


Obviously I wanted the lifestyle choice of an A6 Allroad but they're just not big enough. The space is there but it's not a very helpful shape with such a slopping rear.
Big Blue

I think the Volvo is better than the Audi
Racing Teatray

Michael wrote:
The space is there but it's not a very helpful shape with such a slopping rear.


Good typo in view of those canine slobberers...and it must be a brave dealer who allows you to borrow a car as a result!
Eff One

Re: Volvo XC70 D4

Michael wrote:
...and the dogs fit.


Only just :)
JohnC

I don't know that there is any vehicle available which could be described as being spacious for those two!
Martin

Sounds perfect for you right now, which is great and well done on going brand new!

That looks better than the XC70's I've seen, the colour really suits it  What are you going for?

I've had 5 brand new cars over the years.  You can't beat getting something specced exactly as you want and the feeling of it really being yours.
Michael

That colour is seashell and I'm not a fan. They do a standard silver Louisa describes as 'chatty' (fuck knows) and another electric silver in their Inscription range which I think I'll go for but I'm tempted by the black.
Other than that it'll be a D5 (220) SE Lux with sun protection glass, load compensating suspension, spare wheel and winter pack.
Bryan M

Where do you put the shopping when you are out with those two - looks like a good choice for your needs
Michael

Anything else has to go on the back seats. Problem with the D3 is the seats need folding to sufficiently accommodate the dogs so getting anything else in is a nightmare. At least now we'll be able to go places and off road!
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:
and it must be a brave dealer who allows you to borrow a car as a result!


He got a sale out of it, though...
Martin

Exactly.   It's the stupid dealer who refuses to lend you a car and thinks he/she can make a sale with a 5min accompanied trip around the block.
franki68

Allroad vehicles are incredibly cool ;)
Michael

Big Blue wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
and it must be a brave dealer who allows you to borrow a car as a result!


He got a sale out of it, though...


He didn't actually, they couldn't match drive the deal so we're going with them.
PG

Exciting!

How stupid of your dealer not to be prepared to match drive the deal.

I don't know why but that picture of the Newfies reminds me of those scientific papers where they discuss that animals grow to the size of their environment. So if you had a Newfie puppy and a Ford Focus as your car, would the puppy grow smaller than one which had access to an XC70?
Michael

They got 1500 away but in my book that's a lot of money to blow.
I was slightly unimpressed with them anyway as their initial offer, which sounded quite good was for a lower spec car at a higher cost. At the time they said that's the best they could do but then managed to better it when I put drive the deal on the table.
Martin

Yes, 1,500 is a big gap, having a slightly better relationship with your local dealer isn't worth that much.   My local dealer got down to about 400 of the DTD price, which I felt was worth it.  But only just.
Nice Guy Eddie

Its so much easier to do a deal now by taking the internet price into the dealer. When buying the BMW it must have saved 30 minutes by me being upfront and saying beat that and I'll sign up.
TreVoR

Was that Mill Stockton?  I've always found them fine to deal with but it was hard work getting them to get anywhere near the internet price.  We did manage eventually though.

The problem is, Mill is a relatively small company now as it split from Pendragon or whoever it was used to own it so it may not have the buying power.
Martin

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Its so much easier to do a deal now by taking the internet price into the dealer. When buying the BMW it must have saved 30 minutes by me being upfront and saying beat that and I'll sign up.


I agree and it makes the research easier because you can get to a shortlist knowing what they should all cost, not just based on a list price, which can open up different options within your budget.

It still took me a couple of days and a discussion with the dealer principle to get them down to the right price.
Michael

It was Mill but I'd probably get it serviced in York as it's as easy to get to. Only problem now is the 10 week wait.
BeN

That looks quite interesting.

We don't get these here. Shame.
JohnC

Michael wrote:
It was Mill but I'd probably get it serviced in York as it's as easy to get to. Only problem now is the 10 week wait.


I'd be interested to know how the DTD process goes and if it is just like a normal dealer purchase, once you get past the spec change and initial order.
Michael

I've never bought new so I've nothing to compare experiences too but I'll let you know how it goes. DTD seem a friendly bunch so far.
Racing Teatray

It can be a right pain dealing with salesmen and discounts. I encountered a particularly offputting sales manager at a west London BMW dealership recently who wanted to know why, if I lived in London, I had bought my BMW from Vines in Guildford. When I explained that this was because they were prepared to give the biggest discount he very nearly sneered at me and asked what discount I had got. When I told him it was about 10%, his response was along the lines of "well, didn't you do well" but with a deeply patronising tone that frankly made me want to kick him in the balls. I decided not to pursue the fact that I'm pretty sure you can get 15% off the new LCI M135i at present and 20% off a 3-series (25% if its a hybrid jobbie) and just walked off. Suffice to say I feel no inclination to ever buy a car there.
Martin

Thankfully I didn't have to deal with anyone like that, but it would have been a very short conversation!

DTD were really good to deal with and I was assured I would be talking directly to the supplying dealer when the deposit was paid, so I would have happily used them if the price difference had been larger.  It will be interesting to hear how it goes, worth knowing for next time.
JohnC

Taking this string a bit off subject but did any of you see the programme last night on a used car dealer who had a bit of an f off attitude to customers. After Marty Porter had done her bit, they at least paid lip service to customer service which most dealers can't seem to understand.

The programme had a good analogy with someone spending 5K on a 2nd hand watch being treated like royalty as opposed to someone spending the same money on a car and being treated like something you scrape off your shoe.
PhilD

Re: Volvo XC70 D4

Michael wrote:




Now that's a quality boot carpet!
PR

Great news - I like those and it sounds ideal for the purpose. My dad has previously bought cars through Broadspeed and DTD and it couldn't be easier - they simply broker the deal and you pay all money to the supplying dealer.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

JohnC wrote:
I don't know that there is any vehicle available which could be described as being spacious for those two!

There is, it's a T5 but  not a Volvo T5..........

Giant

Re: Volvo XC70 D4

Michael wrote:



This could be a shot straight out the XC70 brochure! Looks good, and clearly a good choice for the dogs.

As others have said, Volvo estates have a style that appears driven by function, which appeals greatly to me in a world of ostentation and 'image'. Have you decided on the colour, I like the black as you suggest.
Michael

I like that its not pretentious and is very purposeful. This is the colour and wheel combination currently specced. I think it suits it more than the black.
Andy C

Sounds very fit for purpose

The engine sounds great

What is the auto box like ?
Michael

Fit for purpose keeps cropping up, does t it? Damning with faint praise springs to mind. The gearbox is ok. They seem to have worked on the software since the XC90 I tried but it's not nearly as slick as a BMW - but then I'm not paying a BMW prices. In a way I'm probably acclimatised to a slight pause as my current car suffers horrific turbo lag lower down the Rev range.
Roadrunner

Very much fit for purpose and I like the XC / Allroad style estates. Good choice of colour, but I would make sure that mine had a sunroof and premium audio.
Martin

I think there's a bit too much of a contrast between the bodywork and plastic on the silver car, but it will be a lot easier to keep clean.
Michael

I think the contrast suits it. I know you're not a fan of the jacked up wagon formula though, Martin!
The black versions contrast too much with the bright work for my liking.


Martin

Oh yes, there is a lot of chrome, but I do prefer it in black.

Not a huge fan, no, but at least the XC70 is pretty honest and not just plastic cladding stuck on something to try and make it look like an SUV! I prefer it to the Allroad, never mind the rest.
cbeaks1

The silver looks good to me.

Just had the drive the deal email today. The Audi A7 and A8 savings are absurd.
Martin

The Audi deals are very good on paper, but you can pick up a 6 month old A8 for 7-8k less than the discounted price or just over 50% of list!
gonnabuildabuggy

cbeaks1 wrote:
The silver looks good to me.

Just had the drive the deal email today. The Audi A7 and A8 savings are absurd.


I really like that in black, looks good to my eyes with the chrome working well with it.

What's the deal on A7/A8's? It's a car that struggles to sell (surely all big stuff is similar, elsewhere someone got 30% off a 6GC I think).

I'd think XC90's must be about half price nowadays?

Rule of thumb is buy well and the rest is easy.
Martin

You can get over 20k off an A8, which is about 30%.  The A7 isn't quite as good at circa 20%, which is broadly the same as the (6 cylinder) 5 series, XF, A6 etc.
Michael

They're quoting nearly 26% off an A7 and 34.5% off an A8.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Martin wrote:
Oh yes, there is a lot of chrome, but I do prefer it in black.

But then you don't see the contrast between body colour and the plastic cladding.

Martin wrote:
..... at least the XC70 is pretty honest and not just plastic cladding stuck on something to try and make it look like an SUV!

..apart from the 2WD versions ???

Apparently it's now 7 years since I first test drove one



Has much changed?


simonp

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
beat that and I'll sign up.


Mine was the opposite; the salesman said sign up right now and we'll match your price.
Michael

Martin wrote:
Oh yes, there is a lot of chrome, but I do prefer it in black.


Just paid the deposit and changed the order to black. Volvo have just released the 2016 model year spec changes which ditches the chrome strip along the bootlid and seems to now be a darker chrome or painted grey elsewhere. It looks a load better.

Giant

That looks great! Black looks infinitely better than the various silvers IMO. What interior spec have you got, that beige interior chris posted looks nice, other than the steering wheel. The only thing that ages it is a lack of a big touch screen, which is a big plus IMO!
Martin

Black is the right choice and it does look better with less chrome.

The A7/A8 discounts have increased a fair bit in the last 6 months.   The A8 is a real bargain at that price.   It's a really good car if you're looking for something relaxing, comfortable and luxurious to waft around in.  It's a big step up from the A6/A7 in terms of quality inside and the way it drives thanks for the air suspension.
PhilD

It will look fine whatever you choose Martin! My only problem with buying this new is that it feels like an old design, and if I was ever fortunate enough to buy new a big part of that would be getting an up to date design. That only applies to the exterior, the interior is great.

EDIT: just noticed my Freudian slip!  
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Martin wrote:
Oh yes, there is a lot of chrome, but I do prefer it in black.

Me too - the black one looks great
Nice Guy Eddie

Going aganst the grain here but I would have stuck with Silver. Congrats on the new purchase.
Roadsterstu

Volvo estate. What's not to like?
PG

Michael wrote:
I think the contrast suits it. I know you're not a fan of the jacked up wagon formula though, Martin!
The black versions contrast too much with the bright work for my liking.


For me, with the exception of performance variants (RS6, XFR-S, AMG's) I find the jacked up version of most estates way more appealing than the mainstream models.

Agree with the change to black. What colour interior have you gone for?
PhilD

PG wrote:
Michael wrote:
I think the contrast suits it. I know you're not a fan of the jacked up wagon formula though, Martin!
The black versions contrast too much with the bright work for my liking.


For me, with the exception of performance variants (RS6, XFR-S, AMG's) I find the jacked up version of most estates way more appealing than the mainstream models.



I remember thinking it was shame when Subaru turned the Forrester into a soft-roader.
BeN

It looks fantastic in black, IMO.
PG

PhilD wrote:
I remember thinking it was shame when Subaru turned the Forrester into a soft-roader.


Indeed. The first Subaru I ever drove was a 1988ish vintage Forester when it was still a jacked up station wagon. Full time AWD, turbo boxer engine. It was a revelation really.

I suppose the Outback became that replacement model when the forester became an SUV?
Michael

Giant wrote:
That looks great! Black looks infinitely better than the various silvers IMO. What interior spec have you got, that beige interior chris posted looks nice, other than the steering wheel. The only thing that ages it is a lack of a big touch screen, which is a big plus IMO!


Gone for the off black interior. I toyed with the idea of hazel but it's a bit too light coloured. The dealer has now been in touch, confirmed the order and will be in touch about a build slot shortly.  
As its drive the deal I will have to get rid of the Alpina myself. I think I'll have to wait until after I've taken delivery of the Volvo to do this so we have some transport until then. If anybody is interested do let me know!
Sav

Congratulations on the XC70, your dogs look lovely!
Roadsterstu

There is something very honest and likeable about a proper big Volvo estate. I'm sure you will like it for what it just "does".
Michael

That's pretty much it. I found it a highly likeable car. It's a great piece of product design and lots of the features make you realise their UX department work hard. I have always liked Volvos and guess just needed a push to get one. It doesn't handle like a BMW, it's not got the image of an Audi but its honest, a bit rough around the edges and pretty cheap - like me!
Martin

Where is the supplying dealer and are you planning to have it delivered or go and collect it?

It's going to feel like a long 10 weeks now!
Frank Bullitt

Nice, prefer silver but the black looks good too - my friends is black and we call it The Hearse!
Michael

I'm going to pick it up. It's in the Midlands so not too far but I wanted the new car experience so I'm happy to travel. Not like a train ticket is going to cost 1500 so still a saving.
Martin

I'd do exactly the same, it is an important part of the experience.  It really annoyed me that I couldn't collect the 520d, but I got over it quite quickly!
Roadsterstu

Can you name the dealer?
Michael

I don't think that would be the right thing to do.

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