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Humphrey The Pug

Vettel and Alonso to swap for next year?

A fair few rumours doing the rounds that Vettel and Alonso will be swapping next year with an official announcement this evening:

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/ve...nounced-by-ferrari-today-for-2015
gooner

Well one of them will be moving to win a championship next year but which one will be proven right? If this is such a great move for Alonso then it is an odd one for Vettel. Unless he wants to get Ferrari back to the glory days of the early noughties.
Humphrey The Pug

Seems the rumour mill is gathering pace and it sounds as though Alonso is a definate for McLaren next year and Vettel may be looking to go to Ferrari.
Big Blue

Any and every team wants Alonso as he has proven in a less than good Ferrari that he can deliver more than the car would be capable of by beating his team mate and other teams consistently.

Vettel needs to move teams and win a title with anyone else to get rid of the "car was better than the rest" tag that accompanies his 4 World titles (although his win in Italy in '08 pretty much put him on the map of greatness)

Interesting on McLaren as another section of the rumour mill has them retaining both JB and Kevin Mastermind-son and I reckon Honda might like the former to stay at all costs as he is Über-popular in Japan and has "marketable" pretty much stamped on his forehead.
Scouse

Big Blue wrote:
Any and every team wants Alonso as he has proven in a less than good Ferrari that he can deliver more than the car would be capable of by beating his team mate and other teams consistently.

Vettel needs to move teams and win a title with anyone else to get rid of the "car was better than the rest" tag that accompanies his 4 World titles (although his win in Italy in '08 pretty much put him on the map of greatness)

Interesting on McLaren as another section of the rumour mill has them retaining both JB and Kevin Mastermind-son and I reckon Honda might like the former to stay at all costs as he is Über-popular in Japan and has "marketable" pretty much stamped on his forehead.


Yup. I can see Magnuson being demoted to bring in 'Nando, but next season being JB's last with Honda wanting at least 1 season with him.
PhilD

Are Honda a supplier or will they own part of the team? They might want Button, but Mclaren more interested in winning.
gooner

PhilD wrote:
Are Honda a supplier or will they own part of the team? They might want Button, but Mclaren more interested in winning.


As far as I know they are primarily an engine supplier but perhaps at a subsidised rate in exchange for their presence being made quite conspicuously on the side of the car.
Humphrey The Pug

It seems that Ron Dennis may well be moved aside too, the general feeling is Alonso won't go unless Ron is no longer in charge, however it also appears that certain people aren't happy with the lack of big sponsorship that Ron has said that he would get when he took over from Whitmarsh, so that is being used a reason for him to leave his position.
Humphrey The Pug

Well that is Vettel confirmed as leaving a Red Bull next year, no confirmation as to where, however Ferrari seems likely.
Richard (ex-MB)

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Well that is Vettel confirmed as leaving a Red Bull next year, no confirmation as to where, however Ferrari seems likely.


This is the bit I find interesting. Normally the announcement of a big-name-driver leaving is immediately followed by an announcement about big-name-driver joining another team. At the time of typing neither Alonso or Vettel have stated where they are going next.

The possibilities are:

1. Alonso to McLaren and Vettel to Ferrari,
2. Alonso and Vettel to McLaren,
3. Rosberg or Hamilton to McLaren with Alonso or Vettel and the other to Mercedes,
4. Rosberg or Hamilton to Ferrari with Alonso or Vettel and the other to Mercedes,
5. Alonso to takeover Lotus with backers, Vettel to either McLaren or Ferrari,
6. Some other mixes or all those drivers that I have missed.

The there is the possibility that with Sauber, Caterham, Marussia and Lotus potentially closing their doors at the end of the year we will have 3 cars at Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Red Bull so.......
Humphrey The Pug

I believe that Horner dropped it into an interview that Vettel was Ferrari bound.
Giant

So the (very very strong) rumour this time last year was true.
PhilD

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
It seems that Ron Dennis may well be moved aside too, the general feeling is Alonso won't go unless Ron is no longer in charge, however it also appears that certain people aren't happy with the lack of big sponsorship that Ron has said that he would get when he took over from Whitmarsh, so that is being used a reason for him to leave his position.


Moved aside by who?
Humphrey The Pug

PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
It seems that Ron Dennis may well be moved aside too, the general feeling is Alonso won't go unless Ron is no longer in charge, however it also appears that certain people aren't happy with the lack of big sponsorship that Ron has said that he would get when he took over from Whitmarsh, so that is being used a reason for him to leave his position.


Moved aside by who?


I can't find where I read it however from memory I think it is the majority shareholders.
PhilD

I confess I've not seen much of this years races but can't remember seeing much of Ron. Is he doing a slightly different role to the one Whitmarsh did? If so maybe there is room to move a new "team principle/manager in". Ron and his mate own 50% so if he wants to stay where he is I'm sure he will.
Richard (ex-MB)

PhilD wrote:
Ron and his mate own 50% so if he wants to stay where he is I'm sure he will.


Probably but if McLaren have borrowed money from the Bahrainis (who own the other 50%) then they could threaten to call in their debt unless Ron stood down.

Unlikely though.

I don't think Ron is going anywhere at the moment.
gooner

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
It seems that Ron Dennis may well be moved aside too, the general feeling is Alonso won't go unless Ron is no longer in charge, however it also appears that certain people aren't happy with the lack of big sponsorship that Ron has said that he would get when he took over from Whitmarsh, so that is being used a reason for him to leave his position.


Moved aside by who?


I can't find where I read it however from memory I think it is the majority shareholders.


The rumour mill suggests Gerhard Berger will replace him.
Humphrey The Pug

gooner wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
It seems that Ron Dennis may well be moved aside too, the general feeling is Alonso won't go unless Ron is no longer in charge, however it also appears that certain people aren't happy with the lack of big sponsorship that Ron has said that he would get when he took over from Whitmarsh, so that is being used a reason for him to leave his position.


Moved aside by who?


I can't find where I read it however from memory I think it is the majority shareholders.


The rumour mill suggests Gerhard Berger will replace him.


Yep, I've read that aswell.
BeN

Infiniti made quite a big deal about Vettel being their 'performance car development expert', so it'll be a bit of a blow to their plans too.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Just makes me very sad that Ferrari never managed to give Alonso a title-winning car. And I can't help thinking of another favourite of mine, Jacky Ickx, who endured a few difficult years at Maranello then left just before they started winning.
gooner

BeN wrote:
Infiniti made quite a big deal about Vettel being their 'performance car development expert', so it'll be a bit of a blow to their plans too.


Yes, their UK sales will take a big hit when Vettel leaves.
Humphrey The Pug

gooner wrote:
BeN wrote:
Infiniti made quite a big deal about Vettel being their 'performance car development expert', so it'll be a bit of a blow to their plans too.


Yes, their UK sales will take a big hit when Vettel leaves.


Lol!

Interesting what Martin Brundle was saying about Alonso leaving and the timing of his announcement, he seems to think that he may have made a bit of a balls up and is on the back foot somewhat, particularly as there has been no announcement as to where Fred is off too; has he even signed for anyone yet?
Big Blue

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Just makes me very sad that Ferrari never managed to give Alonso a title-winning car. And I can't help thinking of another favourite of mine, Jacky Ickx, who endured a few difficult years at Maranello then left just before they started winning.


+1 on all counts.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

gooner wrote:
BeN wrote:
Infiniti made quite a big deal about Vettel being their 'performance car development expert', so it'll be a bit of a blow to their plans too.

Yes, their UK sales will take a big hit when Vettel leaves.

Twelfth Monkey

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Just makes me very sad that Ferrari never managed to give Alonso a title-winning car.


Yep, the closeness to two title battles was him, not the car.  I know every driver will have similar stories, but I can't help but wish that Grosjean had been incapacitated at Spa, was it 2012?  

I think Raikkonen was similarly unlucky during his time at McLaren, though clearly he hasn't gelled with the Ferrari at all.  I can't help but recall punditry suggesting that Raikkonen would 'hand Alonso his ass on a plate', which I thought improbable at the time.
BeN

gooner wrote:
BeN wrote:
Infiniti made quite a big deal about Vettel being their 'performance car development expert', so it'll be a bit of a blow to their plans too.


Yes, their UK sales will take a big hit when Vettel leaves.


Well, come on now. They almost had something good with that GTR-engined sedan thingy...

No, never mind. You're right.  
Twelfth Monkey

I find 'sedan' one of the most alien of words.
Frank Bullitt

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I find 'sedan' one of the most alien of words.


It does show how you can be divided by a common language.
Big Blue

Isn't a sedan some kind of horse drawn carriage? or one of those chairs that gets carried by two lackeys?
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Isn't a sedan some kind of horse drawn carriage? or one of those chairs that gets carried by two lackeys?


Yeah, much better to drive around in a drawing room.
Humphrey The Pug

Interesting read.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/alonso-leaves...
Twelfth Monkey

I agree with the quote from Armanius.  It also seems unlikely that he'd had enough after 2010 and stayed put for reasons unknown.
PhilD

"At the Suzuka Circuit Hotel on Friday evening, an excited Christian Horner went to Vettel’s room, as normal, a glint of mischief in his eye and carrying a bottle of Vettel's favourite Cristal champagne"
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

And it's written by Mark Hughes, who's not the most impartial when it comes to Alonso. I'd certainly take with a pinch of salt the idea that next year's Ferrari will be instantly competitive. I reckon they're a good two/three years away from that, and Alonso's at a stage in his career where he can't afford to wait. Perhaps he should go to Williams ...
Big Blue

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Perhaps he should go to Williams ...


Interestingly I was thinking that a Williams seat would be a good move for a top tier driver next year and Alonso would be bringing that Santander money with him.

It would be funny if Vettel goes to Mclaren
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
"At the Suzuka Circuit Hotel on Friday evening I passed my two good friends, an excited Christian Horner and Sebastian as they walked to Vettel’s room with, as normal, a glint of mischief in their eyes. How I laughed as they playfully told me to "fuck off out of the way" and hilariously pushed me into the wall. I always see the funny side of those two which you don't as I was there. And you weren't."


Dr. Hfuhruhurr

That's what I was thinking - Mercedes engines, that gorgeous Martini livery, big sponsor, top driver ... what's not to like? He could replace Felipe "help it's raining I want my mummy" Massa
Big Blue

How about German boy Vettel to Mercedes to make ein Deutsch weltmeister team with Britney; Hamilton to Williams to keep his contract with Mercedes alive, Alonso to Mclaren to make the new Honda engine look better than it is and Jenson to Ferrari to sell some stuff and occasionally drive a car.

Speaking of the Honda engine I nearly kicked the TV in on Saturday morning when Eddie "Cuffto" (cunt-faced-former-team-owner) Jordan suggested Honda couldn't develop a power supply that would be world class at first attempt. This is Honda the engine builder not Honda the failed F1 manufacturer. In motorcycling there is a place on the track called quite simply "the Honda lane", this being a place where only Hondas ride as they sail past the opposition on a mountain of torque nd power. In 2002 when motoGP factory teams switched to 4-strokes Honda won the title at a canter so clearly they don't know how to build a new powerplant....

I addition does Cuffto think they've not built and tested this engine to it's fourth or fifth iteration already this year? He really is a cunt!
Martin

In an interview with Brundle, Big Ron described the new Honda engine as 'a piece of jewellery' and well ahead of target performance for this stage of the development.  I'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case.

Jordan drives me mad...I only caught 2 mins of him talking about Bianchi and waffling on about him being brought up in Nice close to where a lot of the drivers live, which will make it harder for them to take etc.  

I like cuffto...perfect description!!
Big Blue

Martin wrote:
 

I like cuffto...perfect description!!


I might start a Twitter account and FBook page
Martin

Big Blue wrote:
Martin wrote:
 

I like cuffto...perfect description!!


I might start a Twitter account and FBook page


Let me know if you do!
Twelfth Monkey

Thought exactly the same as BB, and I having the feeling that Coulthard isn't a million miles away.  Jordan is a buffoon.
gooner

Big Blue wrote:
Isn't a sedan some kind of horse drawn carriage? or one of those chairs that gets carried by two lackeys?


Yes it is altogether better to refer to them as a Wild West drinking establishment.
gooner

Big Blue wrote:
How about German boy Vettel to Mercedes to make ein Deutsch weltmeister team with Britney; Hamilton to Williams to keep his contract with Mercedes alive, Alonso to Mclaren to make the new Honda engine look better than it is and Jenson to Ferrari to sell some stuff and occasionally drive a car.

I addition does Cuffto think they've not built and tested this engine to it's fourth or fifth iteration already this year? He really is a cunt!


It's interesting that there's been no announcement on Alonso team for next year. The Vettel announcement was meant to be due to Alonso going to McLaren but as yet there's not been any confirmation. Honda will be a strong engine partner next year, of that I've no doubt but maybe he's holding out for a Mercedes powered seat. Maybe the possible prospect of Lewis leaving Mercedes (surely a possibility of Nico beats him to the title) could be making him hold fire for now.
Big TC

I believe that Kvyat has been promoted to the full-fat Red Bull team. Which cuts off that particular avenue for Alonso.

I can't see Alonso gong to Williams, as they're still not back to their imperious best. Unless he thinks his presence will attract more big-money sponsors and tech guys from other teams?

Alonso at McLaren again? Maybe, but only if da-do-Ron-Ron steps down, I'd think. But then again, aren't Honda notoriously conservative and would probably want to avoid any controversy in their first year back.

It would appear that there is a vacancy at Torro Rosso....
Scouse

Big TC wrote:
I believe that Kvyat has been promoted to the full-fat Red Bull team. Which cuts off that particular avenue for Alonso.

I can't see Alonso gong to Williams, as they're still not back to their imperious best. Unless he thinks his presence will attract more big-money sponsors and tech guys from other teams?

Alonso at McLaren again? Maybe, but only if da-do-Ron-Ron steps down, I'd think. But then again, aren't Honda notoriously conservative and would probably want to avoid any controversy in their first year back.

It would appear that there is a vacancy at Torro Rosso....


Probably wouldn't be any worse than his Ferrari to be honest. If Kvyat & Vergne  can drag it into the top ten, I'm sure 'nando can do better.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Still does not seem to be any official news of Alonso leaving Ferrari, just that he has secured the ability to do so at the end of this season.  Vettel has announced that he won't be with RB next year so maybe Alonso goes to Red Bull and Vettel is without a drive for 2015?

It's not Williams's style to pay over-the-odds for a top driver, so I doubt that they would use money to lure Alonso or Vettel.  Anyway I thought that Massa and Bottas had been confirmed for 2015. It's going to be an interesting time when the announcements for 2015 drivers are made
Big Blue

Alonso doesn't get paid by any team he gets paid by sponsors. So if he goes to Williams some new headline sponsor will pay him.
Humphrey The Pug

Big Blue wrote:
Alonso doesn't get paid by any team he gets paid by sponsors. So if he goes to Williams some new headline sponsor will pay him.


Yep, he's the highest paid, pay driver out there.
PhilD

I may have bought into the Williams PR machinem but they do seem like a nice friendly bunch. So no place for Alonso!
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Big TC wrote:
I can't see Alonso gong to Williams, as they're still not back to their imperious best. Unless he thinks his presence will attract more big-money sponsors and tech guys from other teams?

That is what I think - he (and the sponsors and tech guys he might attract) could be the tipping point to bring Williams to the front of the grid. Which I would personally love to see.
Scouse

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Big TC wrote:
I can't see Alonso gong to Williams, as they're still not back to their imperious best. Unless he thinks his presence will attract more big-money sponsors and tech guys from other teams?

That is what I think - he (and the sponsors and tech guys he might attract) could be the tipping point to bring Williams to the front of the grid. Which I would personally love to see.


Could well be. Red Bull have lost Newey, and Ferrari & McLaren are still re-structuring. A settled Williams team with a goodly heaping of cash could well be the way to go.
BeN

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I find 'sedan' one of the most alien of words.


It does show how you can be divided by a common language.


I thought sedan was British and saloon American? Or am I wrong?
Twelfth Monkey

I think it's the other way around!
Humphrey The Pug

BeN wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I find 'sedan' one of the most alien of words.


It does show how you can be divided by a common language.


I thought sedan was British and saloon American? Or am I wrong?


Us English do not use the word, sedan.
BeN

Bugger!
Martin

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Us English do not use the word, sedan.


Not since the demise of the Sedan Chair....
Chris M Wanted a V-10

... or parents telling their kids to "sedan and shurrup"
Martin

There's a rumour going round that Hamilton has signed for McLaren, leaving a spot at Mercedes open for Alonso.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
There's a rumour going round that Hamilton has signed for McLaren, leaving a spot at Mercedes open for Alonso.


Prodigal son returns!
Giant

Martin wrote:
There's a rumour going round that Hamilton has signed for McLaren, leaving a spot at Mercedes open for Alonso.


Can't see any logic in that at all.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Can't see Hamilton going back to McLaren whilst they continue to make such poor racing cars with no guarantee of success in the near future
Humphrey The Pug

There is another rumour doing the rounds that Rosberg is out of Mercedes, with Alonso going there.

I wish that something is announced soon, something is obviously happening, or has happened, why all the secret squirrel stuff, it's getting ridiculous?
Big Blue

Maldonado to Ferrari? Chilton in a McLaren? Michael Schumacher returns to Mercedes with hand controls? Who knows. The only certainty is that Kimi Raikkonen will be in a BAR.

The reason for all the rumour and secrecy is simply that this season has seen one car dominate so much that F1 needs to keep fans and media interested in some other fashion. The Lewis v Nico stuff is great but if one was in a different car it would have added interest.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
why all the secret squirrel stuff, it's getting ridiculous?

It makes for good news stories and keeps F1 in the racing spotlight
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Giant wrote:
Martin wrote:
There's a rumour going round that Hamilton has signed for McLaren, leaving a spot at Mercedes open for Alonso.

Can't see any logic in that at all.

I'm sure Alonso will think it's a good idea!
Richard (ex-MB)

Autosport think that Alonso was trying to engineer a seat swap with Hamilton for next season. Mercedes is where Alonso actually wants to go but may have to settle for McLaren. Alternatively he can take a sabbatical next year and join Mercedes in 2016.

It is possible that we won't find out where Vettel and Alonso are going until we know for definite that either Rosberg or Hamilton is leaving Mercedes (or that both are staying).

In theory both of them are staying as they have contracts for next year but so did Vettel and Alonso...
Humphrey The Pug

I think if Alonso takes a sabbatical we won't see him back, there are younger established drivers out there; Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel etc and younger, cheaper drivers who are all pretty handy, Kvyat (sp?), Ricciardo, Bottas, Hulkenberg etc.

I think he will become surplus to requirements and he's unlikely to be cheap.

I have the feeling that whatever Alonso has had planned, hasn't actually gone to plan.
Giant

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I think if Alonso takes a sabbatical we won't see him back, there are younger established drivers out there; Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel etc and younger, cheaper drivers who are all pretty handy, Kvyat (sp?), Ricciardo, Bottas, Hulkenberg etc.

I think he will become surplus to requirements and he's unlikely to be cheap.

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Alonso doesn't get paid by any team he gets paid by sponsors. So if he goes to Williams some new headline sponsor will pay him.


Yep, he's the highest paid, pay driver out there.
Humphrey The Pug

No

Giant wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I think if Alonso takes a sabbatical we won't see him back, there are younger established drivers out there; Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel etc and younger, cheaper drivers who are all pretty handy, Kvyat (sp?), Ricciardo, Bottas, Hulkenberg etc.

I think he will become surplus to requirements and he's unlikely to be cheap.

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Alonso doesn't get paid by any team he gets paid by sponsors. So if he goes to Williams some new headline sponsor will pay him.


Yep, he's the highest paid, pay driver out there.


Rumours of Santander not wanting to pay as much in sponsorship or possibly even pulling out though, as the old man is dead and the daughter isn't big on the massive Motorsport sponsorship and associated costs.
Big Blue

There's always Telefonica.
Alf McQueef

This was being presented as a straight Alonso > McLaren, Vettel > Ferrari, move until Sunday. Hard to say if the accident has stopped the communications, or something has gone wrong.

As a McLaren supporter I would very much like to see Alonso back, he may have acted like a 14 year old girl last time but his ability to test drive to support development, and wring time out of the car, are totally proven and I rate him as the top driver in F1 - even if Hamilton and Vettel are possibly quicker in a good car.

I hope Button stays - like others on here I think the Japanese sponsor angle may save him...
PhilD

I don't understand how Alonso can just waltz back into the McLaren team after he was instrumental in Spygate, the possible banning, and the £100m fine.
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
I don't understand how Alonso can just waltz back into the McLaren team after he was instrumental in Spygate, the possible banning, and the £100m fine.


Same way Jeffrey Archer remains in the public eye, Tony Blair heads up some Arab / islamic forum, various Chief Execs get appointed as new Chief Execs after the previous business they led failed....


...it's becasue we are mere normal people that understand that integrity and ethics play a part of our lives. Successful people are just a bunch of lizards.
Alf McQueef

Its as simple as:

McLaren need a top driver and tester/developer to satisfy their new engine partner and win top sponsors.

Alonso is unhappy at Ferrari and is therefore available.

He ratted on them for spygate and acted like a teenager over Hamilton matching his pace all season, but if McLaren had actually cheated and all he did was tell the truth, is that so bad? For sure, I would not take him back, especially if there is a the rumoured clause to remove Ron Dennis as well, as that is just more pettiness - but its big business and if he brings shit loads of sponsors money and keeps Honda happy, then they'll take it.

The engine thing is a big risk - McLaren already have the best engine by far, a proven package, and yet have done woefully with it. It seems unlikely Honda will be better and/or more reliable. We shall see. It makes absolute sense for them to try - they need a reputation as a turbocharger company...
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PhilD wrote:
I don't understand how Alonso can just waltz back into the McLaren team after he was instrumental in Spygate, the possible banning, and the £100m fine.

Almost all that matters is a top driver who can win, especially in an underperforming car that he can "out-drive".
I thought that Ron still had a significant shareholding at McLaren so would be highly unlikely to step down - he's only just won the battle to oust Martin Whitmarsh who he brought in to train as his successor! If he were that disinterested, he wouldn't have come back and would have left MW to it, but I don't think he knows how to relax or switch off from F1
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
PhilD wrote:
I don't understand how Alonso can just waltz back into the McLaren team after he was instrumental in Spygate, the possible banning, and the £100m fine.


Almost all that matters is a top driver who can win, especially in an underperforming car that he can "out-drive".


Yes, thats pretty obvious, but doesn't answer my question! There are many, many, factors contributing to a "win" and for me all the employees pulling in the same direction led by a committed and inspiring senior management team is a big one. Alonso will stir too many emotions and memories for me.
Alf McQueef

So..., Button qualifies 4th in the dry but looks totally disinterested afterwards - does this tell us anything about line ups for next year? If so what has Magnussson ever done to earn the place over him? Even an incoming star driver must view Button as less likely to punt him off in a pubescent rage?...
Humphrey The Pug

Hoiking Button out of McLaren instead of Magnussen would be a travesty.

I'm hearing that Alonso only wants a 1 year contract and Big Ron isnt so keen, plus his wage demands are quite high.
PhilD

Alf McQueef wrote:
So..., Button qualifies 4th in the dry but looks totally disinterested afterwards - does this tell us anything about line ups for next year?


Didn't watch the interview but read the comments on the BBC website and thought the same. His actual words were ok, so was it all body language?

Having seen the piece on Magnusson shown during yesterdays qualifying I'd be happy to see him stay. Button can move to the BBC!
Tim

Maybe Button was just downbeat because of the whole Bianchi thing?
simonp

http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/10/15/alonsos-options-for-2015/
gooner

simonp wrote:
http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/10/15/alonsos-options-for-2015/


Tim

simonp wrote:
http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/10/15/alonsos-options-for-2015/


That looks scarily like Nigel Mansell.
simonp

He's grown the tache again now...
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news...alonso-rumored-to-be-in-the-works
Big TC

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news...alonso-rumored-to-be-in-the-works


That's an interesting article and seems very believable - almost obvious! I've always wondered how long it would be before Audi decided to compete in F1 - Alonso in an Audi-powered Red Bull from 2016 does seem to be a 'good fit' for all concerned.

With regard to manufacturers joining Merc, Honda, Renault and Ferrari, I can see others coming in as engine suppliers. Seeing as engine technology with energy-recovery and hybrid aspects is mirrored in racing and road technology these days.
BeN

Now we just need BMW to buy Sauber once more...
Big TC

...and look at how many hybrid versions of their cars that Toyota make.
JohnC

Big TC wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news...alonso-rumored-to-be-in-the-works


That's an interesting article and seems very believable - almost obvious! I've always wondered how long it would be before Audi decided to compete in F1 - Alonso in an Audi-powered Red Bull from 2016 does seem to be a 'good fit' for all concerned.

With regard to manufacturers joining Merc, Honda, Renault and Ferrari, I can see others coming in as engine suppliers. Seeing as engine technology with energy-recovery and hybrid aspects is mirrored in racing and road technology these days.


Audi made a statement about a year or so ago when they said they had no intention of entering F1 and felt that the LeMans series gave them better and more appropriate coverage. That probably means the complete opposite!
gooner

JohnC wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news...alonso-rumored-to-be-in-the-works


That's an interesting article and seems very believable - almost obvious! I've always wondered how long it would be before Audi decided to compete in F1 - Alonso in an Audi-powered Red Bull from 2016 does seem to be a 'good fit' for all concerned.

With regard to manufacturers joining Merc, Honda, Renault and Ferrari, I can see others coming in as engine suppliers. Seeing as engine technology with energy-recovery and hybrid aspects is mirrored in racing and road technology these days.


Audi made a statement about a year or so ago when they said they had no intention of entering F1 and felt that the LeMans series gave them better and more appropriate coverage. That probably means the complete opposite!


Interesting argument as to whether they are right or not. There's no doubt that F1 gets television viewing figures that are off the scale compared to Le Mans, but would Audi really get much coverage by being an engine supplier to Red Bull compared to the media coverage they get by winning Le Mans with a works team? If they are really to make the most of the jump to F1 they need a factory team like Mercedes. With Caterham and Murrusia looking doomed, they could buy an existing team rather than just being an engine supplier.

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