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Michael

Vauxhall GT Concept



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...-unveiled-ahead-geneva-show-debut
Twelfth Monkey

Some fairly bad angles from which to view it, but two or three where it really works. †Be fun sourcing red tyres...
Bob Sacamano

Good effort. Spiritual successor to the Opel Manta?
Giant

Nice to see an out-there concept for a change rather than a overwheeled preproduction preview model.

Looks great, I see a fair bit of Bangle bmw concepts in it.
PhilD

It will be good when they finish it.
Big Blue

It's great. Fabulous. Exponentially desirable.

It'll never exist.
Roadsterstu

Some really nice detailing on that. Like.
PG

I like that a lot. But the fact that it is RWD almost seems to mean that it will never get made. But as they managed to make a FWD Calibra a decent steer and a good looker, they should be able to make a FWD version of this with ease. I still se Tigras about, so this would sell by the bucketload.

And they need to  do it. A relevant halo car.
Frank Bullitt

There's lots to like about that, a new Calibra/ Manta has surely got a future.
Racing Teatray

Lose the weirdo red bits and that's jolly nice.
cbeaks1

Amazed to see there are 21000 Tigras left according to howmanyleft.

As I was in there sad to say on 400 odd Carltons still in the road. 187000 20 years ago.

As for the GT it looks good, but to me it is a small version of a Z4/Z8. I don't really get the point of the red bits and Windows though.
Twelfth Monkey

I didn't know that site.  87.6% of the B7 RS4s are still taxed as on the road, apparently.

Speaking of Carltons, 88 of 223 Lotus variants still out there.
BeN

That looks awesome.

They won't build it of course, but still.
Nelson

that's got a lot of potential, points the way to future design even if this won't ever see production. I actually like the red design on the bodywork at least, it emphasises the curves and I think that was the manufacturers intention too to divert your eyes
DetmoldDick

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Good effort. Spiritual successor to the Opel Manta?


More like spiritual successor to the Opel GT
Grampa

Now that's the way to do a modern incarnation of an iconic car - shouts Opel GT with the proportions and general sweep of the lines yet doesn't look retro in anyway.
Tim

The view at the top of this thread just looks like a mild concept of the Z4 with BMWs concept nose on it - no discernible bumper.
Grampa

Tim wrote:
The view at the top of this thread just looks like a mild concept of the Z4 with BMWs concept nose on it - no discernible bumper.


If you can see that in it, shouldn't it be more, "The Z4 concept looks just like the Opel GT" ?
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I didn't know that site. †87.6% of the B7 RS4s are still taxed as on the road, apparently.

Saw an ad in one of the classic car mags recently, for an RS4 with 2000 miles. They wanted 45999 for it.
Twelfth Monkey

The ads in the back of evo are similar, I think.  Relatively common or garden stuff that's a few years old with low mileage, at or close to list.  Must be enough mugs in the world to keep them going.
Tim

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The ads in the back of evo are similar, I think. †Relatively common or garden stuff that's a few years old with low mileage, at or close to list. †Must be enough mugs in the world to keep them going.


Yup, low mileage seems to be the key.

So you're faced with the choice of buying one at what may be the top of the market but you can't drive it for fear of screwing the value OR buying it in the knowledge it's little used and will probably throw up a lot of problems on the back of that while you could've actually saved a load of cash and bought one that will actually behave itself if you use it.
PhilD

Tim wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The ads in the back of evo are similar, I think. †Relatively common or garden stuff that's a few years old with low mileage, at or close to list. †Must be enough mugs in the world to keep them going.


Yup, low mileage seems to be the key.

So you're faced with the choice of buying one at what may be the top of the market but you can't drive it for fear of screwing the value OR buying it in the knowledge it's little used and will probably throw up a lot of problems on the back of that while you could've actually saved a load of cash and bought one that will actually behave itself if you use it.


Like what? If I was planning to add 50k to a car in 3 years which of these three would be my best bet for the least amount of grief?

-10 year old one with 5k on
-10 year old with 50k
-2 year old with 50k
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

PhilD wrote:
If I was planning to add 50k to a car in 3 years which of these three would be my best bet for the least amount of grief?

-10 year old one with 5k on
-10 year old with 50k
-2 year old with 50k


Probably the two-year old one. Followed by the ten-year old with average mileage. Any car that's done only 5k in ten years will inevitably have spent a lot of time time unused, and unless it's been stored by a professional car storage firm, that could cause problems.
Twelfth Monkey

True, but a lot of this isn't stuff you'd expect a profit on, let alone £50k.  A Q7 that's a few years old but low mileage for mid to high forties?  Only going one way, hopefully under cover of darkness.
Tim

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
If I was planning to add 50k to a car in 3 years which of these three would be my best bet for the least amount of grief?

-10 year old one with 5k on
-10 year old with 50k
-2 year old with 50k


Probably the two-year old one. Followed by the ten-year old with average mileage. Any car that's done only 5k in ten years will inevitably have spent a lot of time time unused, and unless it's been stored by a professional car storage firm, that could cause problems.


Agreed
From reading things like Octane all the specialists seem to agree that regular use is the best bet for keeping the car in decent order.
It's things like hoses and belts that probably give the initial concern but really if you're not starting the engine and driving the car around the fluids won't circulate and protect everything.

I once left the M5 for about 3 months between 'uses' and the clatter from the top end for the first few seconds was awful - until the oil circulated properly.
It probably caused more wear in those seconds than a year of regular, spirited driving.
Grampa

PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The ads in the back of evo are similar, I think. †Relatively common or garden stuff that's a few years old with low mileage, at or close to list. †Must be enough mugs in the world to keep them going.


Yup, low mileage seems to be the key.

So you're faced with the choice of buying one at what may be the top of the market but you can't drive it for fear of screwing the value OR buying it in the knowledge it's little used and will probably throw up a lot of problems on the back of that while you could've actually saved a load of cash and bought one that will actually behave itself if you use it.


Like what? If I was planning to add 50k to a car in 3 years which of these three would be my best bet for the least amount of grief?


-10 year old one with 5k on
-10 year old with 50k
-2 year old with 50k


If lack of grief is the only criteria, the 2 yr old one. If value for money comes into it as well, the 10yr/50k one.

There was a X Reg Cortina on eBay the other day with only 10,000 miles recorded - it did look very well cared for though so it may well be OK, but it's never going to be as hassle free as if it were a 1 year old car with 10k.

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