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cbeaks1

Volvo question on behalf of a friend

I know very little about current Volvo's, and nothing at all about their second hand values etc. A friend has asked me for advice as per the text below. Can anyone offer an opinion, informed or otherwise?

Quick car question:

1. Aside from fairly bland looks am close to buying a 6 month old Volvo S80 (4.3k miles). Too tight to go e class/5 series/a6 with everyone else on our road. Volvo is actually the interesting choice.

It's a Luxe. Multitronic. D4 engine. Lots of options (winter pack, driver assist etc) means brand new list price would be 38.3 k and I have got them down to 20k. Seems pretty good deal to me. Am I missing something obvious/buying a dud? (I know the s90 is out in a few months hence the pretty fat discount ). Will they go even lower (have pushed hard already) ?
Michael

Mine listed at £42k or thereabouts and I got £11k off on a new car. That deal sounds about right, the values drop like stones but seem to hold up better for the XC models and they seem less difficult to sell on with high miles.
The drive is dull but the D4 engine is impressively efficient, pretty nippy and the gear box isn't as bad as that in the D5. Slotting it to the left engages sport mode which makes it a bit more eager but rarely the point in a Volvo. They're very likeable cars.
Frank Bullitt

The D4 (2.0 4-pot, referred to as the AEA unit) has a known issue that Volvo have been unable to resolve - they eat EGR Valves and the coolers, typically in less than 10k; it's something to do with the layout of the pipe work and the EGR valve being continuously in-use to comply with EU6 regulations meaning there is carry over and the EGR clogs up; Volvo change them no questions asked but they don't yet have a proper fix - 51 pages to wade through here;

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=221555

The S80 is a great idea, but the D4 does have issues - unlike the D3 on the same block.
cbeaks1

Excellent - thank you both
Roadsterstu

Provided Volvo cover it and it is driven on decent journeys that don't harm the EGR gubbins (i.e. not constant short trips) unnecessarily, and he likes it, it should be a nice enough car if that's his thing. Is the D4 the Ford lump?
Frank Bullitt

Roadsterstu wrote:
Provided Volvo cover it and it is driven on decent journeys that don't harm the EGR gubbins (i.e. not constant short trips) unnecessarily, and he likes it, it should be a nice enough car if that's his thing. Is the D4 the Ford lump?


No, it's the new modular AEA unit - 1969cc block shared by both petrol and diesel, all 'T' and 'D' models are migrating to it, the D4 has two turbo's and a different installation to the D2 and D3 which don't seem to be affected, not sure on how new the D5 is on the AEA to see if it affects them too. Seems if you want to go diesel, the safest option is the old 5-pot 2.0 unit for the time being.
Blarno

EGR blanking is a great idea.
Grampa

Re: Volvo question on behalf of a friend

cbeaks1 wrote:
1. Aside from fairly bland looks am close to buying a 6 month old Volvo S80 (4.3k miles). Too tight to go e class/5 series/a6 with everyone else on our road. Volvo is actually the interesting choice.


Out of that list, I would say the best looking as well.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Provided Volvo cover it and it is driven on decent journeys that don't harm the EGR gubbins (i.e. not constant short trips) unnecessarily, and he likes it, it should be a nice enough car if that's his thing. Is the D4 the Ford lump?


No, it's the new modular AEA unit - 1969cc block shared by both petrol and diesel, all 'T' and 'D' models are migrating to it, the D4 has two turbo's and a different installation to the D2 and D3 which don't seem to be affected, not sure on how new the D5 is on the AEA to see if it affects them too. Seems if you want to go diesel, the safest option is the old 5-pot 2.0 unit for the time being.


I'm always impressed by your knowledge on these things!!
Frank Bullitt

It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!
PG

How many miles a year does he do? Petrol could offer an even bigger discount if he does not mind the added fuel cost. Although I expect nearly new petrol S80's are rather rare.

In fact I though I'd just check Autotrader and there appears to be not one. So an over-teched diesel EGR knackering S80 it is then?
Roadsterstu

But its under warranty so there's a safety net.
cbeaks1

Fairly low mileage but as you say, there are no petrols. I think the dealer is going to extend the warranty to the original 3 years so egr issues would be annoying rather than costly.
Roadrunner

Do they still do the V8 version?
Frank Bullitt

Roadrunner wrote:
Do they still do the V8 version?


Long gone!
gooner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
Do they still do the V8 version?


Long gone!


There are a couple on AT. I think they quietly disappeared from the price list a few years back.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!


Really?
Big Blue

How is an engine design that reduces the lifespan of a part to 10k miles even remotely acceptable in 2016?
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!


Really?


Tell us more! New or used? Petrol or diesel? Trim level? And what is that centre console keypad all about?
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!


Really?


Tell us more! New or used? Petrol or diesel? Trim level? And what is that centre console keypad all about?


Used D3 (5-pot) geartronic (auto) SE or SE Lux.

I've no idea what the keypad is all about, it looks nice but no idea what the point is. Depends on employment, the thrill is in the search!
Michael

Assuming it's the same as on mine, the keypad is just that. A keypad. You can use it to dial numbers, type in addresses and moving around the satnav map in addition to various other shortcuts.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
Assuming it's the same as on mine, the keypad is just that. A keypad. You can use it to dial numbers, type in addresses and moving around the satnav map in addition to various other shortcuts.


Probably as it's been a design element of Volvos for a while now. It was only recently that it jumped out at me as 'old tech' a bit like a 1990s mobile phone suckered to a dashboard.  Typing in addresses makes more sense (to me - I guess if you make calls in the car the numbers would be useful)
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!


Really?


Tell us more! New or used? Petrol or diesel? Trim level? And what is that centre console keypad all about?


Used D3 (5-pot) geartronic (auto) SE or SE Lux.

I've no idea what the keypad is all about, it looks nice but no idea what the point is. Depends on employment, the thrill is in the search!


so a bit like this. Very nice! Is SE Lux top spec or is that the R-Design stuff?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p
boc70

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
It's pure chance really, I'm thinking of getting a V40 so happen to have been anoraking on Volvo's!


Really?


Tell us more! New or used? Petrol or diesel? Trim level? And what is that centre console keypad all about?


Used D3 (5-pot) geartronic (auto) SE or SE Lux.

I've no idea what the keypad is all about, it looks nice but no idea what the point is. Depends on employment, the thrill is in the search!


so a bit like this. Very nice! Is SE Lux top spec or is that the R-Design stuff?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...rch-target=usedcars&logcode=p


R-Design is the sporty addenda (fake diffuser, different bumpers, larger alloys, black headlining) and a kind of equivalent to their SE spec (part leather and a TFT dial display, but no cruise), although there is a R-Design Lux that is equivalent-ish to SE Lux (full leather, bendy xenons).  So the SE / SE Lux models are shadowed by an R-Design equivalent, for new ones at least.

We've been half-looking for a nearly-new T3 in some flavour (SE Lux with blond leather would be nice) but any Volvo petrols are thin on the ground these days
Frank Bullitt

Yes the R-Design misses cruise, it also misses the comfort pack (lumbar adjustment on both seats and passengers height adjustment) and the auto wipers but has the R-Design interior and exterior which looks very tidy. The R-Design Lux adds all this back in and the stuff the Lux has too but they are very rare used.

The one in the link has a few options including the TFT display which is standard on R-Design models and does look smart.
PhilD

Have you test driven one FB? Watched a few reviews (all poor quality) and the non R ride gets criticised in one.
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
Have you test driven one FB? Watched a few reviews (all poor quality) and the non R ride gets criticised in one.


Not yet, but I won't really pay much attention to them - if I did then I'd have never even tried most of the cars we've owned!
gooner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Have you test driven one FB? Watched a few reviews (all poor quality) and the non R ride gets criticised in one.


Not yet, but I won't really pay much attention to them - if I did then I'd have never even tried most of the cars we've owned!


We've got a few on our fleet (all are 1.6 D2s in base spec) and they're perfectly nice to drive with enough equipment to keep you happy. I'd have liked to have tried the upgraded digital dashboard and it seems odd to have a large central screen with no sat nav though that's probably because my last three cars have all had it enabled. The 1.6 is the same as in the Focus with 113bhp and about 180 torques and it pulls the car quite nicely and is much smoother than the industrial 2.0 in my Vauxhall. I'd be tempted to try the base petrol T2 or T3 as its most likely perky enough whilst being reasonably economical. I don't see the benefit of having the heavier 5 cylinder diesel in the nose.
Frank Bullitt

The D2 is now a 2.0 AEA unit, having replaced the PSA unit that's also in our DS4 - it has 120bhp as opposed to the D3 which has 150bhp. Same goes for the T2 and T3 which are 120 and 150bhp versions of the 2.0 AEA petrol. New, the T2 SE and R-Design seem to be sweet spots in the range as the T3 is £2k greater.

The 5 cylinder is all about the noise!
PhilD

Does a 5 pot diesel sound any good?
Martin

Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!
PhilD

Martin wrote:
Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!


why not practical? 5 seats, 5 doors, decent boot, folding seats (inc the passenger one) lots of cubbies etc

Edit: I realise you said not the most practical rather than not practical but you know that I mean.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!


Yes it is - having had a good look around one I was surprised at how small it is inside, especially in the back. I like Volvo's and have always had a soft spot for smaller models in the range too but it struck me that we probably need a bigger car next, FB junior isn't getting any smaller of course and in reality a DS5 makes more sense (and is very, very appealing).  The smart, A2 and DS5 combo is still the most realistic.
Martin

I didn't mean it wasn't practical, just not as spacious as something like a Golf or Focus hatch, based on a fairly quick sit and look around one.  It was particularly small in the back iirc

I also remember noting that the boot was relatively small (330 litres?) in the Autocar road test of the new Clubman, which isn't exactly massive at 360 litres and itself slightly less than a Golf Hatch.
PhilD

V40 inspired by the C30, in turn inspired by the P1800. It's definitely a looker. As is the DS5 mind.
Martin

I think a DS5 would be ideal for you.   Are you thinking about a current smart?  The previous one made some sense if you were happy with the way it drove, but I don't get the new one at all, maybe because I've not looked at one?
gooner

Martin wrote:
I didn't mean it wasn't practical, just not as spacious as something like a Golf or Focus hatch, based on a fairly quick sit and look around one.  It was particularly small in the back iirc

I also remember noting that the boot was relatively small (330 litres?) in the Autocar road test of the new Clubman, which isn't exactly massive at 360 litres and itself slightly less than a Golf Hatch.


The V40 appealed to me when it was first shown but when I went to look at one, one look at the boot ruled it out. The current Focus is even worse at 316ltrs but then they make an estate version and also offer the C Max if you need more passenger space. I thought the V40 was about par for the class in the rear seats, but may be too small for older children or adults.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
I think a DS5 would be ideal for you.   Are you thinking about a current smart?  The previous one made some sense if you were happy with the way it drove, but I don't get the new one at all, maybe because I've not looked at one?


Not a new one, there's lots to like about it but it doesn't really float our boat - in an ideal world the mk1 '450' passion we owned was perfect and we would happily have another but in reality the mk2 '451' passion is more realistic, it wouldn't be especially expensive - about £4.5k on a 4 year old car with under 30k on the clock; Mrs FB drove one a short while back and instantly fell in love with it again.  We will likely keep the DS4 for a bit then swap it for a DS5 2.0HDi for me to use, but the facelifted 'non-Citroen' version.

Phil, you missed out the lovely 480, a car which I feel much happier to reference than a 440 or 460!

The boot doesn't especially bother me as I can put the roof box on it, but the rear space was surprisingly low on the V40, it's smaller than the DS4.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Martin wrote:
Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!


Yes it is - having had a good look around one I was surprised at how small it is inside, especially in the back. I like Volvo's and have always had a soft spot for smaller models in the range too but it struck me that we probably need a bigger car next, FB junior isn't getting any smaller of course and in reality a DS5 makes more sense (and is very, very appealing).  The smart, A2 and DS5 combo is still the most realistic.


V60 then? Similar look, more room. Certainly a fine looking estate. New neighbours arrived just before Xmas, they have a V40 in that bright blue (Rebel Blue? Volvo Racing Green?!). A mate has a D4 R-Design, which I went in once. It was a nice thing. Never driven one though.
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Martin wrote:
Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!


Yes it is - having had a good look around one I was surprised at how small it is inside, especially in the back. I like Volvo's and have always had a soft spot for smaller models in the range too but it struck me that we probably need a bigger car next, FB junior isn't getting any smaller of course and in reality a DS5 makes more sense (and is very, very appealing).  The smart, A2 and DS5 combo is still the most realistic.


V60 then? Similar look, more room. Certainly a fine looking estate. New neighbours arrived just before Xmas, they have a V40 in that bright blue (Rebel Blue? Volvo Racing Green?!). A mate has a D4 R-Design, which I went in once. It was a nice thing. Never driven one though.


By similar you mean identical?!
gooner

Apparently they're offering good lease deals on new V60s at the moment. Our fleet manager is getting some very favourable rates quoted. Presumably his is in advance of the new model being introduced later in the year. Ergo you may well find dealers have some good offers for private buyers,
Bob Sacamano

V60 was my first thought too - if the V40 is too small. I've always liked the V60 and would definitely consider one.
PhilD

It is amusing sometimes when people bemoan the lack of room in a car when the obvious answer is to get a bigger car. Car mags/reviewers are often guilty of this and it's got to be one of the reasons cars have gradually got bigger over the year as manufacturers react to customer feedback or try to get one over on the opposition.

However within a defined category and car length/wheelbase i think it's fair to criticise if another car offers more room. As the basic design/silhouette of Focus/Astra/A-Class/V40 are all the same l'd be surprised if they were widely different in terms or passenger/luggage pace. The Golf is a different design and much roomier.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've always liked the V60 and would definitely consider one.


V60 Polestar. Yes please.
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I've always liked the V60 and would definitely consider one.


V60 Polestar. Yes please.


+1 to that.
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Martin wrote:
Is this a potential option to semi-retire the A2?  I like the V40, it's not the most practical hatch, but at least it's a bit different.

Citroen should stop bothering in the UK if you buy a Volvo!


Yes it is - having had a good look around one I was surprised at how small it is inside, especially in the back. I like Volvo's and have always had a soft spot for smaller models in the range too but it struck me that we probably need a bigger car next, FB junior isn't getting any smaller of course and in reality a DS5 makes more sense (and is very, very appealing).  The smart, A2 and DS5 combo is still the most realistic.


V60 then? Similar look, more room. Certainly a fine looking estate. New neighbours arrived just before Xmas, they have a V40 in that bright blue (Rebel Blue? Volvo Racing Green?!). A mate has a D4 R-Design, which I went in once. It was a nice thing. Never driven one though.


By similar you mean identical?!


No. One is a hatch, one is an estate.
PhilD

Doh, of course, how could I be so stupid. Completely different.  



PG

Whilst I think Volvo are getting a lot right (well, except for the universal 4-potness of their range), my biggest beef with them is the instrument pod. It just does not seem to work. In the V40 I drove it looked cheap, nasty and very "fashion for fashion's sake". What's wrong with some nice round dials?
Roadsterstu

What's wrong with nice round dials? Ask MINI.

I will always favour dials over graphics on a screen but it's the way things are going. For the smartphone generation innit. He says. Feeling a bit old.
Michael

Did the version you drove have the TFT instruments? This is slightly better but still not as nice as a BMW display.
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
It is amusing sometimes when people bemoan the lack of room in a car when the obvious answer is to get a bigger car. Car mags/reviewers are often guilty of this and it's got to be one of the reasons cars have gradually got bigger over the year as manufacturers react to customer feedback or try to get one over on the opposition.

However within a defined category and car length/wheelbase i think it's fair to criticise if another car offers more room. As the basic design/silhouette of Focus/Astra/A-Class/V40 are all the same l'd be surprised if they were widely different in terms or passenger/luggage pace. The Golf is a different design and much roomier.


It felt much smaller than the DS4, which is big enough for us, but a larger car next time is more likely.

The V60 is nice enough, but they are often 1.6 D2 models which isn't my idea of fun. New there are offers but still too expensive for me to justify.

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