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Twelfth Monkey

Toys out of the pram?

After years where the rulemakers seem to have bent over backwards to accommodate Red Bull, this seems rather petulant to me:

http://www.pitpass.com/51144/Mateschitz-fires-warning-salvo
Big Blue

He's a dick-head; his management team / hangers-on are dickheads and his drink is shite. Perhaps someone should ask him how many different names that team in MK has had in the last 15-20 years (Stewart-Ford / Jaguar) and then how many names Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber or Williams have had in the same period to see if it is the team he dreams it is.

The sooner they fuck off the better.
Clunes

Rather than sit on the fence like BB I'm going to say what I really feel!  

Agree he is being petulant and this grandstanding isn't going to work or go down well with anyone. Ferrari spent years being critised (arguably rightly) for being too influential in F1 and bending the rules in their favor and this sounds like the very same.

I can understand their argument and I have no particular reason to mistrust their (RBs) own sensor data BUT they could and should have followed the correct procedure but instead they felt they were above 'the law'.

I have little sympathy for them though do have great deal of sympathy for Daniel Ricciardo who drove a great race and deserved a good result.
PhilD

Was this is a press release saying “ we will quite if we don’t get X, Y & Z” or a response to a question?

Here’s your answer:

"Asked under what circumstances he might leave F1"

There is  a story here, but it’s not the one the headline suggests.
Martin

Load of waffle and a non story imo.

What really pisses me off about Red Bull (in addition to some of the points above), is the Austrian national anthem being played when they win.
simonp

Nothing new here. I recall several teams doing the same when there was a proposed budget cap a few years ago. It soon got shelved when the (then) current FIA favourites Ferrari threatened to flounce off.
simonp

http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/03/24...ll-apologises-for-mark-spec-part/
Scouse

simonp wrote:
http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/03/24...ll-apologises-for-mark-spec-part/


 
Nice Guy Eddie

Just the usual F1 power struggle and Masserwhatshisname thinking he is due more influence then he currently receives. Supporting 2 F1 teams , he probably does.

All the drivers were having to drive to a specific lap time as the FIA had spoken to McLaren and Williams about fuel usage early in the race. If Riccardo had been slowed down he would have apparently finished 5th which would have been quite a result for them given pre season testing.
Scouse

As much as I like Red Bull getting their eye wiped (even if Ricciardo didn't deserve it), isn't it a bit of a farce that as well as the FIA saying you can only use this amount of fuel during the race, but that they can also say you can only use it at this rate during the race even if you subsequently have enough in the tank at the end?
Big Blue

Scouse wrote:
isn't it a bit of a farce that as well as the FIA saying you can only use this amount of fuel during the race, but that they can also say you can only use it at this rate during the race even if you subsequently have enough in the tank at the end?


Yes this level of control is just plain daft but I'm guessing it is designed to stop a super efficient car (great handling, downforce etc.) from turning on the power early on and driving off up the road when fresh out of the paddock and in good condition then turning the power down and letting the rest of the field try to catch up in their lesser cars as they get more and more shagged as the race goes on.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Scouse wrote:
isn't it a bit of a farce that as well as the FIA saying you can only use this amount of fuel during the race, but that they can also say you can only use it at this rate during the race even if you subsequently have enough in the tank at the end?


Yes this level of control is just plain daft but I'm guessing it is designed to stop a super efficient car (great handling, downforce etc.) from turning on the power early on and driving off up the road when fresh out of the paddock and in good condition then turning the power down and letting the rest of the field try to catch up in their lesser cars as they get more and more shagged as the race goes on.


and this is a bad thing because?!
PG

simonp wrote:
http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/03/24...ll-apologises-for-mark-spec-part/


So very true....  
gooner

Agree that the situation is not helped by the FIAs over regulation of fuel use. A set amount of fuel per race is fine but it should be up to the teams to manage their consumption and if they run out because they drove too fast and ran out thats their look out.
simonp

Exactly. They're only allowed 100 kg of fuel, so if they use it at 100 kg/hr then their car will only go around in a circle for 1 hour before running out, so why put a limit on the flow? Let the teams use fuel how they wish and if it runs out 10 laps from the end of the race that's tough shit!
Big Blue

Not just F1

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/201...ins%20Nakagami%20disqualification
Considering this was a week after the Aus F1 race the FIM court acted a feck sight faster that the FIA court!:

"Webb also commented that the matter had arisen from an error on behalf of IDEMITSU Honda Team Asia, saying, “It was a simple mistake. They fitted a part onto the bike which was not the same specification as the part that the rule book says you must use. They misunderstood they way it was written and they thought the other part would be allowed. It was a misunderstanding but unfortunately the part they used was against the regulations.”

The Race Director then also detailed the post-control process for decision making and the right to appeal by the team. He concluded, “Regarding the system for the decision, the team appealed against the decision as they didn’t agree with the Race Direction decision of course, so they had the right to appeal to the FIM. Then the FIM separately hears the same case, to see if they agree and whether they uphold the decision or not. They (FIM) announced that they upheld the Race Direction decision, so our decision stands and the race result has been changed.”
JohnC

simonp wrote:
Exactly. They're only allowed 100 kg of fuel, so if they use it at 100 kg/hr then their car will only go around in a circle for 1 hour before running out, so why put a limit on the flow? Let the teams use fuel how they wish and if it runs out 10 laps from the end of the race that's tough shit!


If they want to inject a bit more excitement into F1, this could be it. The fuel flow meters are just a meaningless complication.
simonp

You'd get more overtaking because some would use the tactic of shooting off and then having to save fuel later whilst others would save fuel first and then carve through the field near the end using the petrol they'd conserved earlier. Max Chilton might get in the points!
Tim

I think the final couple of years of the original turbo era had limited fuel but no other restriction and it was up to the drivers to do their best.
The only problem was that someone like Prost would follow the leader, saving fuel, then turn the wick up near the end and nip past so it didn't really promote overtaking.
Big Blue

simonp wrote:
You'd get more overtaking because some would use the tactic of shooting off and then having to save fuel later whilst others would save fuel first and then carve through the field near the end using the petrol they'd conserved earlier. Max Chilton might get in the points!


That was looking like a sensible idea and then you go and write that!

simonp

I thought that, too, but left it in for giggles.
simonp

http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/04/25/vettel-not-playing-says-mum/
Scouse

     
simonp

http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/05/08/vettel-gets-new-chassis-for-spain/

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