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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Volvo S90

Sleek ...



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...0-leaked-ahead-detroit-show-debut
Humphrey The Pug

Looks like a Jaguar at the front, Audi at the back.

Nice looking though.
Michael

Very nice. I'm sure the estate will be nicer still.
Chip Butty

Fabulous looking car and if the new XC90 is anything to go by, the interior will be superb.

However - if the new XC90 is anything to go by, it will also commit the cardinal sin of neither driving or riding to the required standard.

Also - Volvo continue to undermine their premium aspirations with their po faced approach to engine size and what constitutes an acceptable number of cylinders.

The time is right for a world class 5 cylinder engine family and Volvo have just stuck two fingers up at it.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Chip Butty wrote:
The time is right for a world class 5 cylinder engine family ...

Do you know something we don't? If JLR are spinning a 3-litre straight-six off the Ingenium family, what about the obvious engine to fill the gap?
Martin

Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Martin wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)

I think it's more the benefits over a four-cylinder
Martin

Ahh, OK.  That I understand, but I don't get why you'd need 4, 5 and 6 cylinder options, unless a 4 & 5 cylinder modular engine is much cheaper to develop/produce than a 4 & 6.
PG

I need to see that in the flesh. Side on it looks very sleek. But I'm not sure about the front and rear.

With tax in China being so high on anything over 2 litres, I can understand their 4 cylinder only approach might seem the right one to the Chinese parent company signing off the cheques. But all cars need halo models. Especially in the US where a 4 cylinder large car = a cheap car.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Looks like a Jaguar at the front...

My first thought too; apears to be quite an attractive design
PhilD

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Looks like a Jaguar at the front, Audi at the back.

Nice looking though.


BMW in the middle.
franki68

Chip Butty wrote:
Fabulous looking car and if the new XC90 is anything to go by, the interior will be superb.

However - if the new XC90 is anything to go by, it will also commit the cardinal sin of neither driving or riding to the required standard.

Also - Volvo continue to undermine their premium aspirations with their po faced approach to engine size and what constitutes an acceptable number of cylinders.

The time is right for a world class 5 cylinder engine family and Volvo have just stuck two fingers up at it.


this is the new xc90 you are talking about ? The one that wins most of the group tests and auto epxress just named as the best SUV ?
BeN

Nice. I like that a lot
Martin

Just looked at the pictures and I like most of it apart from the rear end, specifically the lights which look awful.
Michael

I'd agree with that, the rear is horrible but should be fixed with the estate. The interior is lovely.
Martin

Yes, the estate could well be a really good looking car.  I like the XC90.
Chip Butty

Quote:
this is the new xc90 you are talking about ? The one that wins most of the group tests and auto epxress just named as the best SUV ?


Yeah - that's the one

The one that everyone says is not as pleasant to drive as it's competitors and has inferior powetrains, but it scores well because it's very practical and lovely to sit in.

Laudable prioritisation of attributes for a family bus - but not for an expensive upmarket saloon. I guess that's why the last XC90 was a hit, but the S80 wasn't

Auto Express - lol

Quote:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)


The general trend within the industry for downsizing is not just in capacity, but in the number of cylinders to reduce frictional losses.

With modular designs coming to the fore, V6s will eventually die out and even a compact in line 6 can be a pig to package in transverse applications. Of which there will be more and more premium variants as vehicles also downsize and the premium marques do their level best to evaporate their brand cachet (sorry - broaden their product portfolio)

Logically, a 5 cylinder unit is the next step in downsizing and will allow a chargeable differentiator from a 4 cylinder unit.

Logic aside - I'd rather have a good turbo five than a turbo six.
Martin

Quote:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)


The general trend within the industry for downsizing is not just in capacity, but in the number of cylinders to reduce frictional losses.

With modular designs coming to the fore, V6s will eventually die out and even a compact in line 6 can be a pig to package in transverse applications. Of which there will be more and more premium variants as vehicles also downsize and the premium marques do their level best to evaporate their brand cachet (sorry - broaden their product portfolio)

Logically, a 5 cylinder unit is the next step in downsizing and will allow a chargeable differentiator from a 4 cylinder unit.

Logic aside - I'd rather have a good turbo five than a turbo six.[/quote]

Makes sense, thanks.
Grampa

Very smart - a nice way to look back at Volvo's past without looking retro.

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Looks like a Jaguar at the front, Audi at the back.


Or considering Volvos of the past, is it more a case of a Jaguar front and an Audi rear looking like a Volvo?
Racing Teatray

Boomerangs worked on a Maserati. They don't on that because the rear numberplate is in entirely the wrong place.
Frank Bullitt

The back is a mess, side on it looks tidy in a Mazda 6 sort of way.

5-pot would be nice and yes, on a FWD car the packaging benefits over a straight 6 will make the difference.

Dunno why Volvo didn't focus on a range of engines that of 1.2 3-pot, 1.6 4-pot and 2.0 5-pot to keep one of their usp's intact.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Dunno why Volvo didn't focus on a range of engines that of 1.2 3-pot, 1.6 4-pot and 2.0 5-pot to keep one of their usp's intact.

They've rejected 5 or more cylinders on "eco-friendly" grounds, stating something along the lines of anyone who wants more than 4 cylinders isn't the sort of customer that we want, as an environmentally conscious company.

By concentrating on just one engine, all the car's chassis architecture can be the same across a versatile platform... exhaust system is always going to be in the same place, engine mounts ditto etc etc (it's all about cost-savings in design and production). So they offer one engine and one capacity but in many states of tune, and running on different fuels (petrol and diesel at the moment).
However a 3-cylinder 1.5 version of the 2-litre 4 has not been wholly ruled out, apparently.......
TreVoR

I really don't like the vertical front and rear.  I don't like the XC90 for the same reason.
Roadrunner

Other than the dull engine it gets the thumbs up from me.
franki68

Chip Butty wrote:
Quote:
this is the new xc90 you are talking about ? The one that wins most of the group tests and auto epxress just named as the best SUV ?


Yeah - that's the one

The one that everyone says is not as pleasant to drive as it's competitors and has inferior powetrains, but it scores well because it's very practical and lovely to sit in.

Laudable prioritisation of attributes for a family bus - but not for an expensive upmarket saloon. I guess that's why the last XC90 was a hit, but the S80 wasn't

Auto Express - lol

Quote:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)


The general trend within the industry for downsizing is not just in capacity, but in the number of cylinders to reduce frictional losses.

With modular designs coming to the fore, V6s will eventually die out and even a compact in line 6 can be a pig to package in transverse applications. Of which there will be more and more premium variants as vehicles also downsize and the premium marques do their level best to evaporate their brand cachet (sorry - broaden their product portfolio)

Logically, a 5 cylinder unit is the next step in downsizing and will allow a chargeable differentiator from a 4 cylinder unit.

Logic aside - I'd rather have a good turbo five than a turbo six.


Not been in one so I was merely pointing out the press like it.
I know what you are saying ,the xc90 I had was a dull drive,but surely people who buy a suv have no interest in driving ? The previous xc90 was dull but it didn't matter ,and at least its not a Range Rover .
Big Blue

Interior looks superb.

The less said about the exterior the better
PG

I think in family orientated vehicle and SUV's (XC90, Discovery etc) a dull drive / dull engine isn't an issue. But I wonder if that logic works on an exec saloon? Yes, some very high percentage of BMW 5'w sold are 4 pot engined, but the 6 cylinders variants are the halo models that people can aspire to. Remove that halo / aspirational level and then what? If all your managers drive 4 pot 2.0 Volvo's, what does the boss drive?
Michael

I'm not so sure a lot of people, and perhaps a lot of Volvo drivers even care. The hybrid engine at the top of the lineup has more cache these days to liberal West Coast middle class that Volvo target than a V8.
PG

Frank Bullitt wrote:
The back is a mess


Now I've had a longer look at the photos I have to agree with you. In fact externally it reminds me more and more of a large US-style sedan, rather than a sporty European exec saloon.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Chip Butty wrote:
With modular designs coming to the fore, V6s will eventually die out and even a compact in line 6 can be a pig to package in transverse applications.

This. JLR could use a five for upmarket versions of the Evoque and Disco Sport, whereas a six probably wouldn't fit. Could be useful if they ever made a smaller-than-XE car, too.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is the time right for a 5 cylinder engine?  What are the benefits over a 6 cylinder?  (leaving aside sound quality as that's a subjective thing)


Because there is just something about a 5.  

I guess Volvo have just gone with the flexible 4 cylinder route that will provide petrol and diesel in various power outputs, covering their entire range, at an acceptable level of investment. They must have some fairly hefty development cost to recoup now, as within about 3 years the XC90 will be the oldest model in the range. They can only do so much.

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