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Michael

Volkswagen ID Buzz concept

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...ncept-revealed-detroit-motor-show

PhilD

A modern version of the classic VW camper is a great idea, I'm surprised they haven't done it before.
Stuntman

Just build it this time please VW.  Fantastic looking thing.  The Microbus concept of a few years ago looked lovely too.
Bob Sacamano

I'm sure I've seen this before - do VW just roll this concept out every couple of years?
Giant

This should surely be VWs absolute priority car, a halo-providing electric car with retro styling referencing an old model adored by many. Hipsters and the press would go absolutely mad for it and dieselgate would be forgiven and forgotten.

I'm not convinced VW are actually do much more than showing autonomous electric concepts to alleviate bad press at the moment though, time will tell, we have seen numerous Multibus concepts before.
Frank Bullitt

Let's go round again, maybe we'll turn back the hands of time'

Seen it before, liked it then as like it now - will they build it? Not a chance.
Bob Sacamano

I would imagine, realistically, there's no business case to be made for it.
JohnC

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I would imagine, realistically, there's no business case to be made for it.


When it looks as good as that I think every business case can be made for it. It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice and would fill the needs of countless other niches. Do you have the balls VW?
Tim

I reckon if they had the guts to make it we'd soon be inundated by them.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

JohnC wrote:
It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice ...

This
Bob Sacamano

JohnC wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I would imagine, realistically, there's no business case to be made for it.


When it looks as good as that I think every business case can be made for it. It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice and would fill the needs of countless other niches. Do you have the balls VW?


Do you have the "yummy mummy" research to back that up?   I seriously doubt most of them would want to be seen driving a bus over something more stylish. Just because some of us have fond memories/fantasies over VW buses it doesn't mean that the general populace are ready to embrace them.

The only way I could see this working is part of a public transport initiative where you had fleets of driverless microbuses that you could hail via an app on your phone. The app would then aggregate the passengers and their desired destinations so that people going in a common direction were picked up at the roadside and dropped off along the way.
Michael

I'd have one. It'd make a great dog car.
PG

Looking at the interior photos, it's more like VW's take on the Espace rather than the microbus. In which case maybe there can be a business case for it.

I don't think it will be a yummy mummy vehicle though. It'll be something hipsters buy to look cool in once they have kids.
Michael

Or dogs.
Grampa

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I'm sure I've seen this before - do VW just roll this concept out every couple of years?


Wasn't the first new bus concept about the time of the new (now old) Beetle?

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I would imagine, realistically, there's no business case to be made for it.


Judging by the number of T5's they sell as family vehicles surely they could.
Frank Bullitt

PG wrote:
I don't think it will be a yummy mummy vehicle though. It'll be something hipsters buy to look cool in once they have kids.


One and the same thing in the main
Blarno

Jesus wept.

Not only do they foist the terrible ode to the worst car ever invented by a dictator upon us, they throw another retro-kitsch shitwagon at us.

The future is the past at VW, clearly. Laurels well and truly rested upon.
PhilD

Giant wrote:
This should surely be VWs absolute priority car, a halo-providing electric car with retro styling referencing an old model adored by many. Hipsters and the press would go absolutely mad for it .


Electric everything (power, steering etc) is perfect for this type of vehicle as it frees up interior space and adaptability. And if it is  used for camping guess what campsites have a lot of? Sockets!

And I agree, Hipsters, early adopters, tree huggers etc will love them.

As will I (or maybe I'm one of the above?   )
JohnC

We have friends who are both doctors. Until last week, he drove an old Yaris and she drove a Q5. She is very much in the yummy mummy brigade.

He has now leased a Nissan Leaf (function over form is his moto) and had a hybrid Q5 been available, she would have changed for one of them. She is now looking at the Mitsubishi PHEV or possibly the hybrid X5 but she thinks it is a bit vulgar. She would jump at the chance to drive something Eco and trendy like the VW.

I get the feeling that the Eco bandwagon is definitely getting up a head of steam and whoever brings reasonably priced and interesting cars to the party could find themselves with a massive success.
PG

JohnC wrote:
I get the feeling that the Eco bandwagon is definitely getting up a head of steam and whoever brings reasonably priced and interesting cars to the party could find themselves with a massive success.


Indeed and with the new road tax rules from April 2017, anybody making an interesting zero emission sub 40k car could get killed in the rush of customers in my view.
Bob Sacamano

Grampa wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I'm sure I've seen this before - do VW just roll this concept out every couple of years?


Wasn't the first new bus concept about the time of the new (now old) Beetle?

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I would imagine, realistically, there's no business case to be made for it.


Judging by the number of T5's they sell as family vehicles surely they could.


Remember, someone said there was a business case for the Chrysler PT Cruiser.
Big Blue

I'd have one like a shot but looking at my car and how many of those they sell I may be a bad barometer for the rest of the market.

I'm also fucked off with VW and their concept vans that never culminate in anything other than some new paint schemes. I guess what that really means is that they do some market research when they put these things out on show and the feedback is that the colours were great and some of the features were awesome but not enough punters are frothing at the mouth to warrant full tooling - i.e. Bob is probably right.

If they'd knocked out something like this when there was actually a van-like MPV market for non-minicab users they'd probably have sold a enough to warrant production. Instead we got the Sharan and even then the market was so weak that it was a platform share with Ford.
gooner

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
JohnC wrote:
It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice ...

This


Really? I can't imagine the suburban school run mums giving up the safety net provided by their SUVs off road capability. They'll never be able to tackle a green lane in that.
JohnC

I have a lot of clients who drive the ubiquitous RR/Cayenne/Touareg/Q5/Q7 and over the past year I have seen a massive increase in those asking about Hybrid/Electric vehicles. There are two camps both heading to the same destination: one lot appear to feel a moral obligation and those who run them through their businesses are tired of the tax shafting they get.

You just need to see how popular the Mitsubishi PHEV is to see that there is a market and someone who is brave could find themselves with the next big thing. The winners are the ones who get in ahead of the curve.
Michael

JohnC wrote:
You just need to see how popular the Mitsubishi PHEV is to see that there is a market and someone who is brave could find themselves with the next big thing. The winners are the ones who get in ahead of the curve.


This is quite true. It's the only reason to buy a PHEV, first one at least, which sold disproportionately well against its looks.
Grampa

gooner wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
JohnC wrote:
It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice ...

This


Really? I can't imagine the suburban school run mums giving up the safety net provided by their SUVs off road capability. They'll never be able to tackle a green lane in that.


Are we the only place where they've swapped to T5's then?
Bob Sacamano

Grampa wrote:
gooner wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
JohnC wrote:
It could become the new Yummy Mummy vehicle of choice ...

This


Really? I can't imagine the suburban school run mums giving up the safety net provided by their SUVs off road capability. They'll never be able to tackle a green lane in that.


Are we the only place where they've swapped to T5's then?


Possibly, I've never seen one for ages.
Michael

Grampa wrote:
Are we the only place where they've swapped to T5's then?


They're massively popular around here - especially with mountain biker types. There are a few Californias around, too. SUV is still king, though.
Frank Bullitt

Michael wrote:
Grampa wrote:
Are we the only place where they've swapped to T5's then?


They're massively popular around here - especially with mountain biker types. There are a few Californias around, too. SUV is still king, though.


And here.
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
PG wrote:
I don't think it will be a yummy mummy vehicle though. It'll be something hipsters buy to look cool in once they have kids.


One and the same thing in the main


My view too.

It's about fashion. None of them were driving Land Cruisers when they were the only 4x4 around.

The Yummy mummy will have a list containing stuff as different as a Mini, Q3, Q5, Evoque, Beetle, etc.

For most of the women I know the only real benefit the see of the SUV is the high up seating position, none of them have a desire to drive onto grass, let alone go cross country.

The other factor for some is 7 seats without the negative image of a people carrier although S Max's get round that OK.

The VW would cover both those bases I'd think.

Friends fit the bill nicely (both Doctors), swapped XC90 and ageing A3 for a T5 and Mini Cooper S Clubman (old model) 12 months ago.

Plenty of converted T5's round here too and I know many would prefer a more "usable" version but California's are just too expensive.

EDIT - re ahead of the curve, the Zafira sold way better than it deserved to in hindsight, simply for being the first mid size people carrier with 7 seats. Those were relatively popular amongst people who'd never consider a Vauxhall normally when they were new and fashionable.
franki68

its lightyears ahead of everything else.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

It would be a competitor for the Tesla X, and in this case, looking like a box would be an advantage, as the Model X is a bit blobby, like a retired professional footballer who's put on a shocking amount of weight. And like the Teslas, it'll sell like the proverbial cakes in places with a good charging infrastructure, like California and the Netherlands. And everywhere, in five years or so.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlCouAf3Xh0
Interesting (?) interviews with some senior VW staff. Designed as an electric-only vehicle, this version of the microbus theme could just make it into production.....
Tim

If they had the nerve to build it then they'd sell loads because, somehow, the whole VW bus thing has remained as a trendy option for decades, even though the current one looks no better than any of the other vans on the market.

Add to that the 'new and happening' electric element dragging in a few young-minded old-age hippy types and the factory would be running 24/7.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

If they leave it too much longer, those who were hippies when the original 'Bus was around will be dead, and there won't be anybody around to make the link to the old T1

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