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PhilD

Veyron v F1

987bhp v 627bhp
1880kg v 1138kg
530bhp per tonne v 550bhp per tonne
2.5 0-60 v 3.2 0-60
253mph v 240

Standing mile drag race.

Who wins??

TopGear tells us... or does it?
Giant

Those power, weight and power per weight numbers don't correlate.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The Veyron should be 1880 kg, I think.
Nice Guy Eddie

Ah. I took a double take on that and was about to be seriously impressed, as it is its another reason why the Veyron does nothing for me.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

For me the appeal of the Veyron goes beyond figures, impressive as they are. What I love about it is that it was developed without compromise, which makes it a beautiful and desirable object. Same is true of the McLaren, to an extent, but I suspect the Bugatti is the only one you could drive all year round, year on year, without needing constant attention.
Eff One

For me the appeal of the Veyron is zero. Impressive, undoubtedly, but not remotely desirable. Crass, pig-ugly and bloated, in fact.

However, I suspect it would win a standing mile drag race against an F1 by virtue of brute force and traction.
Racing

F1 has really never done anything for me.
Humphrey The Pug

The F1 is on my wanted list if I were to ever win the Euro millions, ever since I used to see them regularly testing on the A3 and Guildford to Woking road back when they were in production I have loved them.

The Veyron, I would love to see one but have no desire for one.
Rodge

Standing mile drag race, the Veyron would win it.
I suspect if both were to be taken around a track, the F1 would be alot closer and might even sneak it.

The Veyron is an amazingly engineered car, incredibly fast and capable.
The F1 has soul and was an instant classic when it was built. They've been raced and were the pinnacle of technology and did it old school, with no intercoolers/super/turbo chargers and also turned a profit for McLaren.

If I was offered a choice between them, I'd still pick the F1.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Rodge wrote:
... and also turned a profit for McLaren.

That's not what I heard.
Nice Guy Eddie

I think they made a profit only because Merc paid them a truck load of money to stop building the car so that it didn't conflict with the F1 programe.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Mind you, I don't think the Veyron makes a profit either ...
TimR

The Veyron holds absolutely no appeal to me.

I see it as the kind of car that would be driven by a suntanned 50 something wearing almost white chinos and with a jersey draped over his shoulders.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

(hastily removes jersey from shoulders)

Guitar Zero

Veyron should win the acceleration dust up - wasn't the oft quoted stat originally that on a race to 200 mph, the Veyron could still win if you let the Mclaren reach 130 mph before punching the throttle on the Veyron

On a personal note - the Macca F1 is completely spoilt by the fact that it's the embodiment of a Gordon Murray wet dream. The fact that Gordon hates the Veyron and always moans about it makes me want one even more.

However - if you had the money to buy a Veyron - I would think you have enough left over for a Mclaren too. It's not a case of  " either, or " - just have both
PhilD

I won't spoil it for those who buy the mag but it seems the contest is made more even by high temperatures hindering the Veryons turbos.

It be happy with both GZ but have a soft spot for the F1 as I was a massively eager and excited kid as I followed the build up. For example, unlike today when all new cars are scooped (or leaked), no one had any idea what it would look like (Autocars artists impressions were laughably wide of the mark)

I also wrote to Mclaren telling them I was doing a school project on car design and could they help and they sent me loads of F1 stuff like a launch brochure and posters. I must dig those out, might be worth a few bob on Ebay!
Guitar Zero

I assume then from your comments that the F1 opened up a can of whoopity ass on the Veyron ?

I like the Mclaren because it has a proper gearbox and wringing out that V12 must be magic - but I don't like the look of it inside or out and I suspect a spazz like me would have binned it within a week ( no 4 wheel drive )
PhilD

DON'T READ THIS NEXT BIT IF YOU WANT THE MAG TO TELL YOU!













they don't bloody tell you! As it was filmed for the TV we have to wait and see, despite slapping it all over the front of the mag. The F1 driven by Stig got away quickest despite not being four wheel drive but we are told not to assume the outcome. Hammond is pilotting the Veryon and despite them not using launch control how hard can it be? Particulary for a man with his drag race experience  
Matt

The S71 engine of the McLaren with its airbox in place is a thing of wonder.

cbeaks1

It looks oddly like Johnny 5 from Short Circuit. Hopefully it doesn't sound the same.
Blarno

New series of TG, second episode. All will be revealed.
DaveGibson

Obviously, I realise that the F1 needed development but from the leaks during its gestation, I've always had the feeling that the Veyron is the result of fixing the problems (e.g. stick on some extra radiators to stop it overheating) discovered during the initial testing, whereas the F1 was more of a design which addressed such problems from the outset.
simonp

I love the Veyron for the simple fact that some VW boss (Piech, was it?) said "We will build a car with 1000bhp that will do 400kph" and then turned round to his engineers and said "Go on then, get to it!"
scamper

One of the Veyrons skirted into the travel trap on its way up the hill at Prescott.  We all winced as  nasty gravel was being flung up onto the bodywork
Apex clipper

Guitar Zero wrote:
wasn't the oft quoted stat originally that on a race to 200 mph, the Veyron could still win if you let the Mclaren reach 130 mph before punching the throttle on the Veyron



'Twas oft wrong'

The Veyrons fast...but it ain't that fast.
Gooner

the Veyron's gotta be the loser. The heat of Dubai will surely make it's turbos useless against the NA F1.
ALF

Eff One wrote:
For me the appeal of the Veyron is zero. Impressive, undoubtedly, but not remotely desirable. Crass, pig-ugly and bloated, in fact.


My feelings exactly. I'm not anti-supercar at all, but this one looks like a beetle (not the car sort).

Some of the latest Zondas - now that's a different story!
"him"

Gooner wrote:
the Veyron's gotta be the loser. The heat of Dubai will surely make it's turbos useless against the NA F1.

Did you catch the "preview section" of the TG episode last night where Hammond (the driver of the Veyron) was heard saying "That isn't supposed to happen..."  whether this is just more hype, or the F1 does indeed win (as I hope it does) will remain to be seen.  EDITED to actually make sense!  

Is it a standard F1, or an LM (I hope it is the latter), but as they were all orange as standard and the preview shots show a black? one, I doubt it.
Twelfth Monkey

Gooner wrote:
the Veyron's gotta be the loser. The heat of Dubai will surely make it's turbos useless against the NA F1.


My understanding is that the engine is supposed to produce a minimum of 1,000 PS, and that in ideal conditions it should be rather more.  Whilst I certainly don't 'love' the Veyron, if the F1 were to beat it in a straight line I'd suspect the result to be a contrivance.

It's interesting how many seem to want the Veyron to be beaten.  I can't pretend I don't understand the sentiment, but suspect it's not rational.  And like GZ, I reckon I'd bin an F1 inside a week.
Racing

Rodge wrote:

The F1 has soul ....


Ah now you see that's exactly what I've always thought it utterly lacked.

Not saying the Veyron's necessarily got soul (I'm not picking sides here) but the F1 always struck me as awesomely competent and thoroughly engineered but equally lacking in charisma or flair.
TimR

Racing wrote:


Not saying the Veyron's necessarily got soul (I'm not picking sides here) but the F1 always struck me as awesomely competent and thoroughly engineered but equally lacking in charisma or flair.


I remember that when the plan and price for the F1 was first revealed in the car mags I was fairly disappointed as my thoughts were along the lines of "any decent manufacturer could do it for that money".
I would always have been more impressed if they'd done something spectacular to compete with the 'more relevent' (relatively speaking) at that time V8 Ferraris/Honda NSX/Lotus Esprit.
"him"

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
And like GZ, I reckon I'd bin an F1 inside a week.

Have you seen Brundles Supercar DVD where he gets out of shape in one on a wet road?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0p0aGm4Gr4&feature=related

It is about 50 seconds in...

I wonder if the Stig, or the 'Schtig' will drive the F1?
TimR

TG had an F1 on the show years ago and Tiff (that's how long ago it was) managed to light up the rear tyres accelerating hard out of the chicane on, I think it was, Goodwood - probably in 3rd gear.
Twelfth Monkey

Mark, that's exactly what I mean.  I do not have those reflexes...
Eff One

Racing wrote:
Rodge wrote:

The F1 has soul ....


Ah now you see that's exactly what I've always thought it utterly lacked.

Not saying the Veyron's necessarily got soul (I'm not picking sides here) but the F1 always struck me as awesomely competent and thoroughly engineered but equally lacking in charisma or flair.


The F1 won at Le Mans and was made by the company that took Senna to three world titles. That's more than enough soul for me.
Guitar Zero

Given that the F1 has the capability to genuinely scare the crap out of someone like Brundle - what chance does even the tastiest of amateurs have ??

It's when you watch clips like the above that you realise that most hypercars are completely hopeless on UK roads. Aside from the fact that the attention it gets will drive you insane and that you can't really park it anywhere - it will be a complete none event to drive because you daren't go anywhere near the loud pedal, nor wang it through a few corners.

4 wheel drive will surely help, but I suspect the 922 lbs ft of the Veyron will go where it wants to, irrespective of the number of driven wheels.
Racing

Eff One wrote:
Racing wrote:
Rodge wrote:

The F1 has soul ....


Ah now you see that's exactly what I've always thought it utterly lacked.

Not saying the Veyron's necessarily got soul (I'm not picking sides here) but the F1 always struck me as awesomely competent and thoroughly engineered but equally lacking in charisma or flair.


The F1 won at Le Mans and was made by the company that took Senna to three world titles. That's more than enough soul for me.


Perhaps for you. In my eyes, that's just competence.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Racing wrote:
Eff One wrote:
The F1 won at Le Mans and was made by the company that took Senna to three world titles. That's more than enough soul for me.

Perhaps for you. In my eyes, that's just competence.

Exactly - you have to judge the car as a discrete entity, not on the history or image of its maker.
the other ct

Wasn’t the F1 criticised (by most hacks) for being a bit anodyne and soulless right up until the Veron knocked it off its perch?

Feeling towards the F1 has softened a lot since the plans for the Veron were announced.
ALF

As an object (I don't pretend I could begin to drive either even remotely properly) I don't think either has much soul. They are both willy-waving engineering exercises - one from a company that knows how to make lightweight racing cars, one from a company that knows how to hammer the laws of physics into submission with a big stick.

Money aside, I'd have a 288GTO, F40, or Zonda F or R over either. Easily. I saw an F40 driving along a slow urban dual carriageway once and it just exuded naughtiness - the styling, cut-open bodywork and visible engine, race car-like interior, noise - it had it all. The F1 looks nice, but nothing like as striking or functional. The Veyron looks like a bug.
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